‘There is NO GOD’ Stephen Hawking’s final revelation of the afterlife REVEALED

Guille said:
I haven't changed anything so just stop it. I know you really want to make faith and skepticism seem the same but they aren't...but you know what?

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If by "faith" you mean "There is a GOD" and by "skepticism" you mean "There are no gods"...

...they are NOT the same. They are polar opposites.

They are "the same" only insofar as they are both blind guesses about the REALITY of existence...about what actually exists and/or does not exist.

In any case, I forgive your stone-headedness on this issue, too.

As for whether you changed things or not...YOU CHANGED WHAT I SAID...AND THEN ARGUED AGAINST THE CHANGES YOU MADE.


Great conversation, Guille. Best one in JPP so far.
 
Frank Apisa said:
If by "faith" you mean "There is a GOD" and by "skepticism" you mean "There are no gods"...

...they are NOT the same. They are polar opposites.

They are "the same" only insofar as they are both blind guesses about the REALITY of existence...about what actually exists and/or does not exist.

In any case, I forgive your stone-headedness on this issue, too.

As for whether you changed things or not...YOU CHANGED WHAT I SAID...AND THEN ARGUED AGAINST THE CHANGES YOU MADE.


Great conversation, Guille. Best one in JPP so far.
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I did not change what you said. You have been arguing from the beginning that given no evidence of something existing non-belief and belief are equally logical. They are not.
 
Guille said:
I did not change what you said. They are not.
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Like hell you didn't.

In your #277 you wrote:

I understand your position, I have understood it from the beginning but when you say things like a logician would say that you can prove a negative as far as the unknown is concerned you obviously don't understand my position...or logicians.

There is NO FUCKING WAY I EVER SAID THAT A LOGICIAN WOULD SAY THAT YOU CAN PROVE A NEGATIVE AS FAR AS THE UNKNOWN IS CONSERNED.

Earlier you had said: The logician would tell you that you can't prove a negative.

I disputed that. I said, “No logician on the planet would tell you that. You can prove a negative...providing the negative is not exceedingly universal in nature.”

YOU CHANGED WHAT I SAID.

We’ll try it again, if you want:

You said: The logician would tell you that you can’t prove a negative.

MY RESPONSE:

“No logician on the planet would tell you that. You CAN prove a negative...PROVIDING THE NEGATIVE IS NOT EXCEEDINGLY UNIVERSAL IN NATURE.”

Okay. Deal with that as I actually wrote it…rather than changing it like you did before.

You have been arguing from the beginning that given no evidence of something existing non-belief and belief are equally logical.
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I HAVE BEEN ARGUING FROM THE BEGINNING THAT AN ASSERTION THAT THERE ARE NO GODS...IS AS MUCH A BLIND GUESS AS IS THE ASSERTION THAT THERE IS A GOD.

Deal with that. Stop paraphrasing (in your case making straw men) and then arguing against the straw men.
 
Frank Apisa said:
Like hell you didn't.

In your #277 you wrote:

I understand your position, I have understood it from the beginning but when you say things like a logician would say that you can prove a negative as far as the unknown is concerned you obviously don't understand my position...or logicians.

There is NO FUCKING WAY I EVER SAID THAT A LOGICIAN WOULD SAY THAT YOU CAN PROVE A NEGATIVE AS FAR AS THE UNKNOWN IS CONSERNED.

Earlier you had said: The logician would tell you that you can't prove a negative.

I disputed that. I said, “No logician on the planet would tell you that. You can prove a negative...providing the negative is not exceedingly universal in nature.”

YOU CHANGED WHAT I SAID.

We’ll try it again, if you want:

You said: The logician would tell you that you can’t prove a negative.

MY RESPONSE:

“No logician on the planet would tell you that. You CAN prove a negative...PROVIDING THE NEGATIVE IS NOT EXCEEDINGLY UNIVERSAL IN NATURE.”

Okay. Deal with that as I actually wrote it…rather than changing it like you did before.



I HAVE BEEN ARGUING FROM THE BEGINNING THAT AN ASSERTION THAT THERE ARE NO GODS...IS AS MUCH A BLIND GUESS AS IS THE ASSERTION THAT THERE IS A GOD.

Deal with that. Stop paraphrasing (in your case making straw men) and then arguing against the straw men.
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Guille said:
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Good enough for me.

Fact is...if being a Christian means following the teachings of Jesus...I am probably more of a Christian than most people who identify as Christian.

No...I do not buy into his notions of a GOD who is his father...but MOST of the teachings of Jesus are worthwhile...and should be observed by anyone and everyone who has feelings of love and respect for their fellow beings on this planet.

So...since you cannot acknowledge that you changed what I said...and you also cannot acknowledge that what I said is truthful...

...fuck off.

Or...stick around.

You should be having fun. I am. If you are not...you are wasting your time.
 
Darth Omar said:
If you ask for evidence it’s only fair to ask what the evidence would be comprised of.
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It would be pretty easy. I’d ask for my bank password. If He provided that, I would ask what shape and color I was thinking of, what seven digit number I was thinking of and what event I was remembering. Finally I’d ask which house we were living in when I was born, somewhere in this picture:

https://www.google.com/maps/@48.7053218,-122.3300941,16290a,35y,74.99t/data=!3m1!1e3?hl=en
 
Frank Apisa said:
Good enough for me.

Fact is...if being a Christian means following the teachings of Jesus...I am probably more of a Christian than most people who identify as Christian.

No...I do not buy into his notions of a GOD who is his father...but MOST of the teachings of Jesus are worthwhile...and should be observed by anyone and everyone who has feelings of love and respect for their fellow beings on this planet.

So...since you cannot acknowledge that you changed what I said...and you also cannot acknowledge that what I said is truthful...

...fuck off.

Or...stick around.

You should be having fun. I am. If you are not...you are wasting your time.
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Stop it Frank. You've been given the answer from the beginning. Claims require proof and you can't prove a negative. I know you don't like that but tough shit.
 
Guille said:
Stop it Frank. You've been given the answer from the beginning. Claims require proof and you can't prove a negative. I know you don't like that but tough shit.
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I wish you wouldn't quote him when you argue with him.....I have him on ignore so I don't have to look at his stupid shit, then you go and repaste it.......
 
Guille said:
Stop it Frank. You've been given the answer from the beginning. Claims require proof and you can't prove a negative.
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Stop claiming that you cannot prove a negative.

Of course you can.

If someone asserts that there is a live, African elephant in your top desk drawer...

...and you assert that there is no elephant of any kind in your top desk drawer...

...do you honestly suppose YOU CANNOT PROVE THAT NEGATIVE?

Jesus H. Christ.

Wake up.

I know you don't like that but tough shit.
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YOU are the one who seems not to like it.

I love it.

I mention it often.

You are opposing me right now because I mentioned it.

I am saying that the assertions "there is a GOD" and "there are no gods"...are both blind guesses.

Both, when asserted, assume a burden of proof.

Neither can meet it.

Wake the fuck up.
 
iolo said:
Except in a few countries where it matters, I don't think socialism is very interested in 'religion', and Jesus was clearly an early socialist, after all. Anti-religious radicalism is surely a Liberal feature?
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As I say, kitsch. Combining Jesus with socialism is like getting Groucho Marx to have a sex change and be a Charles Manson groupie.
 
Rob Larrikin said:
Actually, science doesn't say there is no god. Scientists say there is no evidence of a god.
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Yup.

And science (scientists, actually) also say there is no evidence of any sentient beings on any of the planets circling the 15 stars nearest to Sol.

The best thing that can be said about whether or not there are any sentient beings on any of those planets is...

...I DO NOT KNOW.

Anyone asserting there are sentient beings on them...or anyone asserting there are no sentient beings on them...is simply making blind guesses.

Same thing goes with "there are gods" and "there are no gods."
 
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"I am saying that the assertions "there is a GOD" and "there are no gods"...are both blind guesses." FA #290
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- piffle -

If Juliette posted that fire-breathing dragons were flying about her kitchen stealing her silverware, and farting malodorously, would you consider the validity of her claim to be a blind guess either way?

What proof is there of any supernatural anything?
 
sear said:
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- piffle -

If Juliette posted that fire-breathing dragons were flying about her kitchen stealing her silverware, and farting malodorously, would you consider the validity of her claim to be a blind guess either way?
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Sear...the assertion "there are no gods"...CAN ONLY BE A BLIND GUESS.

If you cannot see that...my sympathies.



What proof is there of any supernatural anything?
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If "nature" is defined as everything that exists...

...then EVERYTHING that exists is a part of nature.

If ghosts exist...they are a part of nature.

If vampires exist...they are a part of nature.

If gods exist...they are a part of nature.

We humans sometimes kid ourselves into thinking we know everything...that everything that exists has already been discovered.

That is what we are doing when we do that...KIDDING OURSELVES.

In any case, if gods exist...they are a part of nature.
 
sear said:
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- piffle -

If Juliette posted that fire-breathing dragons were flying about her kitchen stealing her silverware, and farting malodorously, would you consider the validity of her claim to be a blind guess either way?

What proof is there of any supernatural anything?
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No shit, those LOSERS think "all" versus "nothing" is somehow a tie. Only on fantasy island. Just remember that's where they live.
So who cares really. After its been stated that intelligent people ain't buying stupid and never will, let them preach to their choir of retards.

The amusing thing to me is to see god in retreat as science advances over time. God was once a badass riding a heavenly horse blowing his godly trumpet.
Then he had to be a normal man humble and peaceful and normal because god wanted him that way. Then he becomes some nondescript supernatural ether.
Now he has to hide and cower in the doubt left in subatomic particles and cosmic fuzziness. There's nowhere for it to hide. The gaps are narrow.

He probably beds down somewhere in climate denial city next to evolution deprived alley smoking a non cancer tobacco. Denial denial.
 
Micawber said:
No shit, those LOSERS think "all" versus "nothing" is somehow a tie. Only on fantasy island. Just remember that's where they live.
So who cares really. After its been stated that intelligent people ain't buying stupid and never will, let them preach to their choir of retards.
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Wow...the words "I don't know" really are something you cannot utter, Micawber.

Get over that.

Get real.

YOU do not know if gods exist or not.

The people who assert "THEY DO EXIST" are just blindly guessing...and are idiots for insisting on the assertion.

The people who assert "THERE ARE NO GODS" are also blindly guessing...and are idiots for insisting on the assertion.
 
Frank Apisa said:
Wow...the words "I don't know" really are something you cannot utter, Micawber.

Get over that.

Get real.

YOU do not know if gods exist or not.

The people who assert "THEY DO EXIST" are just blindly guessing...and are idiots for insisting on the assertion.

The people who assert "THERE ARE NO GODS" are also blindly guessing...and are idiots for insisting on the assertion.
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Again, false. When every molecule ever examined contains zero supernatural juju and nonsecular belief is loaded with syupernatural juju,
my belief in no god is vastly more supported than belief in God. Equating the two is the dishonest ranting of a delusional.
If those ruby slippers fit, feel free to tap them thrice.
 
M #297

Psychologist Joy Browne spends a lot of time correcting mis-perceptions.
But she confessed to making an exception. Dr. Browne preferred to avoid bursting delusions in her patients, when those delusions (however false) served a constructive role.

Humans tend to believe what they want to believe.
And religious believers tend to cling to their delusions most tenaciously. It's their ideological security blanket. There's even evolutionary & psychological explanation for the prominence of religious myth.

- As new-borns we rely on the suckling breast. Mother tends to our every need.

- As we mature, both mother and father play their parental roles, teaching manners, etiquette, survival, etc.

- SO !!

Young adults have had these parental influences all their lives. But once the offspring are full adults, and on their own, this absence of the parental overseer is gone.

As the explanation goes, persons with such new-found "need" turn to an overseer of an even higher authority. Some even call him "heavenly father".

But it may all trace back to our mammalian roots. For of what use are lactating mammaries without the compelling instinct to suckle?
"Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by rulers as useful." sometimes attributed to Seneca the Younger (c.3 BCE - CE 65)
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