Trump wants to drop illegal aliens from US census count

[T. A. Gardner]

Yes. The 14th eliminates all slaves so there are no longer counts of 3/5 of a person. The 14th also requires a count of all persons. Unless you are arguing that non-citizens are not persons, you have no argument.

It doesn't speak to apportionment however and there is precedent for not allotting it on the basis of non-citizens. So, you count illegals and add a question on the census form, "Are you a citizen of the United States?" You might add a second, "If not, are you in the country legally?"

That is perfectly legal and has precedent too. You then have counted everyone, but when it comes time for apportioning money and seats, those here illegally don't count towards that. After all, they have no Right to representation in our government and are not entitled to use taxpayer funds.

 

[Crepitus]

No, it doesn't and you are simply plain flat wrong here.

The language is "all persons".

To change that you will need a constitutional amendment.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

The language is "all persons".

Counted. It doesn't address how that is used by government to apportion congressional seats nor does it address spending of government funds.

To change that you will need a constitutional amendment.

Not for apportionment it won't.

 

[Poor Richard Saunders]

It doesn't speak to apportionment however and there is precedent for not allotting it on the basis of non-citizens. So, you count illegals and add a question on the census form, "Are you a citizen of the United States?" You might add a second, "If not, are you in the country legally?"

That is perfectly legal and has precedent too. You then have counted everyone, but when it comes time for apportioning money and seats, those here illegally don't count towards that. After all, they have no Right to representation in our government and are not entitled to use taxpayer funds.

Are you sure you can read?

Section 2​

Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State, excluding Indians not taxed.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Are you sure you can read?

Section 2​

Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State, excluding Indians not taxed.

Cherry picking. It also says in that section:

...except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion

Illegal entry is a CRIME.

 

[Poor Richard Saunders]

Cherry picking. It also says in that section:

...except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion

Illegal entry is a CRIME.

You seem to be unable to read. What does the entire sentence say? It provides a penalty against a state that refuses to let all male citizens over 21 vote, unless they were convicted of crimes. If a STATE denies the right to vote to a male citizen then there is a reduction in representation as a penalty for that denial. Non-citizens can't vote so they are not covered by this section.


But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice-President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the Executive and Judicial officers of a State, or the members of the Legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such State, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such State.

 

[Rusty Bell 65]

About the same number of babies you've adopted who otherwise would be aborted.

Your deflection from Trump's hypocrisy and self-preservation is noted. Thanks for admitting that you don't give a shit about the law, or how it's enforced. Dismissed.

Here, have the last word again. lol

Since you use this on a number of my posts, I'll send it back to you

 

[Guno צְבִי]

So how does the census taker know who is undocumented?

 

[ThatOwlWoman]

Since you use this on a number of my posts, I'll send it back to you

Thanks for your gracious surrender. lol

 

[ThatOwlWoman]

So how does the census taker know who is undocumented?

"Papers, please"?

Whether "legal" or not, everyone should be counted. The statistics are used by state and local governments to plan everything from adequately staffed schools to sufficient housing, sewer and water usage, business permits, etc. Certain Republikkkans don't want undocumented people counted because they could give a particular entity more representation in DC.

 

[Rusty Bell 65]

Thanks for your gracious surrender. lol

 

[Teflon Don]

Trump administration wants to drop all illegal immigrants from US census

The Trump administration proposed excluding undocumented and temporary immigrants from the US census, counting only citizens and permanent residents.

nypost.com

What do you think about that?

of course he should, they should never be counted towards the census, they are here ILLEGALLY

but you know those marxists really need their cheap oranges to be picked so..........

 

[Earl]

The Founding Fathers would never want illegals to be counted...they are here illegally and are supposed to be deported.

 

[tigerred59]

Republicans would benefit hugely from that and by extension the entire country would also. I'm all for it,....and have been.

Sigh...don't you people know that immigrants end up conservative supporters in the end? 47% of Latino's put Trump back in the white house. Without that 47%, going to Trump but instead to Harris, she would have won. Also note, when interviewed, most of these deported immigrants, all were Trump supporters!!! If anybody is a direct beneficiary of immigration, ITS THE REPUBLICAN PARTY!! You people are too damn mired in racism to see this.

 

[tigerred59]

Trump administration wants to drop all illegal immigrants from US census

The Trump administration proposed excluding undocumented and temporary immigrants from the US census, counting only citizens and permanent residents.

nypost.com

What do you think about that?

Immigrants all across the world and in this country, have caused a huge dilemma on the endless streams that keep showing up on their shores. How to pay for and support them; waivers on the few resources and strained economies that are suffering and depleted thanks to the US and its war on tariffs and Iran. By depleting them from PAPER does not remove them from the states that host their presence. The US no matter how hard it tries to do a Nazi re-do of making Jews disappear, nobody is being gassed. These people are not going away. So what will happen is that the states will impose an already over taxed mandate to its citizens to cover more costs. Until Greedy Wall street, small business owners, land lords, companies etc STOP HOSTING AND PROVIDING LANES FOR ILLEGALS TO EXIST....AND INSTEAD FINE THESE VENUES, THIS LATEST THING WITH TRUMP IS JUST HOT AIR WISHES.