Why Are We Fueling Our Own Extinction?

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'While the rest of us understand supply and demand theory, our politicians, slick from all that oil money gushing into their hands, seem unable to firmly grasp this basic theory.'

It seems abundantly clear that something any man, woman or child with a reasonable understanding of the scientific method will agree on is that we need to stop burning fossil fuels if we are to avoid the breakdown of ecosystems and runaway global warming. If you aren’t convinced, maybe the CEO of the world’s second-largest publicly traded oil and gas producer, Royal Dutch Shell, can convince you. In 2020, Ben van Beurden said “The future of energy needs to evolve as something else, and we find a role for ourselves in it.” This is the same company that knew its product was causing the planet to warm, and yet for decades spent vast sums obfuscating the truth by funding myriad climate change denying think tanks and lobbying politicians across the globe. Ben van Beurden himself admitted his company’s guilt when he said, “Yeah, we knew. Everybody knew, and somehow we all ignored it.” It was only in 2019 that Shell finally opted to leave the American Fuel & Petrochemical Manufacturers lobbyist group, citing an incompatible position on climate change as their reason for exiting.

So, it is clear that we need to move away from burning any type of fossil fuel as a matter of urgency. Let’s try a little thought experiment. Imagine you are a world leader that deeply cares about your nation and its people, as we are all sure, our world leaders today do. It is your job therefore to transition your nation away from fossil fuels in a quick fashion in order to avoid planetary collapse. Which of these two courses of action would you take? A) Continue to subsidize fossil fuel companies in order to reduce the cost of their products and increase their consumption, or B) start to remove these subsidies in order to increase their cost and decrease their consumption while subsidizing the new energy sources that will replace oil, gas, and coal to make sure the population can afford them? You would think that most world leaders would opt for option B, knowing that this is the only way to reduce fossil fuel consumption However, this isn’t what is happening.

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It is always about money. That is why corporations ignore pollution laws. That is why corporations cut safety. It is not that they do not know better but their greed overpowers their civic responsibility.
 
That's why--given the scenario above-- the quickest and cleanest transition is to nuclear and natural gas as the back up. This gets you to liquid hydrogen or ammonia as the portable fuel in a fuel cell and eliminates fossil fuels as the basis for transportation and vehicles.
It continues as a legacy as the conversion is made making this both fast and economical.

Going to wind and solar, as Germany has proven, is a fool's errand and eliminating nuclear is just plain stupid. So, why are government's doing stupid? Well, we know the answer...

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They are full of idiots, morons, retards, and technical illiterates. Garbage disposal anyone?
 
'While the rest of us understand supply and demand theory, our politicians, slick from all that oil money gushing into their hands, seem unable to firmly grasp this basic theory.'

It seems abundantly clear that something any man, woman or child with a reasonable understanding of the scientific method will agree on is that we need to stop burning fossil fuels if we are to avoid the breakdown of ecosystems and runaway global warming. If you aren’t convinced, maybe the CEO of the world’s second-largest publicly traded oil and gas producer, Royal Dutch Shell, can convince you. In 2020, Ben van Beurden said “The future of energy needs to evolve as something else, and we find a role for ourselves in it.” This is the same company that knew its product was causing the planet to warm, and yet for decades spent vast sums obfuscating the truth by funding myriad climate change denying think tanks and lobbying politicians across the globe. Ben van Beurden himself admitted his company’s guilt when he said, “Yeah, we knew. Everybody knew, and somehow we all ignored it.” It was only in 2019 that Shell finally opted to leave the American Fuel & Petrochemical Manufacturers lobbyist group, citing an incompatible position on climate change as their reason for exiting.

So, it is clear that we need to move away from burning any type of fossil fuel as a matter of urgency. Let’s try a little thought experiment. Imagine you are a world leader that deeply cares about your nation and its people, as we are all sure, our world leaders today do. It is your job therefore to transition your nation away from fossil fuels in a quick fashion in order to avoid planetary collapse. Which of these two courses of action would you take? A) Continue to subsidize fossil fuel companies in order to reduce the cost of their products and increase their consumption, or B) start to remove these subsidies in order to increase their cost and decrease their consumption while subsidizing the new energy sources that will replace oil, gas, and coal to make sure the population can afford them? You would think that most world leaders would opt for option B, knowing that this is the only way to reduce fossil fuel consumption However, this isn’t what is happening.

https://www.commondreams.org/views/...mail&utm_source=Weekly Newsletter&utm_term=AO


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We are a short-lived species with too many of us unable to look more than a lifespan into the future to see what today's action/inaction might do. Plus too many of us are greedy and selfish both at the corporate level and the individual level. I'm as guilty as the rest of us.
 
You're a very naive man, Kenny. Wake the fuck up and stop spouting bollocks. There are many projects in train to transition to zero carbon. Ammonia, hydrogen and fourth generation nuclear are the future.

The Fuel Of The Future That is Nine Times More Efficient Than Lithium

https://www.yahoo.com/now/fuel-future-9-times-more-003000115.html

Three Advanced Reactor Systems to Watch by 2030

https://www.energy.gov/ne/articles/3-advanced-reactor-systems-watch-2030
seriously.
aside from JPP I NEVER hear ANY discussion of nuke power. I did notice some Biden officials finally recognize
But plants have been closing and scheduled to close still

Biden climate adviser says existing nuclear essential for emissions goals
https://www.reuters.com/business/su...nuclear-essential-reach-emissions-2021-05-18/
nuclear power is virtually free from carbon emissions that cause global warming, but is still rejected by some environmental groups because of concern over the disposal of toxic waste.

The United States has 93 nuclear reactors, more than any other country, but nuclear power capacity peaked in 2012. Some reactors have closed due to high security costs and competition from natural gas plants and renewable power.
 
seriously.
aside from JPP I NEVER hear ANY discussion of nuke power. I did notice some Biden officials finally recognize
But plants have been closing and scheduled to close still

Biden climate adviser says existing nuclear essential for emissions goals
https://www.reuters.com/business/su...nuclear-essential-reach-emissions-2021-05-18/
nuclear power is virtually free from carbon emissions that cause global warming, but is still rejected by some environmental groups because of concern over the disposal of toxic waste.

The United States has 93 nuclear reactors, more than any other country, but nuclear power capacity peaked in 2012. Some reactors have closed due to high security costs and competition from natural gas plants and renewable power.

It's NIMBYs and enviro-loonys that have been the most vocal against nuclear waste repositories like Yucca Mountain. Nuclear waste is a misnomer anyway as it will become valuable when molten sodium and fluoride reactors come online.
 
Why Are We Fueling Our Own Extinction?

Why are humans increasingly shit, why are we regressing....that is the question that is at root of this thread question.

Bret and Heather think that the answer is that we are not built for as much change as our tech has caused, that we are breaking down because we cant cope.
 
I am wondering if our nerves getting fried as a result of many decades now of the threat of instant nuclear annihilation is a more correct answer.
 
It's NIMBYs and enviro-loonys that have been the most vocal against nuclear waste repositories like Yucca Mountain. Nuclear waste is a misnomer anyway as it will become valuable when molten sodium and fluoride reactors come online.
dont have this knowledge like you do,but surely someone still sane left in gubmint understands this? why cant we get basic researh driven policies?

I dont hear Republicans even touting nuke.
 
dont have this knowledge like you do,but surely someone still sane left in gubmint understands this? why cant we get basic researh driven policies?

I dont hear Republicans even touting nuke.

It sure does not help that perhaps has much as half of science results are either fraudulent or useless.
 
'While the rest of us understand supply and demand theory, our politicians, slick from all that oil money gushing into their hands, seem unable to firmly grasp this basic theory.'

It seems abundantly clear that something any man, woman or child with a reasonable understanding of the scientific method will agree on is that we need to stop burning fossil fuels if we are to avoid the breakdown of ecosystems and runaway global warming. If you aren’t convinced, maybe the CEO of the world’s second-largest publicly traded oil and gas producer, Royal Dutch Shell, can convince you. In 2020, Ben van Beurden said “The future of energy needs to evolve as something else, and we find a role for ourselves in it.” This is the same company that knew its product was causing the planet to warm, and yet for decades spent vast sums obfuscating the truth by funding myriad climate change denying think tanks and lobbying politicians across the globe. Ben van Beurden himself admitted his company’s guilt when he said, “Yeah, we knew. Everybody knew, and somehow we all ignored it.” It was only in 2019 that Shell finally opted to leave the American Fuel & Petrochemical Manufacturers lobbyist group, citing an incompatible position on climate change as their reason for exiting.

So, it is clear that we need to move away from burning any type of fossil fuel as a matter of urgency. Let’s try a little thought experiment. Imagine you are a world leader that deeply cares about your nation and its people, as we are all sure, our world leaders today do. It is your job therefore to transition your nation away from fossil fuels in a quick fashion in order to avoid planetary collapse. Which of these two courses of action would you take? A) Continue to subsidize fossil fuel companies in order to reduce the cost of their products and increase their consumption, or B) start to remove these subsidies in order to increase their cost and decrease their consumption while subsidizing the new energy sources that will replace oil, gas, and coal to make sure the population can afford them? You would think that most world leaders would opt for option B, knowing that this is the only way to reduce fossil fuel consumption However, this isn’t what is happening.

https://www.commondreams.org/views/...mail&utm_source=Weekly Newsletter&utm_term=AO


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In order to defuse this dilemma against humanity, is to defuse the tRump and GOP insurrectionist covid detonator against humanity that does the bidding of foreign enemies to wage war on Democracy, society and the common decency of civilization. This is when it comes to finally having Justice served on the GQP and tRump enemy from within, and there is a mountain of justifications there to do it once and for all! This in order to finally obliterate this tRump and GOP threat issue, and in order for humanity to have the opportunity to move forward without the stress at fearing for their lives.
 
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