Proposed Debate Question

Hello Darth,

Darth Omar said:
But by ‘being here’ they are taking spots in the workforce that would be held by actual citizens.

Ironically, mostly minorities.
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'Spots' which might simply go unfilled if they are ejected, as happened in Alabama when harsh new State immigration laws caused an instant lack of enough workers to harvest crops. No Americans came forward to take those jobs. (Despite high unemployment in 2011) Crops rotted in the field.

Alabama immigration: crops rot as workers vanish to avoid crackdown

"Cash gets angry when people tell him that his Hispanic workforce was taking jobs away from Americans. Since the new law began two weeks ago only two American citizens have come by his farm asking for work.

The couple had driven two hours from a city to offer their services, but they barely lasted that long in the fields. Cash discovered that they were trying to fiddle him by notching up two baskets of tomatoes for every one they picked – as they were paid by the basket that would have fraudulently doubled their earnings."

The farmer ended up plowing the whole crop under.

Go ahead and back up what you're claiming.

Show me a link to a story where there was an immigration crackdown which resulted in Americans taking the vacant jobs AND getting paid more. I've heard your talk, but I've never heard of such fantasies actually happening. The only way tomato pickers are getting paid more is if we all pay more for tomatoes.

Are you will to pay more for things so low skill Americans can get paid more?
 
StoneByStone said:
"Letting in immigrants from the third world results in lower wages for Americans. Will you try to reduce third world immigration, and if not, then how do you plan on keeping wages from falling? Do you also think continued mass immigration will make universal healthcare an impossibility?"
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I would say with reasonable minimum wage standards you won't see wages fall for Americans I'm not sure what you mean by "mass immigration", it's lower than it has been in 40 fucking years.
 
Nordberg said:
Of course. The Dems always address the debt. The Repubs do not because cranking it up is part of their master plan to destroy the programs that help the poor and injured. The Repub deliberately crank up the debt. When Ryan was leaving he admitted it , saying it was how they would end Medicare, Medicaid, Food stamps and any programs that took money that belongs to the ruling class.
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Undeniably sick but true. The deficit invariably goes down under democratic administrations and rises under republicans yet they try and pride themselves as fiscally responsible.
 
Port Tack said:
I would say with reasonable minimum wage standards you won't see wages fall for Americans I'm not sure what you mean by "mass immigration", it's lower than it has been in 40 fucking years.
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As I've said before, over here the Brexiteer hatred of foreigners as the decline in the economy consequent of the suicide-vote has meant that far. far fewer foreign workers have come here, but it hasn't increased local wages. It has produced near-crisis in the hospitals and meant many crops went unpicked. Capitalists use blather about foreign labour to drive down wages, but it has pretty well nothing to do with reality.
 
Hello Celticguy,

Celticguy said:
Illegals are, illegal. So much for that.
Had you suggested they made the government NOT enforce the law you might have had a point.
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Big money likes illegals. A ready and available workforce which will take all the least desirable jobs and work hard without complaint, laying low for fear of being deported. Wall Street makes a lot of money off illegal immigration.
 
Hello Darth,

Darth Omar said:
Are any of your friends or acquaintances small business owners lol?

The ones in my circle would be put in the business of going out of business, in short order, if they were forced by the government to pay their workers $20/hour.

A healthy economy has an abundance of small business owners and people willing to take the risk in starting them up. It democrats ever succeed in increasing the minimum wage in the manner they intend to, it will stifle entrepreneurship which will in turn stifle the economy.

If not outright strangle it.
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Ya know what really kills entrepreneurship is not having universal government healthcare. Many extremely innovative workers who would make excellent entrepreneurs don't ever strike out on their own because of the healthcare roadblock. Paying for healthcare is too expensive. They instead stay in secure jobs working for big corporations (or governments) which provide healthcare. If that burden of high priced for-profit health care was lifted we would see an explosion of small business start ups, creativity and new job creation. Sadly, the greed of the power junkies holds us back once again.
 
Hello Moose,

anonymoose said:
Democrats in general are very disheartened about the success of the U.S. economy.
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Total BS. The economy grew far more under Obama than it has under Trump. Democrats were very please with the growth, even as Republicans did their best to prevent it.
 
Into the Night said:
Lie. They always add to the debt, just as the republicans do. They just add more to it than the republicans do.

The Republicans have not stopped or reduced any social security, medicaid, or medicare program.

Just as the Democrats do. They just don't crank it up as much.

The President doesn't have anything to do with the debt. Congress, and only Congress does.
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It is the plan. https://www.theatlantic.com/politic...ng-up-the-deficit-is-part-of-the-plan/548720/ Do you understand politics and how America works? The president determines the agenda. Trump pushed and threatened the Repubs to pass his signature tax cut for the wealthy. Trump has power, real power. One is control over the party via his ability to primary the chickenshit Repubs.
You are simple and have such unnuanced ideas of politics and the world.
 
Getin the ring said:
I'd like to hear someone ask,

"what on earth makes you think that you can beat Trump at the polls when the economy is in full forward mode, Stock Market is at records highs, bad trade deals are being fixed, and ISIS and its threat to America has been all but wiped off the planet, and try not to laugh when you answer, Pocahontas you go first"
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Easy, check the front page of any credible newspaper.
 
Hello Nordberg,

Nordberg said:
Why don't we go back to what Bush did? Obama had to fix it and Trumpy takes all the credit. What has Trump done to improve the economy? His tax cut did nothing but exacerbate the wealth gap and increase the debt by 2 trillion. That is what all Repub presidents do. You guys believe silly memes and do no homework at all.
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It's a sad pattern which has happened over and over.

Clinton balanced the budget and handed GWB a surplus. His final stark words as President were directed squarely at GWB: "Pay down the debt, Pay down the debt, Pay down the debt." What did Bush do? He could have taken that money and responsibly paid down the debt as implored to do by Clinton, but NO! He ignored that good advice. Instead he smashed the piggy bank and raided it. He gave everybody an irresponsible tax refund, which did no good at all. By 2001 we were in recession. And by the end of the terrible GWB years, debt was up and we were on the verge of A DEPRESSION. The economy was in shambles and we entered the deepest recession since the Great Depression.
 
PoliTalker said:
Hello Nordberg,



It's a sad pattern which has happened over and over.

Clinton balanced the budget and handed GWB a surplus. His final stark words as President were directed squarely at GWB: "Pay down the debt, Pay down the debt, Pay down the debt." What did Bush do? He could have taken that money and responsibly paid down the debt as implored to do by Clinton, but NO! He ignored that good advice. Instead he smashed the piggy bank and raided it. He gave everybody an irresponsible tax refund, which did no good at all. By 2001 we were in recession. And by the end of the terrible GWB years, debt was up and we were on the verge of A DEPRESSION. The economy was in shambles and we entered the deepest recession since the Great Depression.
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a little history lesson for you

Clinton was in office when the internet .com swept the world, I believe a monkey could have resided over the WH affairs.

Obama printed money, literally printed money, again and no pun intended, a monkey could have done that

Unless of course you want to point out a policy that either of the two implemented that may have added to growth

we'll wait

(((cickets)))
 
PoliTalker said:
Hello Celticguy,



Big money likes illegals. A ready and available workforce which will take all the least desirable jobs and work hard without complaint, laying low for fear of being deported. Wall Street makes a lot of money off illegal immigration.
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Cant have it both ways
 
Hello Darth,

Darth Omar said:
The tax cut increased federal revenues.
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That's debatable.

It is true that revenues increased following the tax cut, but there is no proof that would not have happened anyway as the economy was already experiencing solid growth for years. Some of the increased revenue was temporary, too, part of one-time repatriation of some funds corporations had held overseas. When that money was repatriated, NONE of it 'trickled down' in the form of business expansion and new job creation. Instead, it was used for stock buy-backs to further enrich the already-rich. Since the very rich don't increase their consumer spending when they get more money, nothing trickled down to the economy either. As President Trump himself put it when talking to his rich Mar-A-Lago friends: "You all just got a lot richer." To which they toasted, smiled, and kept the money.


Darth Omar said:
Government spending is the problem—pretty much always.
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No, that's only what conservatives say. There is no consensus on that at all. Pure opinion.
 
Hello Port Tack,

Port Tack said:
Undeniably sick but true. The deficit invariably goes down under democratic administrations and rises under republicans yet they try and pride themselves as fiscally responsible.
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It's amazing their shtick works on gullible conservatives who want to believe starving our government into high debt helps the country. All they do is cut taxes and complain about spending. But when given the chance, they don't cut spending. It's mind boggling their minions never call them on the BS.
 
Port Tack said:
It may have gone up his first year but then fell every year thereafter. That is what happens when you are handed the worst recession in the countries history by a republican. It has done nothing but rise under Trump.
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You obviously have reading issues. Go back to 5th. grade, they'll teach you.
 
PoliTalker said:
Hello Port Tack,



It's amazing their shtick works on gullible conservatives who want to believe starving our government into high debt helps the country. All they do is cut taxes and complain about spending. But when given the chance, they don't cut spending. It's mind boggling their minions never call them on the BS.
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So you think liberals cut spending?

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Gonzomin said:
It is the plan.
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What 'plan'?
Gonzomin said:
https://www.theatlantic.com/politic...ng-up-the-deficit-is-part-of-the-plan/548720/ Do you understand politics and how America works?
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Yes. The United States is organized as a federated republic. You can't seem to grasp that.
Gonzomin said:
The president determines the agenda.
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No, the President suggests an agenda. The President has no ability to raise or lower the debt. Only Congress does.
Gonzomin said:
Trump pushed and threatened the Repubs to pass his signature tax cut for the wealthy.
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He didn't threaten anyone.
Gonzomin said:
Trump has power, real power. One is control over the party via his ability to primary the chickenshit Repubs.
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Suggestion is not control.
Gonzomin said:
You are simple and have such unnuanced ideas of politics and the world.
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No, that would be you.
 
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