Maine votes out electoral college

Now add in that there is no legal remedy if a "pledged ED elector" votes differently then what they pledged to do.

"There are 30 states (plus the District of Columbia) that require electors to vote for a pledged candidate. Most of those states (21 plus DC) nonetheless do not provide for any penalty or any mechanism to prevent the deviant vote from counting as cast. Five states provide a penalty of some sort for a deviant vote, and six states provide for the vote to be canceled and the elector replaced (two states do both)."

https://www.fairvote.org/faithless_elector_state_laws
 
DUH...Homer. All STATES are guaranteed (Article 4, Section 4, Clause) What the state of Maine basically accomplished was going to the same format of "winner take all"......just like 49 states.

But it is different from other states in that in Maine the winner take all does not necessarily go to the winner of the popular vote in Maine.

Of course, Maine has made no changes at this point.
 
Death to the electoral college

Literally a holy roman empire voting system only supported by some who know it's awful just because they believe it advantages them politically

Disgusting

It has only ever hurt Democrats. Hence, a most excellent system.

:indeed:
 
So what? Would you be happy about having to pay for your Viagra, after paying insurance premiums?

Not an argument. And not the same thing. But I appreciate the attempt

It is hilarious that leftists like you think viagra is somehow an equivalent comparison to birth control pills

I am sorry that I burst your bubble with facts

An IUD = an iPhone
 
Back atcha...

Add the surgical cost:

[FONT="]IF YOU DO NOT HAVE HEALTH INSURANCE, OR IF MIRENA AND KYLEENA ARE NOT COVERED BY YOUR INSURANCE[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#4D4D4F][FONT="] – You can expect to pay the Wholesale Acquisition Cost (WAC), also known as the list price for the Kyleena IUD or Mirena IUD, which is $953.51. This comes to $15.89 per month over a 5-year period.[/FONT]

You are still making my argument. Surely a woman can afford $15/month not to get pregnant.

Planned Parenthood charges $500 for an abortion.

Good ROI $15 month is three Starbucks coffees a month. Hardly a sacrifice
 
They don't have to be. The 1st Amendment freedom of religion allows you to believe anything you want even if you are the only person with those views.

And Hobby Lobby is not investing in those companies. They are among the mutual funds employees can choose from as part of their retirement account.

A person can have very strict religious beliefs but does not want to let those interfere with the investment choices of the employees.
Makes no sense. You either believe in something or you don't. Of course, religion isn't the place to look for continuity. If you don't allow your employees to have an IUD, then you really shouldn't allow them to profit from same. If, of course, you truly don't believe in the concept.
 
Not an argument. And not the same thing. But I appreciate the attempt

It is hilarious that leftists like you think viagra is somehow an equivalent comparison to birth control pills

I am sorry that I burst your bubble with facts

An IUD = an iPhone
So your claim is that everyone can afford an iPhone?
 
According to Apples sales figures it looks like many people can

Fortunately there are other options than an IUD

A woman can get a three month supply at Walmart for $24

That comes to $0.27/day

Surely even the poorest of women can afford $0.27/day can’t they? I mean if not getting preggers is that important it should be

You are out of your depth here. Stop while you are behind
 
But it is different from other states in that in Maine the winner take all does not necessarily go to the winner of the popular vote in Maine.

Of course, Maine has made no changes at this point.

So Maine is attempting to legislate a command for the EC to be UNFAITHFUL upon political command? And no one considered that to be disenfranchising or fascist/totalitarian in the least....especially the supposed party of EQUALITY? :thinking:

Again.....a misunderstanding of the constitution by these Maine Legislators? Unfaithful electors that refuse to reflect the will of a state's people, regardless of how a state decides to appoint those EC electors, would be considered "DISENFRANCHISNG" when ordered via state legislation. Have they not read and comprehended the articles set forth in the constitution in relation to the Electoral College? Even if the people do not directly vote for the president and vice president their votes are distributed in an equal and fair manner. Then we must consider the 15th Amendment to the United States Constitution...

The 15th Amendment PROHIBITS, "...the federal government and each state from denying a citizen the right to vote based upon a citizen's race, color or previous condition of servitude."

Conclusion as provided via Scotus Opinion and precedent? "The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or ABRIDGED...…….."

Abridged: Condensed, Shortened, via REWRITING. Disenfranchising is disenfranchising and its UNCONSTITUTIONAL. A state may have the right to change from one format to another in consideration of the Electoral College....but no state has the constitutional right to demand their states votes not be counted toward the candidate of their choice via ordering their EC electors to be UNFAITHFUL on command. What's the point of having any state represented via the EC.....if a state can ignore the constitution and the right of every citizen regardless of, race, color, etc., to cast their votes and have them counted?

As I said, this will not stand in the court system. Again simply apply the smell test in the SCOTUS decision and precedent established under U.S. Term Limits Inc. v. Thornton. If the court determines that a state has added extra qualifications to any federal candidate or taken away from any constitutional text through attempted state legislation in order to effect any federal election....THAT AUTHORITY DOES NOT EXIST. -- John P. Stevens

Maine can join any conglomerate they wish and cast their EC votes through proxy of their EC electors.....but they cannot order on command any EC elector to be "UNFAITHFUL" to their states guaranteed REPRESENTATION as clearly defined in Article 4, Section 4, Clause 1. What's representative about being unfaithful to one's representative oaths and constitutional guarantees? As I said, it not only smells like fascism, totalitarianism and hate induced legislation....its UNCONSTITUTIONAL AS HELL.

That damn constitution thingy is always getting in the way of these Social Justice Warriors that want to fundamentally change the United States of America from a constitutional republic to a socialist republic and wink while calling it a DEMOCRACY. Maine is proving just how DEMOCRATIC the democrats in that state are.....via demanding UNFAITHFUL representation of the states will.

But....in the end.....will it make a difference? Maine is so blue one's piss turns green when you attempt to write your name in the snow.....it is populated mostly via people on fixed incomes and retirees that have bought into the propaganda that someone is going to take away their checks if they don't vote a certain way.....right now those 65 years of age an older is a growing demography while those in their 20s is a shrinking demography.

All this bullshit hate and TDS because TRUMP squeezed out one EC vote?:palm: So the politicians on the left got together and said, "Lets enact some kneejerk legislation without considering its constitutionality or long term effects on our citizens." Its who they are, its what they do...….its like they have a short circuit between their brains ability to have a logical and reasonable thought and their emotions.
 
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The entire idea shows how bereft or principle and what shallow thinkers democrats are

The only states to sign up are states that vote democrat right now so they have lost nothing. But voting patterns don’t stay that way forever. California used to be Red. Things change.

It will never survive a constitutional challenge.

Let the leftists have their little circle jerk.
 
So Maine is attempting to legislate a command for the EC to be UNFAITHFUL upon political command? And no one considered that to be disenfranchising or fascist/totalitarian in the least....especially the supposed party of EQUALITY? :thinking:

Again.....a misunderstanding of the constitution by these Maine Legislators? Unfaithful electors that refuse to reflect the will of a state's people, regardless of how a state decides to appoint those EC electors, would be considered "DISENFRANCHISNG" when ordered via state legislation. Have they not read and comprehended the articles set forth in the constitution in relation to the Electoral College? Even if the people do not directly vote for the president and vice president their votes are distributed in an equal and fair manner. Then we must consider the 15th Amendment to the United States Constitution...

The 15th Amendment PROHIBITS, "...the federal government and each state from denying a citizen the right to vote based upon a citizen's race, color or previous condition of servitude."

Conclusion as provided via Scotus Opinion and precedent? "The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or ABRIDGED...…….."

Abridged: Condensed, Shortened, via REWRITING. Disenfranchising is disenfranchising and its UNCONSTITUTIONAL. A state may have the right to change from one format to another in consideration of the Electoral College....but no state has the constitutional right to demand their states votes not be counted toward the candidate of their choice via ordering their EC electors to be UNFAITHFUL on command. What's the point of having any state represented via the EC.....if a state can ignore the constitution and the right of every citizen regardless of, race, color, etc., to cast their votes and have them counted?

As I said, this will not stand in the court system. Again simply apply the smell test in the SCOTUS decision and precedent established under U.S. Term Limits Inc. v. Thornton. If the court determines that a state has added extra qualifications to any federal candidate or taken away from any constitutional text through attempted state legislation in order to effect any federal election....THAT AUTHORITY DOES NOT EXIST. -- John P. Stevens

Maine can join any conglomerate they wish and cast their EC votes through proxy of their EC electors.....but they cannot order on command any EC elector to be "UNFAITHFUL" to their states guaranteed REPRESENTATION as clearly defined in Article 4, Section 4, Clause 1. What's representative about being unfaithful to one's representative oaths and constitutional guarantees? As I said, it not only smells like fascism, totalitarianism and hate induced legislation....its UNCONSTITUTIONAL AS HELL.

That damn constitution thingy is always getting in the way of these Social Justice Warriors that want to fundamentally change the United States of America from a constitutional republic to a socialist republic and wink while calling it a DEMOCRACY. Maine is proving just how DEMOCRATIC the democrats in that state are.....via demanding UNFAITHFUL representation of the states will.

But....in the end.....will it make a difference? Maine is so blue one's piss turns green when you attempt to write your name in the snow.....it is populated mostly via people on fixed incomes and retirees that have bought into the propaganda that someone is going to take away their checks if they don't vote a certain way.....right now those 65 years of age an older is a growing demography while those in their 20s is a shrinking demography.

All this bullshit hate and TDS because TRUMP squeezed out one EC vote?:palm: So the politicians on the left got together and said, "Lets enact some kneejerk legislation without considering its constitutionality or long term effects on our citizens." Its who they are, its what they do...….its like they have a short circuit between their brains ability to have a logical and reasonable thought and their emotions.
Excellent, Thanks, Ralph.
 
Makes no sense. You either believe in something or you don't. Of course, religion isn't the place to look for continuity. If you don't allow your employees to have an IUD, then you really shouldn't allow them to profit from same. If, of course, you truly don't believe in the concept.

I can believe in something strongly but that does not mean I should keep my employees from investing in a retirement account. What my employees choose to do has nothing to do with my religious beliefs.

Hobby Lobby allows its employees to have IUDs and they are free. The government pays for these devices just as they do for religious organizations, Medicaid, or under Obamacare. Everybody wins.
 
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