Brirx echos Trump, saying that "someone had to have known" (WTO or China)

[Darth Omar]

Absolutely. Whether intentionally or not the virus began in a lab. We see now that it did not come from
the wet markets. Those opened up again a few weeks ago with nary a protest from the WHO, the CDC or anyone.
Why isn't the left screaming "China China China!!!"?

Well, for one thing it’s not Russia! Russia! Russia! Lol

I don’t even want to imagine if Russia did this to us. The left would be calling for WWIII.

The other reason is more obvious: The Tail must be pinned on Trump.

 

[Stretch]

Hello Althea,



Sounds like he did more golfing than caring about lives.

April 10: President Trump announced that 60 mask sterilization systems, with the ability to clean over 80,000 masks approximately 20 times, will be sent to 10 cities.

April 10: President Trump spoke with Russian President Vladimir Putin to discuss the global coronavirus response and the global energy market.

April 10: President Trump announced that a field hospital in Seattle will be leaving, as Washington State’s coronavirus outbreak becomes more manageable.

April 10: President Trump announced that his administration is working to bring blood-based serology tests to market “as quickly as possible” so Americans can determine if they have had the coronavirus.

April 10: President Trump announced that he will be establishing an “Opening Our Country Council” with more details coming early next week.

April 10: President Trump signed a Presidential Memorandum to facilitate the supply of medical equipment and other humanitarian relief to Italy.

April 10: Dr. Fauci spoke to Arkansas Governor Asa Hutchinson and Wyoming Governor Mark Gordon to discuss coronavirus mitigation in those states.

April 10: Vice President Pence, CDC Director Redfield, & Surgeon General Adams spoke to over 400 leaders of the African American community, including Jesse Jackson, NAACP representatives, & the National Black Nurses Association to discuss the impact of the coronavirus.

April 10: Vice President Pence spoke to Colorado Governor Jared Polis about the specific needs of his state’s battle against the coronavirus.

April 10: Vice President Pence announced that more than 2.1M coronavirus tests have been completed to date.

April 10: Vice President Pence announced that:

29,600 National Guard Troops have been activated

4,700 active duty medical personnel have been deployed to nine states
April 10: Vice President Pence announced that to date, 26 Project Airbridge flights have landed in the U.S. with PPE, with four flights scheduled to land today with 250,000 gowns and 25M pairs of gloves.

April 10: HHS began delivering $30B in relief funding to health care providers, part of the $100B allocated to health care providers by the CARES Act.

April 10: The FDA approved an emergency authorization for a blood purification device to treat coronavirus patients.

April 10: Transportation Secretary Elaine Chao announced $1B for Amtrak to continue rail service and respond to the spread of the coronavirus.

April 10: The Treasury Department launched a web portal to help Americans who did not file tax returns receive their coronavirus relief payments under the CARES Act.

April 10: The Treasury Department announced it will launch a new “get my payment” app where Americans can enter their direct deposit information to get coronavirus relief payments quicker.

April 10: The VA deployed medical staffers to New Orleans to help “surge” personnel in the area, which is currently being heavily impacted by the coronavirus.

April 11: President Trump approved a major disaster declaration for Wyoming related to the coronavirus outbreak, marking the first time in U.S. history a President has declared that a major disaster exists in all 50 states.

April 11: The DoD announced it is using The Defense Production Act to get the private sector to produce 39 million N95 masks within 90 days, a $133M investment.

April 11: Three Project Airbridge flights landed in Chicago, Illinois, delivering over 62 million gloves.

April 11: The Department of Justice announced it is monitoring state and local social distancing regulations to ensure religious organizations are not unfairly targeted.

April 11: The USDA added Florida & Idaho to the food stamp online pilot program, allowing food stamp recipients to purchase food online.

April 11: CMS expanded the requirements that private health insurers provide free coronavirus testing, saying that this includes anti-body testing and costs related to coronavirus testing, like emergency room or urgent care visits.

April 12: A deal brokered by President Trump was announced between The OPEC countries, Russia, and the U.S. to cut production and stabilize the oil market amid dual disruptions from coronavirus and the price war between Saudi Arabia & Russia.

April 12: The FDA issued an emergency authorization to devices from Advanced Sterilization Products, which can decontaminate approximately 4 million N95 respirators each day.

April 12: The FBI uncovered an international fraud scheme related to the attempted purchase of 39 million N95 masks by a Service Employees International Union Affiliate.

 

[PoliTalker]

Hello dukkha,

no he didn't know early. the cruise ship was left at sea as a quarantine measure. Trump declared the shutdown right after it was known to be a pandemic.. also he shut down flights from Europe and China much earlier -
saving lives
Once again your TDS fails to mention China's outrageous culpability

He only decided to save lives after he lost plenty.

And then, only to save his own election chances.

 

[PoliTalker]

Hello dukkha,

that wasn't a Trump decision. the CDC (acting as an autonomous agency) rejected the kits.

CDC works for DT, the buck stops on his desk.

 

[dukkha]

CDC works for DT, the buck stops on his desk.

no it doesn't .
Do you think a POTUS is capable of looking at the technical aspects of a test kit and making a decision
whether it;s valid or not?
Executives delegate and rely on expert advice -exactly what happened here.

Your Trump Derangement Syndrome is in critical condition. Code red

 

[dukkha]

Hello dukkha,



He only decided to save lives after he lost plenty.

And then, only to save his own election chances.

absurd, unfounded.political rant.

 

[Cypress]

that wasn't a Trump decision. the CDC (acting as an autonomous agency) rejected the kits.

CDC is a federal executive branch agency under the Department of HHS, and are led by Trump appointees.

Trump is responsible for the actions and effectiveness of the Executive Branch

Did you expect government competence when you vote for a party that professes hatred for government, government employees, and federal agencies?

 

[dukkha]

A deal brokered by President Trump was announced between The OPEC countries, Russia, and the U.S. to cut production and stabilize the oil market amid dual disruptions from coronavirus and the price war between Saudi Arabia & Russia.

i forgot about that..That was YUGE. Russia and KSA were deadlocked in a price war.

 

[dukkha]

CDC is a federal executive branch agency under the Department of HHS, and are led by Trump appointees.

Trump is responsible for the actions and effectiveness of the Executive Branch

Did you expect competence when you vote for a party that professes hatred for government, government employees, and federal agencies?

same fucking partisan rant. gawd you have become nothing but a hack.

What Trump can do is hire and fire people -which he does all the time- he can't evaluate masks or test kits.
He has to relay on the agencies recommendations

 

[dukkha]

Well, for one thing it’s not Russia! Russia! Russia! Lol

I don’t even want to imagine if Russia did this to us. The left would be calling for WWIII.

The other reason is more obvious: The Tail must be pinned on Trump.

what i have been saying since even before Trump was elected; China -not Russia - is the malign state actor

 

[Cypress]

same fucking partisan rant. gawd you have become nothing but a hack.

What Trump can do is hire and fire people -which he does all the time- he can't evaluate masks or test kits.
He has to relay on the agencies recommendations

So your position is that the leader of the Federal Executive Branch has no responsibility or accountability for the effectiveness and competence of the Federal Executive Branch?

My theory is that a political party which expresses hatred of the government is not a party you want leading effective and competent government responses

 

[dukkha]

Hello dukkha,



Wrong, all have criticized the president, and he advised Pence to stop talking to them until they paid him lip service.

The president is so insecure.

Anyone who doesn't suck up is either fired, tweet-shamed, or cut off from federal corona aid.

get your facts straight for once. Newsome and Cuomo (ex.) have publicly praised Trump

 

[dukkha]

So your opinion is that the leader of the Federal Executive Branch has no responsibility for the effectiveness and competence of the Federal Executive Branch?

My theory is that a political party which expresses hatred of the government is not a party you want leading effective and competent government responses

I didn't say that at all. POTUS has to manage the agencies.
He has to appoint quality people, but then has to let them do their things with their expertise

Micromanaging is as bad as no managing - and Cons don't "hate" government.
We want it scaled to problems
and not just tons of powers sent to the Feds ( federalism) and the 10th

 

[Darth Omar]

what i have been saying since even before Trump was elected; China -not Russia - is the malign state actor

And you were right, as usual.

As was Trump. Between stealing our technology and our manufacturing jobs and now this virus, China has screwed us six ways from Sunday.

Russians ‘threaten us’ with their ridiculous troll farms. The left is behind parody.

 

[Cypress]

I didn't say that at all. POTUS has to manage the agencies.
He has to appoint quality people, but then has to let them do their things with their expertise

Micromanaging is as bad as no managing - and Cons don't "hate" government.
We want it scaled to problems
and not just tons of powers sent to the Feds ( federalism) and the 10th

Bottom line

We should never have been put in the position by a minority of voters to have a dim-witted erstwhile TV game show host leading our nation during a unprecedented crisis

 

[Althea]

Mistakenly titling this thread to be about the World Trade Organization (WTO) is a clear give-away of concerns lying more with trade than health.

IOW, the premise being that the economy is more important than lives.

I say no, lives are more important.

Not with this poster. He's delusional now, but I knew him when he was much younger. His spelling/grammar were never all that good. This was a typo.

 

[Althea]

It does not matter because Trump was notified early and chose to do nothing. Remember in the beginning when he wanted people on a cruise ship to die at sea so it did not double his numbers? He was also talking about 1 case early and then about 15 that would just turn to none. Trump knew very early and was dealing with it politically protecting his 2020 chances.

Correct. He knew on Jan. 3

 

[Althea]

I suppose because they do lots of good medical work in places nobody else will go to. They have doctors that give vaccines in African countries many would not go to.
The WHO had testing kits that 60 countries used and Trump rejected them, choosing to have the CDC make them instead. The CDC kits did not work and we lost precious time. That was one of Trump's first terrible mistakes.

To be accurate, we never use WHO tests. We rely on our private sector throughout history. CDC had a test that worked, but they fucked in up when they mass produced it.

Nevertheless, trump knew on Jan. 3, and should have notified governors that they might want to take necessary steps to limit the spread.

Instead, he held Klan rallies, and golfed.

 

[Althea]

Hello dukkha,



If he had a real team of qualified people who would tell him things he doesn't want to hear he would have known.

Instead, everybody who doesn't suck up is gone. He is left with nothing but yes-faces falling all over themselves to praise him.

Even so, intelligence agencies knew in December. trump was briefed on Jan 3, but we know that he only accepts happy news in his daily briefings or he pouts.

There was heated debate for weeks, as trump refused to accept the truth. Now he's looking for someone to blame, and his loyal followers are spreading the propaganda on social media.

 

[Althea]

December 31: China reports the discovery of the coronavirus to the World Health Organization.

January 3: CDC Director Robert Redfield sent an email to the director of the Chinese CDC, George Gao, formally offering to send U.S. experts to China to investigate the coronavirus.

January 5: CDC Director Redfield sent another email to the Chinese CDC Director, George Gao, formally offering to send U.S. experts to China to investigate the coronavirus outbreak,

January 6: The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) issued a travel notice for Wuhan, China due to the spreading coronavirus.

January 7: The CDC established a coronavirus incident management system to better share and respond to information about the virus.

January 11: The CDC issued a Level I travel health notice for Wuhan, China.

January 17: The CDC began implementing public health entry screening at the 3 U.S. airports that received the most travelers from Wuhan – San Francisco, New York JFK, and Los Angeles.

It's very unusual for you trumpkins to admit the truth. You just admitted that trump did know on Jan 3...as I've been saying.



Of course we knew. We sent 18 tons of PPE to China in January