Finally some judicial sanity on Civil War memorials.

Grumpy said:
As usual you have it wrong. The southerners did not commit treason, per the definition. Look up the definition. But I wouldn't expect you to understand a simple concept.
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part of the definition of treason is levying war against the United States which the Confederates did. You just love to keep embarrassing yourself.
 
Grumpy said:
As usual you have it wrong. The southerners did not commit treason, per the definition. Look up the definition. But I wouldn't expect you to understand a simple concept.
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The US Constitution defines treason as levying war against the government and aiding and abetting its enemies. Under that definition, each Confederate soldier in the Civil War, together with all their politic leaders, was a traitor.

Please be FAR less stupid and stop honoring traitors.
 
Grumpy said:
Care to prove your claim?
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your assertion that you are too stupid to read the constitution is correct.


"Article III
Section 1.
The judicial power of the United States, shall be vested in one Supreme Court, and in such inferior courts as the Congress may from time to time ordain and establish. The judges, both of the supreme and inferior courts, shall hold their offices during good behaviour, and shall, at stated times, receive for their services, a compensation, which shall not be diminished during their continuance in office.

Section 2.
The judicial power shall extend to all cases, in law and equity, arising under this Constitution, the laws of the United States, and treaties made, or which shall be made, under their authority;--to all cases affecting ambassadors, other public ministers and consuls;--to all cases of admiralty and maritime jurisdiction;--to controversies to which the United States shall be a party;--to controversies between two or more states;--between a state and citizens of another state;--between citizens of different states;--between citizens of the same state claiming lands under grants of different states, and between a state, or the citizens thereof, and foreign states, citizens or subjects.

In all cases affecting ambassadors, other public ministers and consuls, and those in which a state shall be party, the Supreme Court shall have original jurisdiction. In all the other cases before mentioned, the Supreme Court shall have appellate jurisdiction, both as to law and fact, with such exceptions, and under such regulations as the Congress shall make.

The trial of all crimes, except in cases of impeachment, shall be by jury; and such trial shall be held in the state where the said crimes shall have been committed; but when not committed within any state, the trial shall be at such place or places as the Congress may by law have directed.

Section 3.
Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort. No person shall be convicted of treason unless on the testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act, or on confession in open court.

The Congress shall have power to declare the punishment of treason, but no attainder of treason shall work corruption of blood, or forfeiture except during the life of the person attained."
 
katzgar said:
your assertion that you are too stupid to read the constitution is correct.


"Article III
Section 1.
The judicial power of the United States, shall be vested in one Supreme Court, and in such inferior courts as the Congress may from time to time ordain and establish. The judges, both of the supreme and inferior courts, shall hold their offices during good behaviour, and shall, at stated times, receive for their services, a compensation, which shall not be diminished during their continuance in office.

Section 2.
The judicial power shall extend to all cases, in law and equity, arising under this Constitution, the laws of the United States, and treaties made, or which shall be made, under their authority;--to all cases affecting ambassadors, other public ministers and consuls;--to all cases of admiralty and maritime jurisdiction;--to controversies to which the United States shall be a party;--to controversies between two or more states;--between a state and citizens of another state;--between citizens of different states;--between citizens of the same state claiming lands under grants of different states, and between a state, or the citizens thereof, and foreign states, citizens or subjects.

In all cases affecting ambassadors, other public ministers and consuls, and those in which a state shall be party, the Supreme Court shall have original jurisdiction. In all the other cases before mentioned, the Supreme Court shall have appellate jurisdiction, both as to law and fact, with such exceptions, and under such regulations as the Congress shall make.

The trial of all crimes, except in cases of impeachment, shall be by jury; and such trial shall be held in the state where the said crimes shall have been committed; but when not committed within any state, the trial shall be at such place or places as the Congress may by law have directed.

Section 3.
Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort. No person shall be convicted of treason unless on the testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act, or on confession in open court.

The Congress shall have power to declare the punishment of treason, but no attainder of treason shall work corruption of blood, or forfeiture except during the life of the person attained."
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Nice try sport but treason does not apply according to this. "Whoever, owing allegiance to the*United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the*United States*or elsewhere, is guilty of*treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000;
The Confederacy withdrew from the Union and fought the Union as a separate nation. Therefore they had no allegiance to the Union.
 
Grumpy said:
Nice try sport but treason does not apply according to this. "Whoever, owing allegiance to the*United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the*United States*or elsewhere, is guilty of*treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000;
The Confederacy withdrew from the Union and fought the Union as a separate nation. Therefore they had no allegiance to the Union.
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Man, you'll resort to anything to whore for treason. The Union didn't recognize their secession, and the Union won, so the constitutional definition applies to the traitorous South, whose cock you apparently love sucking.

Sad.
 
Darth Beto Omar said:
Then write a tersely worded letter to your city council members lol.

Lefties and their non-issues.
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Um, actually, it's because people are successfully lobying their city and county governments to remove these stupid CSA commemorations that these threads have become much more frequent. The letters may not be tersely worded, but, they have proven effective.
 
Grumpy said:
Nice try sport but treason does not apply according to this. "Whoever, owing allegiance to the*United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the*United States*or elsewhere, is guilty of*treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000;
The Confederacy withdrew from the Union and fought the Union as a separate nation. Therefore they had no allegiance to the Union.
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You are deeply deeply f***** up in the head
 
I recognize the CSA as a valid secessionist movement, which then committed an act of war as a sovereign state. But, it's still fun to call them traitors. I do strongly suspect that George B. McClellan was a traitor, though. Every single thing he did as both a commanding general officer and as a poltical figure served to eggregiously harm America and to benefit the Confederacy.
 
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