Trump wants to drop illegal aliens from US census count

All of them. As for Trump's properties. I doubt that income from them is coming from illegal aliens paying to stay at one or do whatever it is you do at one. I doubt many have that kind of cash lying about.

*sigh* It is true that one can lead a MAGAT to facts, but one cannot make him think.

Why do you think Trump exempted his own properties (the hospitality sector) from ICE goon round-ups? Who do you think manicures the fairways, changes the linens, makes the room service food, does the laundry, cares for the grounds, does the janitorial work?

Think MAGAT think! lol

Why don't you want to go after those who employ the undocumented? Employers like the Trumps?
 
*sigh* It is true that one can lead a MAGAT to facts, but one cannot make him think.

Why do you think Trump exempted his own properties (the hospitality sector) from ICE goon round-ups? Who do you think manicures the fairways, changes the linens, makes the room service food, does the laundry, cares for the grounds, does the janitorial work?

Think MAGAT think! lol

Why don't you want to go after those who employ the undocumented? Employers like the Trumps?
None of that is true. Any of it.
 
Can't without a constitutional amenement.
Bullshit! I explained, in some detail, how. As non-citizens they get counted as non-citizens. They are then NOT used for apportionment of funds or seats in Congress as they are foreigners. They are the same as "Indians not taxed." That's how the mass of several million POW's in the US in WW 2 were counted as an example.

That doesn't require a constitutional amendment.
 
*sigh* It is true that one can lead a MAGAT to facts, but one cannot make him think.

Why do you think Trump exempted his own properties (the hospitality sector) from ICE goon round-ups? Who do you think manicures the fairways, changes the linens, makes the room service food, does the laundry, cares for the grounds, does the janitorial work?

Think MAGAT think! lol

Why don't you want to go after those who employ the undocumented? Employers like the Trumps?
I exempted no such thing. I get that you probably reason like some Leftist woman does about Lindsay Clancey and are detached from reality, but that's your problem.
 
*sigh* It is true that one can lead a MAGAT to facts, but one cannot make him think.

Why do you think Trump exempted his own properties (the hospitality sector) from ICE goon round-ups? Who do you think manicures the fairways, changes the linens, makes the room service food, does the laundry, cares for the grounds, does the janitorial work?

Think MAGAT think! lol

Why don't you want to go after those who employ the undocumented? Employers like the Trumps?
ICE does. For example:



In those raids, one radical Leftist congress critter got nuked for helping protesters fight ICE over the arrests.
 
Bullshit! I explained, in some detail, how. As non-citizens they get counted as non-citizens. They are then NOT used for apportionment of funds or seats in Congress as they are foreigners. They are the same as "Indians not taxed." That's how the mass of several million POW's in the US in WW 2 were counted as an example.

That doesn't require a constitutional amendment.
Still takes a constitutional amendment.
 
The Commerce Department/Census Bureau notice (Federal Register, Sept. 9–10, 2026) would change the “usual residence” criteria so that only U.S. citizens and lawful permanent residents (green-card holders) count toward the numbers used to apportion House seats and Electoral College votes after the 2030 census.

Undocumented immigrants, people on temporary visas, refugees, asylum seekers, and others without LPR status would be excluded because they are not “true inhabitants” with sufficient “tie and allegiance.”

The same package also proposes dropping race/ethnicity questions. It is a proposed rule open for comment, not yet final.

Separately, the census can still ask about citizenship and the government can use administrative records for other purposes.

The proposed rule explicitly contemplates matching census responses and addresses against administrative records from DHS, Treasury, HHS, Defense, USPS, and others.
 
No, it doesn't and you are simply plain flat wrong here.

Yes, it would, and no, he's not.


Under the Constitution’s text, original meaning, and 230+ years of practice, excluding people from the apportionment count solely because they lack legal status or a green card is almost certainly unconstitutional.


The proposal would need a constitutional amendment, not an agency rule.


The relevant clauses are Article I, Section 2 and the 14th Amendment, Section 2. Both require apportionment of House seats based on “the whole number of persons in each State,” excluding only “Indians not taxed.”


The word chosen was “persons,” not “citizens,” “voters,” or “lawful residents.”


The 14th Amendment’s framers considered and rejected limiting the count to citizens. Representative John Bingham stated during the debates that “the entire immigrant population of this country is included in the basis of representation.”


Why the constitutional arguments against it are strong​


  • Text is broad. “Persons” was a capacious term at the Founding and in 1868. The only explicit exclusion is “Indians not taxed.” If the Framers meant to exclude foreigners or people lacking allegiance, they would not have needed that carve-out.
  • Historical practice is uniform. Every census since 1790 has counted residents regardless of citizenship or legal status. Temporary visitors and diplomats have sometimes been treated differently as a practical matter of “usual residence,” but legal status itself has never been the cutoff for people living in the country. The Census Bureau and Department of Justice under both parties have long taken this view.
  • Supreme Court signals. In Evenwel v. Abbott (2016) the Court held that total population—including non-citizens—is the constitutional baseline for apportionment; representatives serve all residents, not just eligible voters. In Plyler v. Doe undocumented immigrants were held to be “persons” within a state’s jurisdiction. In 2020 (Trump v. New York) the Court dismissed a challenge to the first-term memo on ripeness grounds and did not reach the merits; the three liberal justices would have struck it down as unlawful. Lower courts that did reach the merits found the memo violated both the Constitution and the Census Act.
  • Congressional Research Service and prior executive-branch opinions have concluded that excluding unauthorized aliens from the apportionment base would require a constitutional amendment. Congress has repeatedly considered such bills and they have not become law.

The administration’s counter-argument—that the Executive has discretion under Franklin v. Massachusetts to define “inhabitant” and that illegal presence severs allegiance—has been advanced before and rejected by most constitutional scholars and prior administrations. It treats a policy preference as an interpretation of “persons.”
 
Yes, it would, and no, he's not.


Under the Constitution’s text, original meaning, and 230+ years of practice, excluding people from the apportionment count solely because they lack legal status or a green card is almost certainly unconstitutional.


The proposal would need a constitutional amendment, not an agency rule.


The relevant clauses are Article I, Section 2 and the 14th Amendment, Section 2. Both require apportionment of House seats based on “the whole number of persons in each State,” excluding only “Indians not taxed.”


The word chosen was “persons,” not “citizens,” “voters,” or “lawful residents.”


The 14th Amendment’s framers considered and rejected limiting the count to citizens. Representative John Bingham stated during the debates that “the entire immigrant population of this country is included in the basis of representation.”


Why the constitutional arguments against it are strong​


  • Text is broad. “Persons” was a capacious term at the Founding and in 1868. The only explicit exclusion is “Indians not taxed.” If the Framers meant to exclude foreigners or people lacking allegiance, they would not have needed that carve-out.
  • Historical practice is uniform. Every census since 1790 has counted residents regardless of citizenship or legal status. Temporary visitors and diplomats have sometimes been treated differently as a practical matter of “usual residence,” but legal status itself has never been the cutoff for people living in the country. The Census Bureau and Department of Justice under both parties have long taken this view.
  • Supreme Court signals. In Evenwel v. Abbott (2016) the Court held that total population—including non-citizens—is the constitutional baseline for apportionment; representatives serve all residents, not just eligible voters. In Plyler v. Doe undocumented immigrants were held to be “persons” within a state’s jurisdiction. In 2020 (Trump v. New York) the Court dismissed a challenge to the first-term memo on ripeness grounds and did not reach the merits; the three liberal justices would have struck it down as unlawful. Lower courts that did reach the merits found the memo violated both the Constitution and the Census Act.
  • Congressional Research Service and prior executive-branch opinions have concluded that excluding unauthorized aliens from the apportionment base would require a constitutional amendment. Congress has repeatedly considered such bills and they have not become law.

The administration’s counter-argument—that the Executive has discretion under Franklin v. Massachusetts to define “inhabitant” and that illegal presence severs allegiance—has been advanced before and rejected by most constitutional scholars and prior administrations. It treats a policy preference as an interpretation of “persons.”
As I've pointed out, you count them--as illegally here / non-citizens. There is nothing to preclude that. They've been counted as the constitution requires.

You then do not use them for apportionment purposes which the constitution doesn't speak to directly. That is, they're counted but their presence gives no benefit to them or the state they are in. They are foreign nationals and not entitled to political representation--since they cannot vote either--or government benefits of any kind.

If they refuse to be counted, then that brings the exact same end here. If they lie on the census form, that's just one more crime to add to their rap sheet.
 
I exempted no such thing. I get that you probably reason like some Leftist woman does about Lindsay Clancey and are detached from reality, but that's your problem.

I've said at least three times now that TRUMP exempted undocumented workers from round-up by ICE that work in the hospitality sector. He also exempted food processing/packing plant undocumented employees.

Again, why isn't Reichwing focus on rounding up those who illegally employ undocumented workers? If employing them is illegal? If their presence in the U.S. is illegal, why does your #MalignantMessiah exempt certain workers but not others? Why are you trying to deflect from these important questions with a totally non-related criminal case?

It's too bad that reading comprehension escapes you. You're probably way too old to fix that. lol
 
They are illegals. They don't belong here.
Yet Trump himself has exempted those who work in the hospitality sector (i.e. HIS main source of income) and those who work in food processing plants from being arrested and deported.

Why's that? Are you okay with that?
 

What do you think about that?

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Doesn't matter. If they are not in jail or prison, they are considered "free" and therefor to be counted in the census under the Constitution. Remember that document? You MAGATs scream bloody murder when a (D) POTUS proposes to allegedly violates it, yet turn a blind eye when your #CorruptCaligula actually DOES.

But don't worry, RB. The vast majority of undocumented persons do not return the census forms; they live in the shadows and don't want to be fingered by Trump's ICE goons. So they don't register to vote, they don't apply for social security cards, they don't get "welfare" or food stamps
Immigrants are dirty these days in the FOX universe and we should not count dirt, is what it all boils down to.
 
Write a letter to your Gropingfuehrer and let him know how you feel.

He already knows.
It's people like you who chastise those who are enforcing the law. Why do you support lawbreakers?

Oh, and how many illegals have you stepped up to house, feed and medicate?
 
Immigrants are dirty these days in the FOX universe and we should not count dirt, is what it all boils down to.

Yep. It doesn't matter really what race they are or where they come from. Certain people are going to hate them simply because they were here first. We saw plenty of that in the 1800s and 1900s with subsequent waves of immigrants from various European countries. "No Irish need apply" "Room for let, no Polish," etc.

Fox exists to fan the flames of xenophobia, fear, hate.
 
He already knows.
It's people like you who chastise those who are enforcing the law. Why do you support lawbreakers?

Oh, and how many illegals have you stepped up to house, feed and medicate?

About the same number of babies you've adopted who otherwise would be aborted.

Your deflection from Trump's hypocrisy and self-preservation is noted. Thanks for admitting that you don't give a shit about the law, or how it's enforced. Dismissed.

Here, have the last word again. lol

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The exceptions I claimed actually occurred. So you are wrong based on historical usage.


Wow. You just don't bother to read your links, do you? The five lost seats has NOTHING to do with undocumented persons. It is an estimate based on population trends and where that population will be in 2030 from the data in 2022. It may be accurate and it could be way off since it is based on assumptions that could not come to pass in the next 7 years since this estimate was done. Based on 2025 numbers, it clearly won't happen as predicted because other states aren't growing as fast as expected.
Once again, you failed to read your source which reached the exact same math I did.

A 2020 analysis by the Pew Research Center, based on population projections, estimated that if undocumented immigrants were excluded from the 2020 apportionment count, three states would each lose a congressional seat they were otherwise expected to have.
The apportionment in 2030 with the lose of illegals could mean up to 5 seats taken from California. New York and Illinois would also lose seats with illegals gone.
What the fuck. Texas and Florida will lose seats they would have gained if undocumented aren't counted. New York and Illinois will not.
 
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