Dems now begging Al Franken to UNRESIGN

Yaya said:
I called it, the whole moral high ground stuff was nothing but a cheap political ploy.

Dems are morally bankrupt.
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You don't get to say that while grab her by the pussy in chief is in office.

Republicans are the morally bankrupts, supporting plutocracy and poverty for the masses to the rich can have all the power and money.
 
Craig234 said:
You don't get to say that while grab her by the pussy in chief is in office.

Republicans are the morally bankrupts, supporting plutocracy and poverty for the masses to the rich can have all the power and money.
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Supporting poverty for the masses? Again, why do we have the highest poverty rate in California if that's the case?
 
cawacko said:
Supporting poverty for the masses? Again, why do we have the highest poverty rate in California if that's the case?
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You don't listen, and I'm not interested in repeating. Try sticking to the topic - the Republican national agenda of plutocracy.
 
Craig234 said:
You don't listen, and I'm not interested in repeating. Try sticking to the topic - the Republican national agenda of plutocracy.
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Actually I do listen. And what you are saying isn't any different than what democrats have been saying about republicans for decades. You just don't like it when you get some truth thrown in your face.

If democrats were as caring and compassionate as you like to claim we wouldn't have the wealth inequality we do in California or the highest poverty rate.

I know pro growth tax measures are anathema to Bernie supporters. But if it will make you feel better rich folks in California will pay more in taxes
 
cawacko said:
Actually I do listen. And what you are saying isn't any different than what democrats have been saying about republicans for decades. You just don't like it when you get some truth thrown in your face.

If democrats were as caring and compassionate as you like to claim we wouldn't have the wealth inequality we do in California or the highest poverty rate.

I know pro growth tax measures are anathema to Bernie supporters. But if it will make you feel better rich folks in California will pay more in taxes
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"Actually I do listen. And what you are saying isn't any different than what democrats have been saying about republicans for decades. You just don't like it when you get some truth thrown in your face. "

Dishonest idiocy and as far as I read. You're not worth reading if you don't do better.
 
Nomad said:
Trickle down economics doesn't.
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No, it doesn't. This is the big lie of Republicans.

They take a narrow truth - that when tax rates are very high, cutting them can be good for the economy - and lie by perverting it to the claim that all tax cuts are always good for the economy.

So, they'll take a tax cut of a trillion dollars, which almost entirely goes into the pockets of the rich, and creates $25 billion of economic growth, and adds $990 billion to the national debt, and claim it paid for itself.

They lie by conflating the word growth with things it doesn't mean. Because of the small amount of growth tax cuts today give, they simply call it 'pro-growth' and pretend it's good economics. They rightly point out that growth is important for the economy and paying off debt - and then do the anti-growth policy of tax cuts for the rich instead of what actually brings growth - more wealth broadly - and they keep adding to the debt and spending on their donors like the military contractors and big pharma.
 
Nomad said:
Show us where Franken said the words "I PROMISE to resign".

And BTW, Trumptard promised all kinds of things that he hasn't delivered on.

You don't seem the least bit bothered by that though.
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Pleeeeease! Pleeeeeeease! ... let Fish Lips stay!

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Are you OK? Franken is a goner. He resigned. Dems are unhappy because he did his job very well and would have grilled the Republican in the Judicial hearings better than anyone else. There is nothing phony of his resignation. Just what you pretend is knowledge. sad.
 
Craig234 said:
No, it doesn't. This is the big lie of Republicans.

They take a narrow truth - that when tax rates are very high, cutting them can be good for the economy - and lie by perverting it to the claim that all tax cuts are always good for the economy.

So, they'll take a tax cut of a trillion dollars, which almost entirely goes into the pockets of the rich, and creates $25 billion of economic growth, and adds $990 billion to the national debt, and claim it paid for itself.

They lie by conflating the word growth with things it doesn't mean. Because of the small amount of growth tax cuts today give, they simply call it 'pro-growth' and pretend it's good economics. They rightly point out that growth is important for the economy and paying off debt - and then do the anti-growth policy of tax cuts for the rich instead of what actually brings growth - more wealth broadly - and they keep adding to the debt and spending on their donors like the military contractors and big pharma.
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We can look at the '70's and the Keynesian approach under Nixon, Ford and Carter and see what a failure that was. Reagan, along with Volker, turned that around and outside his first two years in office so did Clinton. Then we go back to Keynesian policies under Obama and we have the weakest economic recovery since WWII.
 
Tax rates are at 60 year lows. Not high. Corporation profits are at all time highs now. The fact is that money goes into buying back stock and executive bonuses.Corporation taxes are actually about 12 to 18 percent now. They do not pay the top rate.

What creates jobs? Demand. If a company cannot keep up with demand they hire more workers and think about expanding. If they are making a lot of money and are keeping up with demand, they will just keep the money. If you think tax cuts to corporations will make your life better you are dreaming. However elevating the min. wage would increase demand. It would put pressure on companies to hire.
 
cawacko said:
We can look at the '70's and the Keynesian approach under Nixon, Ford and Carter and see what a failure that was. Reagan, along with Volker, turned that around and outside his first two years in office so did Clinton. Then we go back to Keynesian policies under Obama and we have the weakest economic recovery since WWII.
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Keynesian was lost WAAAY before any of your examples. The first real change was under Reagan but even then it was a weak assed transition. Nixon was key on one thing though the shift to a non gold standard economy. The problem was that MMT was half assed implemented. They took the economy off gold and floated it but tied it still to the false limitations of a non existent gold standard. Ford then Carter and finally Reagan worked within that paradigm. A false paradigm but hey it's what people knew. The only difference with Reagan was that he cut things in the government then decided to borrow on the non existent debt that was based on the old gold standard construct. Creating the deficit fallacy. To this day we believe the fallacy that deficits matter. Of course one of Nixons early progenies stated the little truth, 'deficits don't matter', Cheney. Turns out Cheney's right but for the wrong reasons. Deficits do not matter, Keynesian is right POST Nixon, POST the gold standard and was simply ahead of his time. In the MMT post gold standard era we either embrace it fully as it truly is, a system of abstract economic structure or live in the half assed mentality we live in and argue from where we think the gold standard exits except where it doesn't for political expediency. The modern economic system has been hijacked by partisan bullshit. It's time to move on and realize some facts. The modern economic system is being gamed by big monied asshole that get both sides to cut each others throats so they can control, YOU. By playing on the collective ignorance of a post gold standard economy. In reality, we are the owners of our economic system. It IS Keynesian at it's core and up to us the consumer/laborer/paycheck guy to define it not legacy economics.
 
Craig234 said:
No, it doesn't. This is the big lie of Republicans.

They take a narrow truth - that when tax rates are very high, cutting them can be good for the economy - and lie by perverting it to the claim that all tax cuts are always good for the economy.

So, they'll take a tax cut of a trillion dollars, which almost entirely goes into the pockets of the rich, and creates $25 billion of economic growth, and adds $990 billion to the national debt, and claim it paid for itself.

They lie by conflating the word growth with things it doesn't mean. Because of the small amount of growth tax cuts today give, they simply call it 'pro-growth' and pretend it's good economics. They rightly point out that growth is important for the economy and paying off debt - and then do the anti-growth policy of tax cuts for the rich instead of what actually brings growth - more wealth broadly - and they keep adding to the debt and spending on their donors like the military contractors and big pharma.
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Your entire premise is illogical, flawed and lacking in any coherent understanding of basic economic principles.

But other than that, good job

Next time invoke your JPP 5th Amendment Right to not incriminate yourself as a dumbass
 
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