The Weaponization of the EPA Is Over: An Exclusive Interview With Scott Pruitt

domer76 said:
What does that reference have anything to do with me, punk? I guess you do need to pull stuff out of your ass.

Study? You mean find farmer John and see what a little rainfall will do to the shit that he pours on his field? lol. You really demonstrate your massive ignorance of the entire issue. And especially of the rule-making process.

When I googled WOTUS, know what first hit I got? The American Farm Bureau Federation. You know. That lobbyist group. No thanks, dumbfuck. I'll stick with the scientists in places like the EPA who don't stand to have massive financial gains.
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You really don't understand WOTUS at all. According to the rule my property is under EPA jurisdiction because it is within 4,000 ft. of a tributary (Campbell Creek). I'm no farmer, just a homeowner no different than the guy down the street.
Anyway it's a moot point. WOTUS is dead because rational heads are in charge. Even if the old EPA existed it never would have passed muster in the courts.
Next topic, statist.
 
aloysious said:
You really don't understand WOTUS at all. According to the rule my property is under EPA jurisdiction because it is within 4,000 ft. of a tributary (Campbell Creek). I'm no farmer, just a homeowner no different than the guy down the street.
Anyway it's a moot point. WOTUS is dead because rational heads are in charge. Even if the old EPA existed it never would have passed muster in the courts.
Next topic, statist.
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So? What are you doing that violates EPA regulations? Do you have any idea what Old MacDonald is putting into Campbell Creek that can impact your property? Or do you just not give a shit?
 
015-05-29 | Chava McKeel, GCSAA - May 2015
The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency and the Army Corps of Engineers have released a final Clean Water Rule (WOTUS rule) that includes expanded jurisdiction for the agency. It will take effect 60 days after publication in the Federal Register, which is anticipated in early June.

Under this final rule, many golf course water bodies may now come under federal jurisdiction including rivers, streams, creeks, wetlands, ponds, ditches and ephemeral drainages (land that looks like a small stream during heavy rain but isn’t wet most of the time). Golf courses that have these waters on them or near them will likely be required to obtain costly, federal permits for any land management activities or land use decisions in, over or near them such as pesticide and fertilizer applications and stream bank restorations and the moving of dirt.

GCSAA and the Waters Advocacy Coalition believe this final Clean Water Rule represents a significant expansion of federal jurisdiction beyond current practices and the limitations affirmed by the Supreme Court. Under the final rule, any water that might impact another water appears to be protected under the CWA.
http://www.nogcsa.com/Media/EPA-Finalizes-the-Clean-Water-Act-(WOTUS)-Rule-115C18.html?LayoutID=6
 
ntermittent and Ephemeral Streams and Ditches
Justice Scalia writing for the plurality in the Supreme Court's Rapanos decision stipulated that intermittent and ephemeral streams are not "waters of the United States" and therefore are not-regulated under Section 404 of the Clean Water Act:

“…The phrase “the waters of the United States” includes only those relatively permanent, standing or continuously flowing bodies of water “forming geographic features” that are described in ordinary parlance as “streams,” “oceans, rivers, [and] lakes,” Webster’s New International Dictionary 2882 (2d ed.), and does not include channels through which water flows intermittently or ephemerally, or channels that periodically provide drainage for rainfall…”

Intermittent streams - have flowing water periods during the wet season (winter-spring) but are normally dry during hot summer months. Intermittent streams do not have continuous flowing water year-round and are not "relatively permanent waters."

Ephemeral streams - have less flow than intermittent streams, are typically shallow, and have flowing water for brief periods in response to rainfall. Ephemeral streams and ditches are normally dry for most of the year. Most of the inland ditches and streams within the greater Houston area have the flow characteristics of an ephemeral stream. Since 2011, rainfall has been below normal and this has caused many local streams and ditches to exhibit well-defined ephemeral characteristics.

Despite the Rapanos decision, the EPA and Corps of Engineers have resisted the Supreme Court and continue to assert regulatory jurisdiction over intermittent and ephemeral streams based on unofficial and controversial definitions of regulatory parameters such as "significant nexus."
http://www.wetlandsprofessional.com/intermittent-and-ephemeral-streams.html
 
anatta said:
015-05-29 | Chava McKeel, GCSAA - May 2015
The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency and the Army Corps of Engineers have released a final Clean Water Rule (WOTUS rule) that includes expanded jurisdiction for the agency. It will take effect 60 days after publication in the Federal Register, which is anticipated in early June.

Under this final rule, many golf course water bodies may now come under federal jurisdiction including rivers, streams, creeks, wetlands, ponds, ditches and ephemeral drainages (land that looks like a small stream during heavy rain but isn’t wet most of the time). Golf courses that have these waters on them or near them will likely be required to obtain costly, federal permits for any land management activities or land use decisions in, over or near them such as pesticide and fertilizer applications and stream bank restorations and the moving of dirt.

GCSAA and the Waters Advocacy Coalition believe this final Clean Water Rule represents a significant expansion of federal jurisdiction beyond current practices and the limitations affirmed by the Supreme Court. Under the final rule, any water that might impact another water appears to be protected under the CWA.
http://www.nogcsa.com/Media/EPA-Finalizes-the-Clean-Water-Act-(WOTUS)-Rule-115C18.html?LayoutID=6
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There’s a county next door that is in a rural area. Lots of upscale homes. All on wells for their drinking water source. Upgradient from them is a golf course. Their wells all test high for nitrates, but the surrounding area does not. Amazing, huh?
 
domer76 said:
There’s a county next door that is in a rural area. Lots of upscale homes. All on wells for their drinking water source. Upgradient from them is a golf course. Their wells all test high for nitrates, but the surrounding area does not. Amazing, huh?
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it could also be septic tanks. If you are on well water, chances are you have no sewer drainage.

But the point is the JURISDICTION. States and localities are perfectly able to regulate -
even where the EPA sets standards ( and they do for nitrates as well).

If some country bumpkin on well water or a local golf course- have to deal with a remote/hostile federal bureaucracy it becomes expensive and time consuming..many times lawyers are needed.

Better to contact your local or state officials -they are locally involved,and should be able to problem solve real problems..
If not go to courts, assuming you have a winning situation..the last thing anyone wants to do is go thru the EPA
 
Domer is a massive bastard, he ignores me yet feels happy enough to make comments in my thread. Another one for the shitheap.

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domer76 said:
So? What are you doing that violates EPA regulations? Do you have any idea what Old MacDonald is putting into Campbell Creek that can impact your property? Or do you just not give a shit?
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There is no farmland along Campbelll Creek. Only muni parkland and residential which Obama wanted under federal jurisdiction. It was an attempted power grab by the Central Planning Committee. Now go collect your welfare check which doesn't amount to half of what I pay in taxes. You can thank me for supporting you and another sloth like you.
 
noise said:
it could also be septic tanks. If you are on well water, chances are you have no sewer drainage.

But the point is the JURISDICTION. States and localities are perfectly able to regulate -
even where the EPA sets standards ( and they do for nitrates as well).

If some country bumpkin on well water or a local golf course- have to deal with a remote/hostile federal bureaucracy it becomes expensive and time consuming..many times lawyers are needed.

Better to contact your local or state officials -they are locally involved,and should be able to problem solve real problems..
If not go to courts, assuming you have a winning situation..the last thing anyone wants to do is go thru the EPA
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There’s another rural area in my county. Down gradient, quite aways, more than shitweasel’s 4000 feet, from the landfill that's been there for many years. Their well water is loaded with trichloroethylene. Amazing, huh?

Re: septic tanks on the other. Sorry, no coliform bacteria counts.

However, the point is being missed, which is how connected sources are to the sites they contaminate and that the pollutants don’t give a shit about jurisdictional boundaries.
 
aloysious said:
There is no farmland along Campbelll Creek. Only muni parkland and residential which Obama wanted under federal jurisdiction. It was an attempted power grab by the Central Planning Committee. Now go collect your welfare check which doesn't amount to half of what I pay in taxes. You can thank me for supporting you and another sloth like you.
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WHOOSH!
 
Havana Moon said:
Notwithstanding that you're telling the truth, which is unlikely, what the fuck does that have to with a bunch of remote bureaucrats? It is a state level problem and has nothing with people at federal level.
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WTF is whoosh! supposed to signify anyway? I thought that was dumber's attempt at acquiescence .
 
aloysious said:
WTF is whoosh! supposed to signify anyway? I thought that was dumber's attempt at acquiescence .
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Trying to imply that he is some kind of higher order human I suppose, rather than something you might want to scrape off your shoe.

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domer76 said:
There’s another rural area in my county. Down gradient, quite aways, more than shitweasel’s 4000 feet, from the landfill that's been there for many years. Their well water is loaded with trichloroethylene. Amazing, huh?

Re: septic tanks on the other. Sorry, no coliform bacteria counts.

However, the point is being missed, which is how connected sources are to the sites they contaminate and that the pollutants don’t give a shit about jurisdictional boundaries.
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you are missing the point that the well being of aquifiers and stream/lakes is well established protocol
(balance of powers)

It is amazing and disheartening both to see you think only the EPA can regulate waters.
But then again that is EXACTLY the same over-reach the EPA engaged in under Obama's WOTUS

Obama supporters simply have no cares towards federalism
 
noise said:
you are missing the point that the well being of aquifiers and stream/lakes is well established protocol
(balance of powers)

It is amazing and disheartening both to see you think only the EPA can regulate waters.
But then again that is EXACTLY the same over-reach the EPA engaged in under Obama's WOTUS

Obama supporters simply have no cares towards federalism
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There are superfund sites all over the country that states can't or won't clean up their own sites.

Remember Duke?

"North Carolina on Tuesday ordered Duke Energy Corp to plug a leak of contaminated wastewater from a decommissioned power plant, which authorities in the state said might be leaking into a river that supplies drinking water. The arsenic-laced discharge from a 36-inch stormwater pipe was the second this month from beneath a coal ash dump at the Eden plant."

Know how this kind of shit happens? Because states often look the other way or simply don't have the resources to take care of things.

Lastly, dumbfuck. This has NOTHING to do with Obama. It has EVERYTHING to do with keeping garbage out of my grandkids' water supplies.
 
domer76 said:
There are superfund sites all over the country that states can't or won't clean up their own sites.

Remember Duke?

"North Carolina on Tuesday ordered Duke Energy Corp to plug a leak of contaminated wastewater from a decommissioned power plant, which authorities in the state said might be leaking into a river that supplies drinking water. The arsenic-laced discharge from a 36-inch stormwater pipe was the second this month from beneath a coal ash dump at the Eden plant."

Know how this kind of shit happens? Because states often look the other way or simply don't have the resources to take care of things.

Lastly, dumbfuck. This has NOTHING to do with Obama. It has EVERYTHING to do with keeping garbage out of my grandkids' water supplies.
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my gawd you are ignorant ..Why are you bringing up superfunds? Those are for designated environmental emergencies.
where is that relevance to an ephemeral stream/ditch? Or even intrastate waters/tributaries?

You get all emotional - which is typical of liberals- instead of thinking out the problems.

Generally the states DO effective regulations. Local inspectors can even look for pollution sources
and get them fined and cleaned up. Rivers and streams are monitored to be kept clean

FOR WHAT PURPOSE do you want the EPA regulating minor/state waters? they are a FEDERAL agency!

States have been regulating intrastate waters for years, WOTUS was over-reach into their purview
 
noise said:
my gawd you are ignorant ..Why are you bringing up superfunds? Those are for designated environmental emergencies.
where is that relevance to an ephemeral stream/ditch? Or even intrastate waters/tributaries?

You get all emotional - which is typical of liberals- instead of thinking out the problems.

Generally the states DO effective regulations. Local inspectors can even look for pollution sources
and get them fined and cleaned up. Rivers and streams are monitored to be kept clean

FOR WHAT PURPOSE do you want the EPA regulating minor/state waters? they are a FEDERAL agency!

States have been regulating intrastate waters for years, WOTUS was over-reach into their purview
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He is totally incapable of having a civilised discussion, complete and utter arsehole!

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noise said:
my gawd you are ignorant ..Why are you bringing up superfunds? Those are for designated environmental emergencies.
where is that relevance to an ephemeral stream/ditch? Or even intrastate waters/tributaries?

You get all emotional - which is typical of liberals- instead of thinking out the problems.

Generally the states DO effective regulations. Local inspectors can even look for pollution sources
and get them fined and cleaned up. Rivers and streams are monitored to be kept clean

FOR WHAT PURPOSE do you want the EPA regulating minor/state waters? they are a FEDERAL agency!

States have been regulating intrastate waters for years, WOTUS was over-reach into their purview
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No, pally, you’re the naive and ignorant one. I gave Duke as a perfect example of states not taking care of business. You brought up golf courses and I gave another example. Only states that are more progressive and concerned about environmental protection take initiative.

Businesses, including ag, will dump shit into the environment as long as they can get away with it. When getting away with it benefits the state, you get abuses. That simple.
 
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