Why does the explosion in variants correlate with the vaccines?

anatta said:
WTF do you mean by "enviornment?"
mutations occur within the host
Then Darwins law takes effect where the "successful" mutations survive/thrive to become a variant and then a strain
Id be careful with your arrogance, your posts are incomplete , and your terminology inexact
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The host is part of the environment. Geez. Environment is the term to describe the habitat where something lives.
Mutations occur within one host but then are passed on to other hosts where more mutations can occur. That is also the environment since the virus MUST pass from host to host to survive long term.

Since the mutations must survive to become a variant and then a strain, it would appear that no vaccine is needed to create strains and variants. Surprise! That's what I have been saying. The only thing the vaccine does is change the environment by reducing the number of viable hosts for a strain thereby changing which strain can thrive.


Darwin's law of natural selection implies that a population in equilibrium with its environment under natural selection will have a phenotype which maximizes the fitness locally.
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Into the Night said:
If it changes, it's no longer covid19. Any change will do. I suppose you could call each variant covid20, covid21, covid22, etc. However, there are very few variants in the Covid/SARS series of viruses (as series go). This 'variant' bullshit is obviously a political ploy to keep the Church of Covid party rolling right along.
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Since there are some variants of Covid THIS YEAR, what would you call them?
 
anatta said:
doesnt matter. herd immunity doesnt require 100% immunity in a population

oh gee so now you pipe up after the info is disclosed.. have you heard ANYONE say "vaxxing can cause mutations"?
Certainly not the vaxx pushers who want kids vaxxed
what? where do you get "radiation" are you trying to say" effecting" and chose the wrong medical term?

the PRESENCE of a vaxx, causes a mutation - i would ASS U ME that the mutation is caused by the virus attempting to overcome the vaxx properties ( stimulation of antibodies) , so no Vaxxes do cause RNA mutations
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Yes, but the new vaccines are programmed to attack the COVID viruses by recognizing their Protein Spikes- not exact replicas of the virus's DNA!

So you are right when you are talking about FLU-VACCINES- not the new COVID vaccines.

The Covid Vaccines are a new revolutionary medical scientific breakthrough!

BE A PART OF IT AND EXPERIENCE IT FOR YOURSELF!

Medical science thinks that if we can just get to 75% vaccinations, HERD IMMUNITY WILL TAKE OVER FROM THERE!

Please do your part to help! NOT TO HELP BIDEN- BUT TO HELP AMERICA!
 
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anatta said:
doesnt matter. herd immunity doesnt require 100% immunity in a population

oh gee so now you pipe up after the info is disclosed.. have you heard ANYONE say "vaxxing can cause mutations"?
Certainly not the vaxx pushers who want kids vaxxed
what? where do you get "radiation" are you trying to say" effecting" and chose the wrong medical term?

the PRESENCE of a vaxx, causes a mutation - i would ASS U ME that the mutation is caused by the virus attempting to overcome the vaxx properties ( stimulation of antibodies) , so no Vaxxes do cause RNA mutations
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Let me correct a small typo that may help your understanding better.

The other way is modification of RNA/DNA by radiation or something else that actually changes the RNA/DNA strand when it isn't replicating.

Radiation can change DNA/RNA
https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/immunology-and-microbiology/ionizing-radiation

Other processes such CRISPER can also change DNA but the vaccine is not CRISPER since it never does anything to the virus.
 
anatta said:
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the PRESENCE of a vaxx, causes a mutation - i would ASS U ME that the mutation is caused by the virus attempting to overcome the vaxx properties ( stimulation of antibodies) , so no Vaxxes do cause RNA mutations
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The presence of a vaccine doesn't cause a mutation. It changes the environment so a different mutation is the one more likely to survive/thrive.
Evolution doesn't really attempt to overcome anything. (That is simply an attempt to anthropomorphize a process that is random.) It has no direction and can't attempt to do anything. It is simply a matter of which mutation is best suited for the current environment. The mutation may be far from the best possible mutation but is only the best one that actually occurred.
 
Darth Omar said:
For nearly a year, the CCP Virus plodded along without producing any variants until the vaccines came on the scene—and then boom.

Coincidence? Or are the vaccines stimulating evolutionary changes in the COVID19 genome?
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Wrong! variants were here before the vaccine and there are probably more we have not even discovered yet.
 
anatta said:
JFC. take you stupidity elsewhere.
virus are never "eradicated" - the population acquires herd immunity, and therefore the hosts are so restricted in number the virus is no longer in wide circulation - ending the pandemic
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Smallpox has disappeared from the face of the earth. You never, ever get anything right. You'd think the blind squirrel analogy would help you, but apparently not.
 
Yakuda said:
It may not be but I wouldn't put it past these miserable fucks to have a whole stable of "variants" ready to unleash on the world so they can continue their control over everyone's lives. What the past year and a half has taught them is they have sufficiently softened up the population and can basically make most Americans do exactly what they want them to do. The sheeple lined up to turn over their freedoms. It's a tyrants dream come true. No bloodshed just steady body punches that eventually wore down their opponents desire to fight back.
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They want to control everyone's life by having them put on a mask? or to give them a vaccine? What sort of benefit does anyone get by doing that? You are just plain fucking stupid, the masks were to prevent people from contracting covid as much as possible and the vaccine was to save as many lives as possible.
 
anatta said:
you TOTALLY blew right past acquired immunity from COVID exposure.

What we learned thanks to ARCHIVES is that the vaxx itself drives mutations - (although im pretty sure the RNA replication process is where most mutations happen) ;you post is full of fallacies and incomplete data
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NO. NO. A thousand times no. Vaccines do not ever, under any circumstance, cause mutations. Try again. One day, you might actually say something that's true.
 
anatta said:
no there is a lamda variant as well
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And an Indian variant, and a south African variant and a British variant. we don't know how many variants are out there and most tests can't tell the difference between them. Someone has to do the research to identify a new variant and then another test to identify it conclusively. We have only scratched the surface as of yet. We can only hope we don't have one that varies enough to make our vaccines not be effective.
 
Darth Omar said:
For nearly a year, the CCP Virus plodded along without producing any variants until the vaccines came on the scene—and then boom.

Coincidence? Or are the vaccines stimulating evolutionary changes in the COVID19 genome?
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Into the Night said:
If it changes, it's no longer covid19. Any change will do. I suppose you could call each variant covid20, covid21, covid22, etc. However, there are very few variants in the Covid/SARS series of viruses (as series go). This 'variant' bullshit is obviously a political ploy to keep the Church of Covid party rolling right along.
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If the "variants" came around earlier on, when nobody was vaccinated yet, then Demonkkkrats wouldn't've been able to demonize the unvaccinated for the existence and spread of those "variants". COVID tyranny is a carefully orchestrated political ploy.

Thus, I am choosing to be truthful by purposely referring to any so called "variants" as "Midterm variants".
 
Darth Omar said:
You don’t know what you’re talking about lol.

You keep contradicting yourself. Streptomycin resistant strains don’t occur in the wild because—as you said yourself, the mutation which confers resistance to Streptomycin is useless in the wild. If the strain did happen to pop up, the mutation would quickly be ‘selected out’ in several generations because that particular mutation provides no survival advantage in the wild.

The so-called ‘super bugs’ are only ‘super’ in an environment where antibiotics are commonly used—especially hospitals. In fact, it’s commonly thought that antibiotic resistant bacteria would disappear if antibiotics fell out of use. I can’t think of why that wouldn’t be true.

I’ve taken my share of ‘biology courses’ but thanks for enquiring.
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Try to learn how these new vaccines work vs. the old FLU vaccines!

That will probably get you up to speed with what you need to know- and give you the confidence in them that you will acquire!

The SARS virus was such a deadly and communicable virus threat- Medical Science knew they had to change their game plan on how VACCINES work.

So because of that, they were pretty much ready to provide a vaccination to attack Covid Viruses! They just had to get it through the testing phase- and they did it in less than a year!
 
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Yakuda said:
It may not be but I wouldn't put it past these miserable fucks to have a whole stable of "variants" ready to unleash on the world so they can continue their control over everyone's lives. What the past year and a half has taught them is they have sufficiently softened up the population and can basically make most Americans do exactly what they want them to do. The sheeple lined up to turn over their freedoms. It's a tyrants dream come true. No bloodshed just steady body punches that eventually wore down their opponents desire to fight back.
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The sad thing is that these fabled "variants" don't even have to actually exist... Demonkkkrats need only CLAIM that they exist and the sheeple will just go along with it...
 
Yakuda said:
Oh oh inserting facts again. The Nevilles hate facts
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Google is your friend dumbshit.

Lambda COVID variant: All you need to know about the new UK coronavirus strain
The Lambda variant, also known as the C.37 strain, was first detected in Peru in August 2020, and it was classified as a variant of interest at the global level by the World Health Organization (WHO) on 15 June 2021.

This means the WHO consider it to have mutations with established, or suspected, implications for its transmissibility and severity, and has been detected in multiple countries.
https://www.sciencefocus.com/news/lambda-variant/
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https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/08/health/lambda-variant-covid-peru.html
https://www.medpagetoday.com/special-reports/exclusives/93458
https://www.health.com/condition/infectious-diseases/coronavirus/lambda-variant
https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/the-...canada-here-s-what-you-need-to-know-1.6093411


Na, there is no such thing as the Lambda variant. I swear you rightwingers are dense.
 
Darth Omar said:
Why do you persist in talking to me and about me if you’ve *allegedly* got me on ‘hide from’?

There are at least two variants, Einstein, and since there’s no peer reviewed literature to back your ‘excuse’ the hypothesis in the OP stands not refuted.
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There are four notable variants in the United States:

B.1.1.7 (Alpha): This variant was first detected in the United States in December 2020. It was initially detected in the United Kingdom.

B.1.351 (Beta): This variant was first detected in the United States at the end of January 2021. It was initially detected in South Africa in December 2020.

P.1 (Gamma): This variant was first detected in the United States in January 2021. P.1 was initially identified in travelers from Brazil, who were tested during routine screening at an airport in Japan, in early January.

B.1.617.2 (Delta): This variant was first detected in the United States in March 2021. It was initially identified in India in December 2020.
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And that is an older link, we are at least up to Lambda by now.
 
Darth Omar said:
No variants in nine months. Vaccines come out and there are [at least] two variants in the next six.

You don’t find this to be curious?
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Not at all, totally expected. Are you saying somebody is inventing these things to get you to take the vaccine? What the fuck for?
 
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