US women are paying billions more for healthcare than men every year

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We need to ask why this is happening in America. Women don't come ahead in any of the categories listed. Women have a greater death rate for living in a high-income country. We pay more for a lesser quality of care. And care also applies to mental health care, where women's complaints are often dismissed or minimized.

Women in the U.S. face higher out-of-pocket healthcare costs and worse access to affordable care compared to men, with avoidable death rates for women being the highest among 14 high-income countries.
commonwealthfund.org World Economic Forum

Gender Disparities in Healthcare Access

Out-of-Pocket Costs

  • Women in the U.S. spend significantly more on healthcare than men, with an average of 18% higher out-of-pocket costs.
  • This translates to approximately $266 more per year for employed women on single coverage, excluding maternity-related expenses.

Access to Care

  • Women visit healthcare professionals more frequently than men, leading to higher overall healthcare costs.
  • Despite equal insurance premiums mandated by employers, women often receive less value from their insurance coverage compared to men.

Health Outcomes

Avoidable Death Rates

  • Women in the U.S. have the highest rate of avoidable deaths among 14 high-income countries, with 270 preventable deaths per 100,000 women in 2021.
  • This rate is more than triple that of women in countries like Japan and Korea, indicating significant disparities in healthcare quality and access.

Overall Health Status

  • U.S. women face challenges such as higher rates of chronic diseases and limited access to preventive care.
  • Racial and ethnic disparities further complicate healthcare access, with Black and Hispanic women experiencing worse health outcomes compared to their white counterparts.

In summary, women in the U.S. face higher costs and worse health outcomes compared to men, highlighting significant gender disparities in healthcare access and quality.

commonwealthfund.org World Economic Forum
 
This expands on the topic of health care for women who are mentally ill in America.

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Yes, women's mental health concerns are often dismissed or minimized compared to men's. Research indicates that women may face misdiagnosis and overdiagnosis of psychiatric conditions, leading to inadequate care and support.
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Gender Disparities in Mental Health Care

Dismissal of Women's Concerns

Research shows that women's mental health concerns are often dismissed or minimized compared to men's. This leads to significant disparities in how mental health issues are addressed in clinical settings. Women frequently report feeling ignored or not taken seriously by healthcare providers.

Misdiagnosis and Overdiagnosis

Women are at a higher risk of misdiagnosis and overdiagnosis of psychiatric conditions. This can result in inadequate care and support, as their symptoms may be attributed to emotional or psychological issues rather than being taken as legitimate health concerns.

Impact of Gender Bias

The following factors contribute to the gender bias in mental health care:

  • Stereotypes: Traditional views often label women's emotional expressions as "hysterical," leading to their pain and symptoms being dismissed.
  • Diagnostic Errors: Women may face delays in receiving appropriate diagnoses, with some studies indicating misdiagnosis rates as high as 30-50% for conditions like depression.
  • Cultural Influences: Societal norms often dictate that women should be more emotional, which can lead to their concerns being trivialized.

Summary of Findings

AspectWomenMen
Likelihood of DismissalHigherLower
Misdiagnosis Rate30-50% for depressionLess frequently misdiagnosed
Perception of SymptomsOften seen as psychosomaticTaken more seriously

These disparities highlight the need for increased awareness and training among healthcare providers to ensure that women's mental health is treated with the seriousness it deserves.
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What Lindsay Clancy’s psychiatrist knew — and didn’t know — faces scrutiny at trial

PLYMOUTH — A psychiatrist who treated Lindsay Clancy in the months before she killed her three children said on Monday that she never sought records from some of Clancy’s other providers and was unaware that Clancy had twice called a suicide hotline during the time they met regularly...

...Clancy’s medical treatment in the run-up to the killings is one of the core issues in the case. Prosecutors have tried to highlight how Tufts, and other psychiatrists who treated Clancy, saw no signs of the tragedy to come as they work to prove to jurors that even if Clancy was mentally ill, she was acting in her right mind when she committed the killings.

But Clancy’s defense has claimed she was let down by her providers, chief among them Tufts, accusing them of overmedicating her and failing to identify and treat her mental illness properly. Outside of the criminal case, both Clancy and her ex-husband, Patrick, have filed medical malpractice lawsuits against Tufts and other providers...

...On Monday, defense attorney Kevin Reddington began his cross-examination by attempting to establish whether Tufts was actually qualified to treat Clancy when they began meeting in September 2022. He highlighted that Tufts had just completed a residency and had been practicing on her own for about a month when Clancy came to her. As a result, Reddington suggested Tufts may have falsely presented herself as an expert in perinatal psychiatry.

“With a month under your belt and your residency, do you really want this jury to believe that you were an expert?” he asked. Tufts countered that she simply said she had an interest in the field.

Each time Tufts met with Clancy, the appointment was held by telehealth, she said. Reddington suggested Tufts may have missed physical signs Clancy was anxious, like her wringing her hands or bouncing her leg. He also noted that Tufts never gave Clancy a specific test designed to screen a person for postpartum depression."

Continued
 
Between the reproductive organs, breast issues and the mental problems of females I would expect this.
 
It appears that Clancy's therapist didn't carry out the due diligence that would have helped her understand Clancy better.

"Tufts testified she did not know Clancy had twice contacted a suicide hotline while under her care. The revelation could become an important piece for jurors to consider around the broader debate over whether Clancy’s providers failed to recognize the severity of her mental health struggles.

Much of Reddington’s questioning focused on how Tufts managed Clancy’s medications. At one point, he retrieved a large printout showing each of the medications Clancy was prescribed in the lead-up to the killings, and placed it on the TV screen next to the witness stand.

After their first meeting, Tufts prescribed Clancy Zoloft, an antidepressant, to treat the anxiety Clancy had reported. That decision came even though Clancy had told Tufts about briefly taking the drug following the birth of her second child and experiencing side effects, Reddington noted. The defense lawyer then seized on the fact that Tufts never documented the side effects Clancy reported having when she previously took the medication.

“I don’t recall exactly which side effects she said, but I recall they were some of the very common ones,” Tufts said. “If they were anything else, I would have documented it.”

Clancy began taking the medication about a month after the first meeting with Tufts. On Oct. 20, she reported that after increasing the dose, she “felt awful,” and told Tufts the drug made her insomnia worse, left her more depressed, with mental fog and paranoid about having suicidal thoughts.

Shortly after that, in early November, Clancy told Tufts she hadn’t started some of the medications she had been prescribed.

“She was scared of the drugs?” Reddington asked. Tufts agreed.

Then, in an apparent attempt to shut down a prosecution theory that Clancy was essentially seeking the easy way out for her mental health issues and overly reliant on medications, Reddington followed up with, “She wasn’t doctor shopping and asking you for drugs so she could get high; she was asking you for help, isn’t that right?” Tufts agreed.


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Even though Clancy reported worsening symptoms, the therapist prescribed amytriptyline, a drug that can have serious effects on someone's already fragile mental health.

"Reddington continued to walk Tufts through the timeline of appointments with Clancy, highlighting how she continued to report worsening symptoms and reactions. On Dec. 1, Clancy told Tufts she was “close” to having suicidal thoughts, feeling a sense of hopelessness. Two weeks later, on Dec. 16, Clancy said he had begun having suicidal thoughts, but didn’t have a specific plan to harm herself.

Clancy and Tufts met four times in January 2023, including after Clancy’s stay at McLean Hospital. Tufts said she received Clancy’s discharge note from the hospital, but conceded she did not obtain Clancy’s full records. On Jan. 16, Tufts prescribed Clancy amitriptyline, another antidepressant, after she reported feeling anxious, numb and that caring for her baby felt forced.

During their appointment on Jan. 23, a day before the killings, Clancy reported feeling “no emotion for 17 days straight,” Reddington suggested.
“What did you do?” he pushed Tufts.

“I thought about how I could best help her, the medicines she tried and what her current symptoms were and (decided) it made sense to slowly (increase) the amitriptyline so we could get her to a dose that reduced her depression,” she responded. Increasing the medication “pushed her over the edge, didn’t it?” Reddington asked. “No, I don’t think so,” Tufts replied.

After Tufts, prosecutors are expected to call several more psychiatrists who treated Clancy before the killings. The testimony represents a marked shift from the earlier phase of the trial, which largely focused on the circumstances of the killings, to evidence about Clancy’s mental state.


Side effects of amytriptyline: Amitriptyline may cause some people to be agitated, irritable, or display other abnormal behaviors. It may also cause some people to have suicidal thoughts and tendencies or to become more depressed. If you or your caregiver notice any of these adverse effects, tell your doctor right away.
 

She's not being supported because people think she should get away with her crimes. The answer is in the 3rd paragraph.

Lindsay Clancy killed her 3 children. Then why are people supporting her?​

On January 24, 2023, Lindsay Clancy's husband, Patrick, left their home in Duxbury, Massachusetts, to run errands. When he returned, he found his three children - five-year-old Cora, three-year-old Dawson and eight-month-old Callan - dead. Clancy, then 32, had strangled the children, prosecutors allege, before jumping from a second-storey window in an attempt to kill herself. She survived but suffered severe spinal injuries and is now paralysed.

There is little dispute over the central act: Clancy's defence has acknowledged that she killed her children. What is being fought in court is something more complicated – what was happening inside her mind when she did it, and whether she should be held criminally responsible for her actions.

On August 20, 2026, about 300 women gathered outside the Plymouth courthouse as Clancy's trial continued. Many wore pink and carried messages of support. Several told reporters that they were not there to excuse the deaths of the children, but because Clancy's story resonated with them as mothers and because they believed maternal mental health is routinely overlooked. For some supporters, the case is about a mother who they believe was desperately unwell and repeatedly tried to get help.

The trial, therefore, has become about more than one family. It has opened a much wider conversation about postpartum mental illness, access to psychiatric care and what happens when a mother's increasingly alarming symptoms are not recognised or adequately treated."





@Diogenes Any questions?
 
Women have more medical issues. Supply and demand.

The core claim is largely accurate on out-of-pocket costs for employed women under employer-sponsored insurance, but the framing as pure systemic discrimination or “paying more for lesser quality” is overstated and incomplete. Higher utilization by women (driven by biology, reproductive health, screening guidelines, and behavior) explains most of the difference. U.S. women also live longer than U.S. men, and the international comparisons mix system-level U.S. problems with sex-specific ones.


The Cost Numbers​


A 2023 Deloitte actuarial analysis of claims data for >16 million people with employer-sponsored coverage (2017–2022) found employed women ages 19–64 had roughly $15–15.4 billion more in annual out-of-pocket costs than men. For single coverage, that averaged about $266 more per year (≈18%) after excluding maternity-related claims. Maternity accounted for only a small portion of the gap (removing it reduced the difference by <2 percentage points). Women hit deductibles and out-of-pocket maximums more often because they use more services.


Related data (e.g., GoodRx on prescriptions) show women spending more out-of-pocket on drugs as well—driven by higher fill rates for conditions more common in women (migraine, anxiety/depression meds, certain autoimmune-related treatments, contraceptives, menopause care, etc.).


These figures are real and do not stem primarily from higher premiums (ACA rules generally prohibit sex-based premium differences for employer plans). Benefit design (deductibles, cost-sharing on common women’s services like imaging or gynecologic care) interacts with higher utilization to produce the gap. Closing the actuarial-value difference would be relatively cheap for employers (~$12 per employee/year in one estimate).


Why Women Use More Care​


Women visit providers more often and generate higher claims even after excluding pregnancy. Key drivers include:


  • Biology and guidelines: Routine gynecologic care, earlier/more frequent recommended screenings in some areas, menopause transitions, higher rates of certain autoimmune conditions, migraines, and other conditions that prompt more visits/prescriptions. Breast imaging is relatively costly compared with some male-specific screens.
  • Behavior: Women are more likely to seek preventive and primary care; men are far more likely to go years between visits.
  • Reproductive and sex-specific needs that have no direct male equivalent in volume.

This is not primarily “bias causing over-use.” Sex differences in disease prevalence, immune function (women generally have stronger immune responses, which helps against infection/cancer but raises autoimmune risk), hormones, and anatomy produce different utilization patterns. Men face higher rates of certain high-cost acute events later (heart disease, some cancers) and higher mortality from injuries, suicide, overdoses, etc.


Outcomes and the “Lesser Quality / Avoidable Deaths” Claim​


The Commonwealth Fund brief correctly notes U.S. women have the highest rate of avoidable (preventable/treatable) deaths among the high-income countries examined (~270 per 100,000 in 2021 data) and relatively low life expectancy for women compared with peer countries (~80 years). U.S. healthcare overall underperforms on many access, primary-care, and affordability metrics versus peer nations that have universal coverage systems. Racial/ethnic disparities within the U.S. are also real.


However:


  • U.S. women still substantially outlive U.S. men. Recent CDC data show female life expectancy around 81+ years vs. male ~76–77 (gap ~5 years; it widened during COVID and the overdose crisis but remains large). Men die earlier from heart disease, unintentional injuries/poisonings, suicide, homicide, and other causes at higher rates.
  • International rankings for U.S. women reflect the same system-wide issues that also produce poor rankings for U.S. men (high costs, fragmentation, lifestyle factors, violence, etc.). Framing it mainly as a gender gap relative to men within the U.S. is selective.
  • Women report higher rates of certain chronic conditions and mental-health needs in surveys, and there is documented evidence of dismissal or psychologizing of some women’s symptoms (pain, autoimmune, etc.). Counter-examples and bidirectional issues also exist (men’s mental health is under-diagnosed in different ways; some conditions present differently by sex and research historically lagged for both).

The mental-health dismissal points and the Lindsay Clancy case discussion in the thread are separate topics. Provider quality failures occur for both sexes; they do not uniquely prove a systemic “women pay more for worse care” story across the board.


Bottom Line​


Women with employer coverage do pay more out-of-pocket on average because they use more covered services, even after maternity is removed. That is a measurable cost difference interacting with typical plan design. It is not primarily unexplained discrimination or evidence that women receive systematically inferior care relative to men in the U.S. Biological sex differences, screening guidelines, reproductive physiology, and care-seeking behavior drive most of the utilization gap. Broader U.S. healthcare cost/access problems affect both sexes and show up in international comparisons for women (and men). Treating the numbers as proof of a one-sided “pink tax” on care quality oversimplifies the data.



 
We need to ask why this is happening in America. Women don't come ahead in any of the categories listed. Women have a greater death rate for living in a high-income country. We pay more for a lesser quality of care. And care also applies to mental health care, where women's complaints are often dismissed or minimized.

Women in the U.S. face higher out-of-pocket healthcare costs and worse access to affordable care compared to men, with avoidable death rates for women being the highest among 14 high-income countries.
commonwealthfund.org World Economic Forum

Gender Disparities in Healthcare Access

Out-of-Pocket Costs

  • Women in the U.S. spend significantly more on healthcare than men, with an average of 18% higher out-of-pocket costs.
  • This translates to approximately $266 more per year for employed women on single coverage, excluding maternity-related expenses.

Access to Care

  • Women visit healthcare professionals more frequently than men, leading to higher overall healthcare costs.
  • Despite equal insurance premiums mandated by employers, women often receive less value from their insurance coverage compared to men.

Health Outcomes

Avoidable Death Rates

  • Women in the U.S. have the highest rate of avoidable deaths among 14 high-income countries, with 270 preventable deaths per 100,000 women in 2021.
  • This rate is more than triple that of women in countries like Japan and Korea, indicating significant disparities in healthcare quality and access.

Overall Health Status

  • U.S. women face challenges such as higher rates of chronic diseases and limited access to preventive care.
  • Racial and ethnic disparities further complicate healthcare access, with Black and Hispanic women experiencing worse health outcomes compared to their white counterparts.

In summary, women in the U.S. face higher costs and worse health outcomes compared to men, highlighting significant gender disparities in healthcare access and quality.

commonwealthfund.org World Economic Forum
And they live longer than me so stfu
 
The core claim is largely accurate on out-of-pocket costs for employed women under employer-sponsored insurance, but the framing as pure systemic discrimination or “paying more for lesser quality” is overstated and incomplete. Higher utilization by women (driven by biology, reproductive health, screening guidelines, and behavior) explains most of the difference. U.S. women also live longer than U.S. men, and the international comparisons mix system-level U.S. problems with sex-specific ones.


The Cost Numbers​


A 2023 Deloitte actuarial analysis of claims data for >16 million people with employer-sponsored coverage (2017–2022) found employed women ages 19–64 had roughly $15–15.4 billion more in annual out-of-pocket costs than men. For single coverage, that averaged about $266 more per year (≈18%) after excluding maternity-related claims. Maternity accounted for only a small portion of the gap (removing it reduced the difference by <2 percentage points). Women hit deductibles and out-of-pocket maximums more often because they use more services.


Related data (e.g., GoodRx on prescriptions) show women spending more out-of-pocket on drugs as well—driven by higher fill rates for conditions more common in women (migraine, anxiety/depression meds, certain autoimmune-related treatments, contraceptives, menopause care, etc.).


These figures are real and do not stem primarily from higher premiums (ACA rules generally prohibit sex-based premium differences for employer plans). Benefit design (deductibles, cost-sharing on common women’s services like imaging or gynecologic care) interacts with higher utilization to produce the gap. Closing the actuarial-value difference would be relatively cheap for employers (~$12 per employee/year in one estimate).


Why Women Use More Care​


Women visit providers more often and generate higher claims even after excluding pregnancy. Key drivers include:


  • Biology and guidelines: Routine gynecologic care, earlier/more frequent recommended screenings in some areas, menopause transitions, higher rates of certain autoimmune conditions, migraines, and other conditions that prompt more visits/prescriptions. Breast imaging is relatively costly compared with some male-specific screens.
  • Behavior: Women are more likely to seek preventive and primary care; men are far more likely to go years between visits.
  • Reproductive and sex-specific needs that have no direct male equivalent in volume.

This is not primarily “bias causing over-use.” Sex differences in disease prevalence, immune function (women generally have stronger immune responses, which helps against infection/cancer but raises autoimmune risk), hormones, and anatomy produce different utilization patterns. Men face higher rates of certain high-cost acute events later (heart disease, some cancers) and higher mortality from injuries, suicide, overdoses, etc.


Outcomes and the “Lesser Quality / Avoidable Deaths” Claim​


The Commonwealth Fund brief correctly notes U.S. women have the highest rate of avoidable (preventable/treatable) deaths among the high-income countries examined (~270 per 100,000 in 2021 data) and relatively low life expectancy for women compared with peer countries (~80 years). U.S. healthcare overall underperforms on many access, primary-care, and affordability metrics versus peer nations that have universal coverage systems. Racial/ethnic disparities within the U.S. are also real.


However:


  • U.S. women still substantially outlive U.S. men. Recent CDC data show female life expectancy around 81+ years vs. male ~76–77 (gap ~5 years; it widened during COVID and the overdose crisis but remains large). Men die earlier from heart disease, unintentional injuries/poisonings, suicide, homicide, and other causes at higher rates.
  • International rankings for U.S. women reflect the same system-wide issues that also produce poor rankings for U.S. men (high costs, fragmentation, lifestyle factors, violence, etc.). Framing it mainly as a gender gap relative to men within the U.S. is selective.
  • Women report higher rates of certain chronic conditions and mental-health needs in surveys, and there is documented evidence of dismissal or psychologizing of some women’s symptoms (pain, autoimmune, etc.). Counter-examples and bidirectional issues also exist (men’s mental health is under-diagnosed in different ways; some conditions present differently by sex and research historically lagged for both).

The mental-health dismissal points and the Lindsay Clancy case discussion in the thread are separate topics. Provider quality failures occur for both sexes; they do not uniquely prove a systemic “women pay more for worse care” story across the board.


Bottom Line​


Women with employer coverage do pay more out-of-pocket on average because they use more covered services, even after maternity is removed. That is a measurable cost difference interacting with typical plan design. It is not primarily unexplained discrimination or evidence that women receive systematically inferior care relative to men in the U.S. Biological sex differences, screening guidelines, reproductive physiology, and care-seeking behavior drive most of the utilization gap. Broader U.S. healthcare cost/access problems affect both sexes and show up in international comparisons for women (and men). Treating the numbers as proof of a one-sided “pink tax” on care quality oversimplifies the data.



Search Assist v. Grok. Six of one, half-dozen etc.
 
Christiefan915’s post #15 (7084162) is a short dismissal of the detailed cost analysis that was posted under the Diogenes handle.


She quotes the full breakdown of the Deloitte numbers, utilization drivers, life-expectancy data, and the distinction between system-wide U.S. problems versus a pure gender-discrimination story, then replies only:


“Search Assist v. Grok. Six of one, half-dozen etc.”

What that response actually does​


It treats a structured, sourced analysis as interchangeable with the earlier “Search Assist” summaries she herself posted. Those earlier summaries were high-level, often one-sided restatements of the Commonwealth Fund framing (“women pay more for lesser quality”) with little engagement of the utilization data, the small maternity share of the gap, the life-expectancy gap favoring women inside the U.S., or the fact that premiums are not sex-rated under the ACA for employer plans.


Equating the two is a classic non-response. It does not:


  • Contest the $15–15.4 billion / $266 / ~18% figures
  • Contest that higher utilization (biology + behavior + guidelines) drives most of the gap
  • Contest that U.S. women still outlive U.S. men by roughly 5 years
  • Contest that international “avoidable death” rankings largely reflect broader U.S. system and population-health issues that affect both sexes

It simply waves the analysis away as “same as the other AI.”


Context inside the thread​


This sits right after her post claiming “Women grow other humans inside their bodies. That could lead to short or long-term health issues. And then the insurance industry punishes them monetarily for any problems.” That is a rhetorical move, not a data rebuttal. The Deloitte analysis already excluded maternity claims and the gap remained almost unchanged. Reproductive physiology contributes to higher utilization, but the cost difference is not primarily an insurance “punishment” layered on top of equal utilization; it is mostly the result of women using more covered services.


Her later follow-up (“Yet ob/gyn issues are what’s brought up most of the time when discussing women’s health problems”) further narrows the discussion to the reproductive subset while ignoring the broader utilization data that includes migraines, autoimmune conditions, mental-health prescriptions, preventive visits, etc.


Bottom line on this specific post​


Calling a detailed, sourced counter-analysis “six of one, half-dozen of the other” with Search Assist is not engagement. It is dismissal by equivalence. The numbers and the explanatory factors stand unless someone actually addresses them.
 
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