20,070 dead

Healthcare is better now. OTOH, if the fatality rate is 1% and at least a third of the country becomes infected, the Spanish flu pandemic will move to second place.
We were also a lot more rural a century ago. Not so crowded.

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“The C.I.A. has been warning the White House since at least early February that China has vastly understated its coronavirus infections and that its count could not be relied upon as the United States compiles predictive models to fight the virus, according to current and former intelligence officials.

American intelligence agencies have concluded that the Chinese government itself does not know the extent of the virus and is as blind as the rest of the world. Midlevel bureaucrats in the city of Wuhan, where the virus originated, and elsewhere in China have been lying about infection rates, testing and death counts, fearful that if they report numbers that are too high they will be punished, lose their position or worse, current and former intelligence officials said.

Bureaucratic misreporting is a chronic problem for any government, but it has grown worse in China as the Communist leadership has taken a more authoritarian turn in recent years under Mr. Xi.
The Times reported again the following day that Chinese officials appeared to be pushing for quick burials of the dead and suppressing online discussion of fatalities in order to head off public opprobrium over the government’s handling of the coronavirus outbreak:”
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I'm not 'Left ' myself- so I can say that Trump could have advised self-isolation much , much earlier even if he couldn't order it. Trump also ignored warnings of a pandemic, remained unprepared, unequipped and spent more energy trying to dismantle Obama's health projects that any sane president would do.

You say yourself that Trump is incapable of leadership but that is no excuse. The buck stops at his desk- always, not just sometimes. That's the nature of the job that he's unfit for.
Of course, the denial comes from Trump's swamp.

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What would you suggest that he had done...or is doing now...differently?
He could have advised self isolation a lot earlier, he could have started stockpiling PPE and ventilators. He's got no plans, it's just whatever pops into his head at the moment.

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He could have advised self isolation a lot earlier, he could have started stockpiling PPE and ventilators. He's got no plans, it's just whatever pops into his head at the moment.

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I think the world wishes they had been advised to self isolate earlier...and had started to stockpile equipment...the US isn't the only country to have been taken by surprise with the severity of this situation....considering the Lies from the Chinese concerning this flu I think our country has done an incredible job of dealing with this...
I must disagree he "has no plans"-there are conferences every day with suggestions and announcements...I do admit I listen more to our governor, because our plans here are specific to our state/localities....
Isn't that the way it should be? We're not NY...or Colorado...
How are things moving along where you live? Hope you're helping out the best you can and staying safe/well....
 
I think the world wishes they had been advised to self isolate earlier...and had started to stockpile equipment...the US isn't the only country to have been taken by surprise with the severity of this situation....considering the Lies from the Chinese concerning this flu I think our country has done an incredible job of dealing with this...
I must disagree he "has no plans"-there are conferences every day with suggestions and announcements...I do admit I listen more to our governor, because our plans here are specific to our state/localities....
Isn't that the way it should be? We're not NY...or Colorado...
How are things moving along where you live? Hope you're helping out the best you can and staying safe/well....

We're pretty much stuck in the apartment. My wife goes downstairs to get the mail each evening. We get our groceries delivered once each week. Our daughter drops in every once in a great while, but we only see the grandkids over the internet. We usually see El Presidente's daily rants, but, of course, there's seldom any useful content in those, mostly self aggrandizement and attacks on actual or potential critics. The sort of thing that his worshippers suck up, but then, they are all suckers.

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Awesome, that's our insurer.

You should receive a call from your agent. I got one yesterday, she said they have given a 25% discount. I don't know how you pay, I pay twice a year and they also said they would extend the due date, but I don't remember how long. I just paid my premium for the next 6 months so I doubt the extension will affect me.
 
We're pretty much stuck in the apartment. My wife goes downstairs to get the mail each evening. We get our groceries delivered once each week. Our daughter drops in every once in a great while, but we only see the grandkids over the internet. We usually see El Presidente's daily rants, but, of course, there's seldom any useful content in those, mostly self aggrandizement and attacks on actual or potential critics. The sort of thing that his worshippers suck up, but then, they are all suckers.

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We have a great deal more freedom here so I understand and sympathize with your frustrations....
I suggest you stop watching the national pressers if they upset you or you don't feel properly informed...
We'll get through this, but much more quickly if everyone works together....take care;)
 
We have a great deal more freedom here so I understand and sympathize with your frustrations....
I suggest you stop watching the national pressers if they upset you or you don't feel properly informed...
We'll get through this, but much more quickly if everyone works together....take care;)

Morning, TOP.

IF there's seldom any useful content in those, mostly self aggrandizement and attacks on actual or potential critics, why does he watch them?

Wonder why his wife has to get the mail.
 
Morning, TOP.

IF there's seldom any useful content in those, mostly self aggrandizement and attacks on actual or potential critics, why does he watch them?

Wonder why his wife has to get the mail.
Good Morning, Earl....Indeed....;)
People here spend Soooo much time here complaining/bashing instead of thinking positively and doing something to help.......time they'll never get back...
Stress kills....they need to remember that....
 
People here spend Soooo much time here complaining/bashing instead of thinking positively and doing something to help.......time they'll never get back...
Stress kills....they need to remember that....

Do you detect an element of hypocrisy, G ?

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I do, moon.
 
You should receive a call from your agent. I got one yesterday, she said they have given a 25% discount. I don't know how you pay, I pay twice a year and they also said they would extend the due date, but I don't remember how long. I just paid my premium for the next 6 months so I doubt the extension will affect me.

Thanks. Yeah, we just pay twice/year as well. IF we don't hear anything soon Mr. Owl will call them. Maybe they'll give you a credit towards your next bill?
 
Thanks. Yeah, we just pay twice/year as well. IF we don't hear anything soon Mr. Owl will call them. Maybe they'll give you a credit towards your next bill?

I quit paying insurance years ago- except where legally required to do so. Bunch of parasites, imho- preying on people's insecurities.
 
I quit paying insurance years ago- except where legally required to do so. Bunch of parasites, imho- preying on people's insecurities.

Unfortunately here auto insurance is mandated. And you are right -- it's a huge racket.

Everyone in the U.S. who pays health insurance premiums is going to be screaming soon when they see their premiums go through the roof because of the coronavirus. Sure would have been nice to have a Medicare-for-all or other national health insurance in place. But nooo.... freedumb!
 
Unfortunately here auto insurance is mandated. And you are right -- it's a huge racket.

Yes, I pay auto insurance, of course. I understand that that's to help protect the innocent from criminal drivers- but anything mandatory attracts crooks.
 
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