We Are Not Collecting Enough Taxes. And Still The Debt Rises; Despite Strong Economy.

[Fentoine Lum]

Hello anatta,



Fool's gold. It can't last. And it pretty much only benefits the super-rich.

And it only produces fictitious capital, this bubble will crash too, merely a matter of time.

 

[PoliTalker]

Hello DonaldvoTrumpovich,

We DO NOT have to raise taxes on the rich. Raising taxes should NEVER be the answer. The first option should always be to REDUCE GOVERNMENT SPENDING, not raise taxes.

Says the selfish rich who only think of themselves and could not care less if the government debt breaks the government.

I worked for a government contractor for 10 years and I can tell you without hesitation that the federal government wastes money like you wouldn't believe. It is the most inefficient, wasteful, bureaucratic entity in the history of government.

Every large organization, whether it is government or private sector, which is attempting to meet a lofty goal involving many unknowns, and requiring many many people coordinated together to accomplish, is going to have significant waste.

Why would you want them to take more money out of the private sector by raising taxes and let it be wasted in the deep, dark hole of bureaucracy? That will solve nothing.

The government bureaucracy is a great machine which accomplishes many things which are good for the USA. While doing all this good, another giant factor here is that all of those government workers and contractors are earning paychecks out of all that government spending, and they are using their money to contribute to the economy. Tax money paid to the government is not lost out of the economy. There is no dark hole of no return. There is a great return. Tax money is spent by the government, and generates more economic activity, thus raising the GDP.

The federal government has to learn to spend within its means rather than punish Americans by raising taxes.

Taxes are not meant as punishment. You should be proud to pay your taxes. This makes you a contributing part of America. You are contributing to our nation, doing your part to make America great. Paying your taxes makes America great. You are getting your money's worth by being an American. Somalians pay no taxes and have a very limited government, but I would not recommend moving there. It is far better to be an American. And yes, have to pay taxes. You should be proud of being a tax-paying American.

I will NEVER vote for a candidate that pledges to raise taxes for any reason

Perhaps you would be happy to vote for a candidate who pledges to bankrupt the nation. If taxes should always be reduced, why not simply go all the way and make them zero? You can also eat cake and lose weight while you are at it.

It's like having a child in college that's spending frivolously and irresponsibly. When he says he needs you to put more money into his checking account, the smart thing to do would be to tell him to rein in his spending, not give him more money. I speak from experience on this.

No, it is not like that at all. It is far more complex. If there was so much frivolous spending which could easily be cut, why have Republicans been unable to reduce spending? They have the votes. Actually, it's worse than that. They have increased spending. A college kid can make a few rice and bean meals in the dorm, not go out for so many beers. That's easy. Government spending can not be cut without removing a flow of money into the economy. Despite all the promises, Republicans have the votes and can't cut the spending. Because they don't want to crash the economy.

Raising taxes on the rich may slow things down a bit but it won't crash the economy or put as many people out of work.

Raise taxes on the rich. Raise the minimum wage. Hold the line on defense spending.

 

[Fentoine Lum]

Hello DonaldvoTrumpovich,



Says the selfish rich who only think of themselves and could not care less if the government debt breaks the government.



Every large organization, whether it is government or private sector, which is attempting to meet a lofty goal involving many unknowns, and requiring many many people coordinated together to accomplish, is going to have significant waste.



The government bureaucracy is a great machine which accomplishes many things which are good for the USA. While doing all this good, another giant factor here is that all of those government workers and contractors are earning paychecks out of all that government spending, and they are using their money to contribute to the economy. Tax money paid to the government is not lost out of the economy. There is no dark hole of no return. There is a great return. Tax money is spent by the government, and generates more economic activity, thus raising the GDP.



Taxes are not meant as punishment. You should be proud to pay your taxes. This makes you a contributing part of America. You are contributing to our nation, doing your part to make America great. Paying your taxes makes America great. You are getting your money's worth by being an American. Somalians pay no taxes and have a very limited government, but I would not recommend moving there. It is far better to be an American. And yes, have to pay taxes. You should be proud of being a tax-paying American.



Perhaps you would be happy to vote for a candidate who pledges to bankrupt the nation. If taxes should always be reduced, why not simply go all the way and make them zero? You can also eat cake and lose weight while you are at it.



No, it is not like that at all. It is far more complex. If there was so much frivolous spending which could easily be cut, why have Republicans been unable to reduce spending? They have the votes. Actually, it's worse than that. They have increased spending. A college kid can make a few rice and bean meals in the dorm, not go out for so many beers. That's easy. Government spending can not be cut without removing a flow of money into the economy. Despite all the promises, Republicans have the votes and can't cut the spending. Because they don't want to crash the economy.

Raising taxes on the rich may slow things down a bit but it won't crash the economy or put as many people out of work.

Raise taxes on the rich. Raise the minimum wage. Hold the line on defense spending.

Look, like you said, "complex". You've already lost the poster you're responding to.

 

[PoliTalker]

Hello Darth,

So, raises taxes and stunt the economy lol?

Do democrats ever have economic proposals that *don’t* involve raising taxes?

You know, if Republicans would quite putting taxes too low to run the country, Democrats would not have to be responsible and raise them back up again.

 

[PoliTalker]

Hello Fentoine Lum,

Look, like you said, "complex". You've already lost the poster you're responding to.

Hey, at least he opposes Trump.

It is really far better to recognize the good side of people than to dwell on their misgivings.

They say what goes around comes around.

Put out bad energy and guess what comes back?

Maybe we all need to try a little harder to put out more good energy.

DonaldvoTrumpovich is an American who cares about the USA, and wants the economy to flourish. Just as we do. We simply disagree on how to best achieve that goal.

 

[Darth Omar]

Hello Darth,



You know, if Republicans would quite putting taxes too low to run the country, Democrats would not have to be responsible and raise them back up again.

I just don’t believe that.

I don’t think taxes would ever be high enough to suit democrats.

 

[mak2]

AH, the rich are getting richer. That is all that matters.

 

[PoliTalker]

Hello Darth,

I just don’t believe that.

I don’t think taxes would ever be high enough to suit democrats.

That's propaganda. You can't cite Democrats who have said that.

Taxes have actually gone down down down since WWII. Now, we've gotten to the point where they are too low. We are not getting enough revenue to keep up with spending.

 

[Fentoine Lum]

Hello Fentoine Lum,



Hey, at least he opposes Trump.

It is really far better to recognize the good side of people than to dwell on their misgivings.

They say what goes around comes around.

Put out bad energy and guess what comes back?

Maybe we all need to try a little harder to put out more good energy.

DonaldvoTrumpovich is an American who cares about the USA, and wants the economy to flourish. Just as we do. We simply disagree on how to best achieve that goal.

Good energy better find good money if it expects to go anywhere at all in this system.

 

[Fentoine Lum]

Hello Darth,



That's propaganda. You can't cite Democrats who have said that.

Taxes have actually gone down down down since WWII. Now, we've gotten to the point where they are too low. We are not getting enough revenue to keep up with spending.

No one is going to challenge the war machine/industry or empire.

 

[reagansghost]

why do poverty stricken hill billies strive to make the wealthy wealthier?

can someone please answer that one

 

[PoliTalker]

Hello Fentoine Lum,

Good energy better find good money if it expects to go anywhere at all in this system.

It tends to do exactly that.

 

[PoliTalker]

Hello Fentoine Lum,

No one is going to challenge the war machine/industry or empire.

I believe there are plenty of us already doing that.

 

[PoliTalker]

Hello reagansghost,

why do poverty stricken hill billies strive to make the wealthy wealthier?

can someone please answer that one

They believe that one day great wealth will trickle down to them.

 

[Darth Omar]

Hello Darth,



That's propaganda. You can't cite Democrats who have said that.

Taxes have actually gone down down down since WWII. Now, we've gotten to the point where they are too low. We are not getting enough revenue to keep up with spending.

...’to keep up with spending’ is the key concept lol.

If democrats were in control they will raise taxes before they give us ‘free’ healthcare. Then comes the socialism death spiral.

No thanks.

 

[Fentoine Lum]

why do poverty stricken hill billies strive to make the wealthy wealthier?

can someone please answer that one

You have to go all the way back to the aftermath of Bacon's Rebellion for that answer. After that incident, the vastly outnumbered colonial aristocracy, knowing reinforcements were weeks and weeks away by sea, began to envision pitting the peasants, indentured servants, slaves; the unsubstantial people, against each other as a means of population control. The unsubstantial people have been pitted one against the other in america ever since. Race has been a very successful tool in this and slave versus indentured versus bondsman versus overseer was all part of the mindfuck. Still is. Those self identifying as overseers will identify with the aristocracy. Or the police when they murder unarmed black citizens in the streets. Or in demonizing the poor as the aristocracy economically cannibalizes society.

 

[Fentoine Lum]

...’to keep up with spending’ is the key concept lol.

If democrats were in control they will raise taxes before they give us ‘free’ healthcare. Then comes the socialism death spiral.

No thanks.

You are already in a death spiral, one of empire, your "free" endless wars of militarist aggression and insistance upon global occupation for nationless predatory capitalism will be your demise. Watch.

 

[Sailor]

For those of you that worried about it, put your money where your mouth is:

Here you go: https://www.treasurydirect.gov/govt/reports/pd/gift/gift.htm

Gift Contributions to Reduce Debt Held by the Public

The Bureau of the Fiscal Service may accept gifts donated to the United States Government to reduce debt held by the public. Acting for the Secretary of the Treasury, Fiscal Service may accept a gift of:

Money, made only on the condition that it be used to reduce debt held by the public.
An outstanding government obligation, made only on the condition that the obligation be retired and the redemption proceeds used to reduce debt held by the public.
Other intangible personal property made only on the condition that the property is sold and the proceeds from the sale used to reduce the public debt.

Gifts to reduce debt held by the public may be inter vivos gifts or testamentary bequests.

 

[Fentoine Lum]

Because you will never get to an economic system that benefits society as a whole working within this system. Agreed.

 

[Darth Omar]

That's nice. I'm sure they're pleased as punch, as HHH used to say.

Apparently you are unable to list even one regulation (or removal) that has improved business. That's okay though. Our corporate plutocrats want us to continue to believe that as long as we look the other way and leave them alone and don't try to tax them, they'll continue to shower us with largesse.

I don’t need to name them lol.

Trump cut them and the economy improved. As predicted.