See ya, Matt

TOP said:
It used to be that if a woman believed that a man was being inappropriate towards her, she knew how to deal with it... and did. What happened? We're talking about "harassment", not a vicious assault/rape, btw...
And the truth. Not a story made up to ruin someone's life because they hurt your feelings or slapped your rear end 20 or 30 years ago...
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What gives any man, or woman for that matter, the right to "slap your rear end" and not get called out for it? Do Y O U allow it and shrug it off?
 
TTQ64 said:
No process. Right to work means they don't need a process, they can fire you for anything they want.
What part of that don't you understand?
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Maybe the confusion lies in the fact that some of these characters, at least the non-elected ones like Cosby, Weinstein, Lauer, etc., have employment contracts rather than are classified as "at-will" employees like we non-contract folks are. If so, the criteria to fire that person would be even higher than it would be for us.
 
christiefan915 said:
That's just sick. In case you forgot, trump was accused of rape also.

Trump has been accused of rape and attempted rape a total of three times, once involving an alleged victim who was a year younger than Moore's accuser.

In 1994, Trump went to a party with Jeffrey Epstein, a billionaire who was a notorious registered sex offender, and raped a 13-year-old girl that night in what was a "savage sexual attack," according to a lawsuit filed in June 2016 by "Jane Doe." The account was corroborated by a witness in the suit, who claimed to have watched as the child performed various sexual acts on Trump and Epstein even after the two were advised she was a minor."

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http://www.newsweek.com/donald-trum...-minor-wife-business-victims-roy-moore-713531
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Ok. Maybe I wasn't clear in saying I didn't vote for Trump and if you find any post where I said people should vote for Trump I'll send you a $100.

You are defending Hillary's behavior. Like TTQ64 said, maybe white women do deserve it.
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
Maybe the confusion lies in the fact that some of these characters, at least the non-elected ones like Cosby, Weinstein, Lauer, etc., have employment contracts rather than are classified as "at-will" employees like we non-contract folks are. If so, the criteria to fire that person would be even higher than it would be for us.
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You're being kind but you dont need to dumb yourself down to explain it. We all know right to work is about unions. It is not employment at will.
 
TTQ64 said:
Both have the same intention. To be able to fire Blacks and minorities without a reason.
Are you suggesting I work for the government?
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Even in states with either at-will or right-to-work laws, employers cannot fire someone *only* based on their gender, race, religion, age. Those are still protected classes of citizens. OTOH, by way of example, if a company decided that the women working on the factory floor were being a liability, they could possibly pick them off one by one by firing them for well-documented things like absenteeism, inability to perform duties for which she was hired, etc. If the company tried to just lay them off all at once, the EEOC would be in its face on behalf of the fired employees.

The main purpose of right-to-work laws is to prevent unionization, and crush existing unions out of existence.
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
Maybe the confusion lies in the fact that some of these characters, at least the non-elected ones like Cosby, Weinstein, Lauer, etc., have employment contracts rather than are classified as "at-will" employees like we non-contract folks are. If so, the criteria to fire that person would be even higher than it would be for us.
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My only real point is corporations lobby for laws to ensure they do what they want, even fire people.

I could really give two shits about Matt or any other molester.

Oh and I think these recent accusers are getting away with their crimes. Cosby and Nelly were arrested for their accusations.
 
cawacko said:
Ok. Maybe I wasn't clear in saying I didn't vote for Trump and if you find any post where I said people should vote for Trump I'll send you a $100.

You are defending Hillary's behavior. Like TTQ64 said, maybe white women do deserve it.
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Here you go. Lying on me again.
 
This is getting seriously fucking stupid, Garrison Keillor was fired for touching a woman's back. She said that she was fine with it and that was that, until he received a letter from a lawyer smelling money!! You lot are truly truly sick, complete fucking lunatics,

MINNEAPOLIS (AP) — Garrison Keillor, the former host of “A Prairie Home Companion,” said Wednesday he has been fired by Minnesota Public Radio over allegations of what the network called improper behavior.

Keillor told The Associated Press he was fired over “a story that I think is more interesting and more complicated than the version MPR heard.” Keillor didn’t detail the allegation to AP, but he told the Minneapolis Star Tribune he had put his hand on a woman’s bare back when trying to console her.

“I meant to pat her back after she told me about her unhappiness, and her shirt was open and my hand went up it about six inches. She recoiled. I apologized,” Keillor told the newspaper in an email. “I sent her an email of apology later, and she replied that she had forgiven me and not to think about it. We were friends. We continued to be friendly right up until her lawyer called.”
Minnesota Public Radio confirmed it had terminated contracts with Keillor after receiving a single allegation against him last month of “inappropriate behavior.” MPR said the allegation stemmed from Keillor’s conduct when he was producing and hosting “A Prairie Home Companion.”

MPR said it knew of no other allegations but had retained an outside law firm that continues to investigate. Keillor didn’t say when the alleged incident occurred. In his statement to AP, Keillor said it was “poetic irony to be knocked off the air by a story, having told so many of them myself. But I’m 75 and don’t have any interest in arguing about this. And I cannot in conscience bring danger to a great organization I’ve worked hard for since 1969.”

Keillor retired as host of the long-running public radio variety show in 2016. He hand-picked his successor, mandolinist and frequent musical guest Chris Thile, who is now in his second season as “Prairie Home” host. After Keillor retired, Keillor continued to work with MPR on other projects.

Thile tweeted Wednesday that he was “in shock” by the firing. He said he knew nothing about the allegation, adding: “I trust that the proper steps are being taken.” Sue Scott, a longtime voice actor on the radio show until Keillor stepped down, told the AP she was stunned. She said she saw no evidence of inappropriate behavior by him when she was on the show.

Fans also were shocked by the news. Cindy Dina, of the Minneapolis suburb of Forest Lake, said she frequently listened when Keillor hosted the show and admired Keillor, calling him “iconic.”
“It’s just one more, wow,” she said, adding that she hoped the continuous allegations against high-profile men would send a strong message to all men.

The firing Wednesday came shortly after Keillor, an avowed Democrat, wrote a syndicated column that ridiculed the idea that Minnesota Sen. Al Franken should resign over allegations of sexual harassment.

MPR said the name of the show, produced and distributed nationwide by American Public Media, would be changed. The show has been named “A Prairie Home Companion” for more than 40 years. MPR also said it would end distribution of “The Writer’s Almanac,” Keillor’s daily reading of a poem and telling of literary events, and end rebroadcasts of “The Best of A Prairie Home Companion” hosted by Keillor.

Keillor started “A Prairie Home Companion” as a Saturday evening show in 1974, featuring tales of his fictional Minnesota hometown of Lake Wobegon “where all the women are strong, all the men are good-looking, and all the children are above average.”

The show featured musical acts, folksy humor, parody ads for fake products such as Powdermilk Biscuits and the centerpiece, Keillor delivering a seemingly off-the-cuff monologue, “The News From Lake Wobegon,” in his rich baritone voice.

“A person could not hope for more than what I was given,” Keillor said in his statement Wednesday to AP. Keillor bowed out with a final show at the Hollywood Bowl in July 2016, and turned the show over to Thile, a frequent “Prairie Home” guest musician. Keillor has been working on a Lake Wobegon screenplay and a memoir about growing up in Minnesota.
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https://www.apnews.com/a471efc6700f406c9d8ac2e5037cfe9b
 
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noise said:
I understand how HR works..duh.
What you are missing is these are allegations -how can they be "verified" in such a short time span? like 24 hours?

Fear of lawsuits is not an excuse to terminate an otherwise honest and productive employee.
In fact if there was a process; lawsuits would wait until after some reconciliations between the facts and the allegations.

Suppose this was all smoke and mirrors? after all you are advocating termination without even a careful look at the evidence, and a chance for the employee to respond!

Go thru a process. a week or 2 doesn't matter.
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NBC was investigating Lauer since October, it didn't happen overnight.
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
Even in states with either at-will or right-to-work laws, employers cannot fire someone *only* based on their gender, race, religion, age. Those are still protected classes of citizens. OTOH, by way of example, if a company decided that the women working on the factory floor were being a liability, they could possibly pick them off one by one by firing them for well-documented things like absenteeism, inability to perform duties for which she was hired, etc. If the company tried to just lay them off all at once, the EEOC would be in its face on behalf of the fired employees.

The main purpose of right-to-work laws is to prevent unionization, and crush existing unions out of existence.
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And without unions, they can do what they want. Hence, the reason for right to work and at will.
 
christiefan915 said:
What gives any man, or woman for that matter, the right to "slap your rear end" and not get called out for it? Do Y O U allow it and shrug it off?
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No, she prays for it on a daily basis. lol

The problem with that "slap on the ass" is that it creates a hostile work environment.... if not stopped by management, people get the idea that it's okay. That frequently leads to escalation of the unwanted behavior.

I had a drunken boss grab my boob in front of a customer one day. I decked him. Today if that had happened he most likely would have been fired, and I could possibly have been arrested for assault. Much better to have rules of behavior in place before this kind of things gets going. BTW, he did that to my married co-worker as well; her husband settled his hash.
 
cawacko said:
Ok. Maybe I wasn't clear in saying I didn't vote for Trump and if you find any post where I said people should vote for Trump I'll send you a $100.

You are defending Hillary's behavior. Like TTQ64 said, maybe white women do deserve it.
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I know you didn't vote for trump, that wasn't the point. I'm criticizing your repetition of the RW talking point that Hillary is a "rape enabler." trump was accused of rape, guess that means his wives at the time enabled him.
 
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