The battle over Trump, which side is winning?

Darth Omar said:
One of the reasons I voted for Trump was because I trusted in his nationalism.

It’s been made into a dirty word, but nationalism means not engaging in foreign affairs unless there’s a compelling *national* interest. It’s America first.

A Rubio or Jeb! would have gone along with the flow instead of standing up to the military/foreign policy establishment. Same ditto with Hillary.

And that establishment is infested with people who are addicted to regime change. I actually think Obama knew better but he lacked the gonads to stand up to them and he wound up wearing the warmonger label on account of it.

But Trump has his own vision and he will stand up to them. The left needs to check their TDS and back him.
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You O.D. On the Kool Aid,Trump is about Trump!
 
Trump has war with Iran and North Korea on his to do list. What makes anyone think he is not a war monger? He will likely start a war to stay in power. Trump pays no attention to other peoples lives. The rest of the world exists to make him great again.
 
Nordberg said:
Trump has war with Iran and North Korea on his to do list. What makes anyone think he is not a war monger? He will likely start a war to stay in power. Trump pays no attention to other peoples lives. The rest of the world exists to make him great again.
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Take another puff, maybe it will calm your nerves lol.

Trump is no warmonger. If he was, he wouldn’t want out of Syria.

Is he threatening NK with war? Absolutely. And Rocket Man takes the threat seriously.

I’ll guarantee he was pulling for Hillary because even though Hillary liked her warmongering, she would never warmonger NK because of China. Hillary would have done exactly like past presidents and kicked Rocket Man down the road until he finally was able to deliver a nuke that could survive re-entry into the atmosphere.

And then NK could start calling the shots. Thankfully, Trump beat Hillary so there’s an excellent chance that was averted.
 
katzgar said:
If you think Kadafi ran a successful Libya you're a moron.
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look at this asshat.

https://www.counterpunch.org/2015/1...afi-to-terrorist-haven-after-us-intervention/
In 1967 Colonel Gaddafi inherited one of the poorest nations in Africa; by the time he was assassinated, he had transformed Libya into Africa’s richest nation. Prior to the US-led bombing campaign in 2011, Libya had the highest Human Development Index, the lowest infant mortality and the highest life expectancy in all of Africa.

Today, Libya is a failed state. Western military intervention has caused all of the worst-scenarios: Western embassies have all left, the South of the country has become a haven for ISIS terrorists, and the Northern coast a center of migrant trafficking. Egypt, Algeria and Tunisia have all closed their borders with Libya. This all occurs amidst a backdrop of widespread rape, assassinations and torture that complete the picture of a state that is failed to the bone.

Libya currently has two competing governments, two parliaments, two sets of rivaling claims to control over the central bank and the national oil company, no functioning national police or army, and the United States now believes that ISIS is running training camps across large swathes of the country.
 
noise said:
look at this asshat.

https://www.counterpunch.org/2015/1...afi-to-terrorist-haven-after-us-intervention/
In 1967 Colonel Gaddafi inherited one of the poorest nations in Africa; by the time he was assassinated, he had transformed Libya into Africa’s richest nation. Prior to the US-led bombing campaign in 2011, Libya had the highest Human Development Index, the lowest infant mortality and the highest life expectancy in all of Africa.

Today, Libya is a failed state. Western military intervention has caused all of the worst-scenarios: Western embassies have all left, the South of the country has become a haven for ISIS terrorists, and the Northern coast a center of migrant trafficking. Egypt, Algeria and Tunisia have all closed their borders with Libya. This all occurs amidst a backdrop of widespread rape, assassinations and torture that complete the picture of a state that is failed to the bone.

Libya currently has two competing governments, two parliaments, two sets of rivaling claims to control over the central bank and the national oil company, no functioning national police or army, and the United States now believes that ISIS is running training camps across large swathes of the country.
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I was right you are a moron
 
katzgar said:
I was right you are a moron
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No, the morons turned Libya into a basket case where blacks are sold on the open market. Libya was a reasonably successful country by regional standards.

Now it’s the human trafficking capital of the world. Strong work, Hillary and Obama.
 
noise said:
more stupid shit. you are on a roll tonight!

Iraq=guilty

Libya=
not guilty because he based it on the false info from the Obama adm - who agitated for regime change
( Trump did not). Further Hillary to this day defends her role of "smart power" Hilary based her regime change on a promise of democracy from the NTC meeting in Paris..she's a neocon

Afghan-
a very minor increase of SUPPORT troops- NOT ground troops- to act as air cover and tactical support.
Compare that to Obama who escalated in the TENS OF THOUSANDS. then DE-ESCALTED to the point he would not even provide air cover to the ANAF

Syria.
he ended the practice of covert support to the "rebels" which was a DISASTER run by Obama.
The "rebels" ( FSA etc.) were quickly over run by al-Nusra ( al Qaeda)..the result was a strenghtened jihadi
who now had TOW missiles! ( US made).. further his "battlefield autonomy" directive wrapped up ISIS very quickly

buildup:
getting back to pre-sequestor levels. the military readiness and trainingg ability was destroyed by Obama's sequestor.

nukes:
modernization and a warning to Russia that they can be outpspent.
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once again you are talking through your azz
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You never allowed Hillary Clinton any nuanced explanations for her alleged war mongering.

Your word salad of assertions, opinions, and unfounded guess work does not change these simple facts ....

Trump has supported virtually every major military intervention in the last two decades, and as president he has expanded America's perpetual wars, and has pledged one of the most massive peacetime military buildups in our history....while cutting taxes for the rich and proposing to slash spending in all other areas of government authority -- fiscal insanity....and he has put NeoCons and Architects of the Iraq War in positions of major influence.

You know full well that Trump is an authoritarian personality, who fancies himself a quasi-military dictator bent on the pomp and circumstance of Soviet-style military parades, tanks rolling down Pennsylvania avenue, and is a blustering chump who talks incessantly in the lexicon of military violence --- sending armadas, blowing shit up, bombing people back tot he stone age.

Hillary Clinton does not hold a candle to this orange-colored, militaristic, blustering, wanna-be Generalissimo.
 
Jade Dragon said:
New and strange? It fucked the country over with George W Bush. It's not a new thing. Normally when new issues are found in anything changes can be made. For our very livelihoods, or country though, we have to bow to the archaic, even when we discover things wrong. We can't be like anyone else we have to be weird in how we do things. Our country will slowly die out if it can't make changes, because of old ways that people delude themselves into believing work, because it gives them what they want. In truth the majority don't want these things. I wait for the electoral system to screw over the right, so they can piss, and moan despite hypocrisy like always. We embody the antichrist with all our sickness, pride, greed, and hate. Anymore I look at this place as a lost cause, a floundering burden, and a joke of what it's supposed to be.
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Change it. Other than that, it is how it works.
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
Trump definitely still goes on quite a bit about that; just the other day he was once again claiming that Clinton only got more votes because of fraud. Apparently he's in your uneducated category, which of course most of us already knew.
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He is not the brightest that is for sure. That still does not change the way our selection for President works.
 
Darth Omar said:
No, the morons turned Libya into a basket case where blacks are sold on the open market. Libya was a reasonably successful country by regional standards.

Now it’s the human trafficking capital of the world. Strong work, Hillary and Obama.
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you are still a moron. creating an exaggerated reality just so you can hate the colored guy, just more racist crap.
 
Darth Omar said:
No, the racists are selling back Africans as slaves in Libya lol.

Your guy enabled them by toppling Kaddafi.
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See this just comment just shows what a moron you are he's not my guy. You make stuff up because you're delusional and stupid. Trying to pretend Libya is worse now than it was under Kadafi just means you cherry-pick information. Yeah just a dishonest right-wing teabagger uneducated deplorable.
 
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