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Wrong again. It is protected speech. You can advocate anything you choose.

No you cannot. You cannot advocate genocide. That is incitement. Genocide is fundamental to Nazism. Therefore, Nazism is inherent incitement.


Their speech is completely protected (although I guess I have to add I do not sympathize with their beliefs or you will claim I do).

By waving the Nazi flag and Seig Heil-ing, or saying "Jews will not replace us", or threatening to shoot people because they lost an election, that "speech" is calling for ethnic cleansing, violence, and genocide. The symbols and "speech" they use are tantamount to incitement, which is something SCOTUS has said is not protected speech. It's literally a call to action.

That's why no one who punches Nazis faces charges for it.


My inherent position is to defend the constitutional rights for everyone.

Incitement is not constitutionally protected.
 
It IS murder (in the vast majority of cases)

See, you say one thing, and then completely undermine it in literally the next breath.

What you're doing is applying your subjective judgment as some sort of standard when you've done nothing to earn that entitlement.

It's not your right or privilege to determine what constitutes what is acceptable.

Your opinion is worthless, and you don't even have the representation to back it up. After all, you got shellacked last November.
 
I provided a couple of often argued exceptions to the general position..

No, what you provided were subjective opinions that you were trying to establish as a standard.

Your personal standard is bullshit. It's also fungible, apparently.


I didn't walk back anything.

"Abortion IS murder...except when it isn't".

That is walking back a position into cognitive dissonance.


I understand my position quite well.

Your position is fungible...that's all you understand about it.
 
Yes, in post# 99 you reply quoted me from post# 13.

So I didn't bring it up, then, I was responding to you who brought it up!

Why is it so important for you to falsely frame this?


Maybe your intent was to say that Ralph Northam ranks among "the biggest fucking idiots in the world"?

You're a fucking idiot and here's why: you said I was the one who brought up abortion, but then you quoted your own shit post where you brought it up first! Then you tried to say I brought it up, but you proved I didn't by posting my response to your shitpost.

Wow.

You are totally brain damaged.
 
No one's getting hysterical about anything.

You are. You're going around saying Governor Northram is killing babies, but when pressed for details on that claim, you fucking clam up.

Truth is you don't know shit about any of this, you're just shitposting because you're insecure.

What a turd.
 
Everything is not about you.

You responded to me, Fuckface.

You made that choice to make this about me when you responded to me and when you quoted me.

So you tried to passive-aggressively attack me for attacking shitty Conservative Nazi cousin-fuckers, then when I called you on your bigotry, you tried to pivot away with a variation of the "oh, you just didn't understand what I meant"/"I was just joking"/"I didn't mean you even though I was responding directly to you and in this thread where I knew you would read what I said" afternoon gaslight special.

Fuck you.

You are a gaslighting piece of shit.
 
No you cannot. You cannot advocate genocide. That is incitement. Genocide is fundamental to Nazism. Therefore, Nazism is inherent incitement.

By waving the Nazi flag and Seig Heil-ing, or saying "Jews will not replace us", or threatening to shoot people because they lost an election, that "speech" is calling for ethnic cleansing, violence, and genocide. The symbols and "speech" they use are tantamount to incitement, which is something SCOTUS has said is not protected speech. It's literally a call to action.

That's why no one who punches Nazis faces charges for it.

Incitement is not constitutionally protected.

You are right in that some instances of incitement are punishment, but your understanding is much too vague.

"Seig Heil," waving the Nazi flag, or saying "Jews will not replace us" are not examples of illegal incitement. It has to be specifically urging a person or group to commit an illegal act--none of those fit the definition. It has to be a call for imminent unlawful action. Calling for some action in the indefinite future is not illegal incitement.

You did not see any of those Nazis at the UV protest prosecuted for their speech and they were all chanting those slogans and carrying flags. Calling for genocide is mere advocacy because it is impossible to accomplish and at some indefinite future time.

Also, there has to be some illegal act that resulted from the incitement or some imminent act about to happen.

Check out the Supreme Court case of National Socialist Party of America v. Village of Skokie. The Nazis wanted to march through Skokie wearing their uniforms in a town with Jewish Holocaust survivors who threatened violence against the marchers. The court ruled the city could not deny the permit.

There is no such thing as "inherent incitement."

A person can be charged with assault if they hit a Nazi unless he was defending himself from imminent violence.

"Clarence Brandenburg, 48, an officer in the Ku Klux Klan, left, and Richard Hanna, 21, admitted member of the American Nazi Party, pose for a picture following their arrests, Aug. 8, 1964, Cincinnati, Ohio. Brandenburg was arrested in connection with a KKK meeting in which he made anti-Semitic and anti-black statements and advocated for the possibility of "revengeance." The Supreme Court threw out his conviction and issued a new test: Advocacy could be punished only "where such advocacy is directed to inciting or producing imminent lawless action and is likely to incite or produce such action." Brandenburg v. Ohio.

According to your interpretation, Brandenburg could be convicted for "anti-Semitic and anti-black statements and advocated for the possibility of "revengeance."

"In Hess v. Indiana (1973), the Court applied Brandenburg and said that before an individual’s speech could fall under the unprotected category of incitement to imminent lawless action, the speech must lead to “imminent disorder.”"
 
No it isn't, fuck face.

You get convicted of certain crimes, you lose your right to own a gun.

Even the Heller decision said the right was not absolute.

What a fucking dangerous idiot you are.

The Supreme Court does not have authority to change the Constitution, dumbass.
 
You'll understand that I am not really accepting of your perception of what those standards are.

If you had a conception of those standards, you'd still be enlisted and working as an instructor.

But you're not.

Non-sequitur fallacy. Try to stay on topic.
 
you're either just missing the point, or are being obtuse about it. my statement is very clear to those who think the militia should be the government regulated entity and how that can clearly not be the case when the constitution prohibits states from keeping their own troops

The States can have their own 'troops' (the organized militia) under certain circumstances, listed in Article 1, $10.3.

The government organizing them is the State government. You were trying to point out the federal government case and making a false equivalence between the two, or conflating the State and federal governments and making a compositional error. You were trying to do either by omitting a portion of Article 1, $10.3, specifically the portion that specifies when a State may organize a militia and for what purpose it may be organized.
 
Well, there needs to be a body of some kind that regulates it, since the Second Amendment literally says they are "Well-regulated".

To what regulations has your terrorist group adhered?




The 2A literally starts with "A well-regulated militia".

So...someone has to determine if they're regulated. Who is that if it's not the State?




If they intended self-regulation, they would have said so.




You don't have any proof that the founders intended self-regulation of your terrorist group. "Well-regulated" means, what? What do you think "well regulated" means? You seem to think it means no regulation or self-regulation, but that's not spelled out anywhere in the document.

Strawman fallacy. Contextomy fallacy.
 
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