What god did Einstein believe in?

[Monad Portal]

Still afraid to say what you believe the most logical inference for the origin of the universe is.

I don't know what it is.

I just think your theory is idiotic, and not proven by your assertions of proof.

in short, you're dumb, and you're overextending trying to prove something you can't, with bad evidence.

I don't blame you. Trying to explain how the rational can come from the irrational is a tough sell.


Just blurting out "Well, that's just the way it is!" is a chickenshit cop out, because what you're really saying is you don't believe anything, and are afraid to pick an option which might be logically incoherent.

observation is step 1.

 

[Cypress]

I don't know what it is!

You don't have to know any physics, chemistry, or astronomy to make a decision.

It is a simple question based on simple reasoning and logic.

Either you think the best explanation for a mathematically rational and lawfully organized universe is irrational, inanimate reasons and random chance.... or you don't think that sounds like the best explanation.

 

[Monad Portal]

You don't have to know any physics, chemistry, or astronomy to make a decision.

It is a simple question based on simple reasoning and logic.

Either you think the best explanation for a mathematically rational and lawfully organized universe is irrational, inanimate reasons and random chance.... or you don't think that sounds like the best explanation.

I know enough to know a false dichotomy and weak arguments.

you're dumb.

 

[Cypress]

I know enough!!!

I'm not going to play this "I don't know anything and I don't believe anything!" game with you. If you can't state and defend fundamental beliefs, there is nothing to discuss.

The question I tried to pin you down on was very simple, only required simple logic and reasoning, and did not require any knowledge of physics, chemistry, or cosmology.

 

[Monad Portal]

I'm not going to play this "I don't know anything and I don't believe anything!" game with you. If you can't state and defend fundamental beliefs, there is nothing to discuss.

all you have to offer is a false dichotomy and retardation.

The question I tried to pin you down on was very simple, only required simple logic and reasoning, and did not require any knowledge of physics, chemistry, or cosmology.

all you have to offer is a false dichotomy and retardation.

 

[Cypress]

all you have to offer is a false dichotomy and retardation.

I understand you are extremely reticent to defend the idea that a mathematically rational and lawfully organized universe was somehow caused by irrational, inanimate reasons and random chance.

We both know why you are hesitant to defend it.

 

[Monad Portal]

I understand you are extremely reticent to defend the idea that a mathematically rational and lawfully organized universe was somehow caused by irrational, inanimate reasons and random chance.

math also exists in chaos, dumb ass.

We both know why you are hesitant to defend it.

you're a fucking idiot.

 

[Cypress]

math also exists in chaos, dumb ass!

Math is a language of logic and is highly rational.
Even in Chaos Theory, there is a hidden underlying deterministic principle of order.

you're a fucking idiot!

There is no middle option between rational and irrational.

Either a mathematically rational and lawfully ordered universe was somehow caused by the irrational and the inanimate.... or it wasn't.

There is not an intermediate third option to pick, and the fact you won't associate yourself with one of these two choices tells me everything I need to know about the confidence you actually place in your militant atheist worldview.

 

[Monad Portal]

Math is a language of logic and is highly rational.
Even in Chaos Theory, there is a hidden underlying deterministic principle of order.

its not deterministic.

its merely descriptive.

There is no middle option between rational and irrational.

but there is a difference between descriptive and causative.

Either a mathematically rational and lawfully ordered universe was somehow caused by the irrational and the inanimate.... or it wasn't.

causation has nothing to do with math.

There is not an intermediate third option to pick, and the fact you won't associate yourself with one of these two choices tells me everything I need to know about the confidence you actually place in your militant atheist worldview.

your dichotomy as composed is idiotic, and relies on some mythical link between causation and math.

you're very dumb.

 

[Cypress]

its not deterministic!

Chaos theory is fundamentally deterministic, not random, and is governed by deterministic equations.

The seeming randomness that manifests in the long term is only a product of our ignorance and inability to precisely measure tiny differences in the initial conditions of a physical system. It's a problem of knowledge, not a problem of reality. But in reality, there is fundamental principles of order and determinism in chaos theory and it's essentially only a measurement problem that introduces a seeming randomness.

Unfortunately for you, you cannot escape or sweep under the rug the fact you live in a universe where matter and energy behave in accordance with rational mathematical principles.

 

[Monad Portal]

Chaos theory is fundamentally deterministic, not random, and is governed by deterministic equations.

The seeming randomness that manifests in the long term is only a product of our ignorance and inability to precisely measure tiny differences in the initial conditions of a physical system. It's a problem of knowledge, not a problem of reality. But in reality, there is fundamental principles of order and determinism in chaos theory and it's essentially only a measurement problem that introduces a seeming randomness.

Unfortunately for you, you cannot escape or sweep under the rug the fact you live in a universe where matter and energy behave in accordance with rational mathematical principles.

math is descriptive, not deterministic in actual causal reality.

 

[Cypress]

math is descriptive, not deterministic in actual causal reality.

"Although some popularized discussions of chaos theory claim it invalidates determinism, chaotic behavior is always deterministic."
--> Stanford University

Chaos (Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy)