54% Say Administration Is Major Source Of Corona Misinformation

I was saying you are not basing your posts on science, not that anyone else was.

I am basing the definition of 'the flu' on government definitions.
Now, you could argue that it's not really a 'flu', but that's how the government has treated Covid viruses.

Of course, this is the same government that calls a tomato a vegetable.
 
You do make me laugh, ATMs are built to withstand the elements yet you think a quick spray with isopropyl alcohol could kill the electronics!!

Since either methyl and isopropyl alcohol is used to clean electronics, and is used to manufacture electronics, it's a bogus claim, obviously.

ATM's have different designs. All of them are built to withstand physical abuse by users of the machine or by thieves. Some ATM's are designed for indoor use only. These are typically found in convenience stores, grocery stores, and at checkout counters in a variety of stores. Some ATMs are designed for an outdoor installation, in a protected area (reasonably protected from rain and snow). You will find these under the eaves of stores and banks, or in little kiosks built for them.
Some are designed for portable operation. They can withstand typical summer weather exposure including some direct rain. You will find these typically at county and summer fairs. Even then, often a kiosk of sorts is built around them.
I know of no design used for uncontrolled weather exposure.

My business is to design and build sensors for industrial, aerospace, and medical uses. Some of these sensors and their control systems are designed to go into caustic environments, be exposed to the open weather and corrosive agents like chlorine gas, work reliably in anything from hot airport tarmacs on a scorching day in the desert to freezing temperatures. They are designed to handle the harsh radiation of open space or around a nuclear power plant reactor. They are designed to even operate underwater in a sewage system (really GROSS underwater!). Lives depend on some of these sensors and control systems, and they have to work that reliably.

I know how to build equipment for harsh environments. The typical ATM or point of sale terminal is a wimp, but alcohol will not affect it.
 
One thing you learn in life is there is a massive difference between waterproof and weatherproof. Your house is weatherproof, but if you throw it into a lake, it will sink, because it is not waterproof.
If you could throw a house into a lake, I'm calling a superhero to deal with you. You are obviously evil, throwing houses into lakes.
Well, virus proof is even more difficult.
It is not possible to make something virus proof. Alcohol can destroy a virus, but nothing on Earth is virus proof.
The rubber gaskets that are waterproof are great places for the viruses to hide.
You aren't touching the rubber (actually they're typically neoprene) gaskets, are you? No worries!
Lenin said, "there are decades where nothing happens and weeks where decades happen", well it feels like decades are happening every week in design. It is fascinating to watch how they are trying to defeat viruses now.
It's a comedy show.
 
Posted by a liar fallacy. Neither CDC nor WHO ever called Covid-19 a 'flu'.

There is no such thing as a 'liar fallacy'. Mockery. Denial of logic. Divisional error fallacy. Both CDC and WHO have called Covid viruses 'the flu', even though they do not call Covid-19 'the flu' (mostly for political purposes, apparently).
 
Hello Walt,



Coronavirus particles are about 125 nm in size. I had to laugh during the discussion about opening up beaches when somebody remarked that there were no hard surfaces for the virus to settle on at the beach. I immediately pictured in my mind a 125 nm particle next to a grain of sand. It would look like an aircraft carrier to a BB. (Actually more drastic than that.)

Something to think about before letting your children play in the sand where others have recently been.



There are touch-screen ATMs, but you do have to insert your card into the same slot that everybody else uses.

For the last 2 months, I have routinely worn gloves when using a card, and then used sanitizer on the exterior of the gloves, and the card immediately afterward.

I have also adopted the habit of 'laundering money.' I have found that it is completely fine with being wiped with alcohol. Dries out just fine, and rather rapidly.

Transactions in general have been kept to a minimum. Pretty much just getting food and gas and little else.

And while you are doing all this, you look like a hypochondria dork.
 
There is a reason people think the administration is a major source of misinformation - BECAUSE IT IS!

"January 22: “We have it totally under control. It’s one person coming in from China. It’s going to be just fine.” (Wrong!)

February 2: “We pretty much shut it down coming in from China.” (Wrong AGAIN!)

February 24: “The Coronavirus is very much under control in the USA… Stock Market starting to look very good to me!” (So wrong.)

February 25: “CDC and my Administration are doing a GREAT job of handling Coronavirus.” (As they totally botched testing while other nations had no problem.)

February 25: “I think that's a problem that’s going to go away… They have studied it. They know very much. In fact, we’re very close to a vaccine.” (This was a total lie. We still have no vaccine.)

February 26: “The 15 (cases in the US) within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero.” (Obviously that wasn't correct. We are over a million Active Cases, and close to 100,000 deaths.)

February 26: “We're going very substantially down, not up.” (A straight up bold faced lie.)

February 27: “One day it’s like a miracle, it will disappear.” (If that ever happens it certainly won't be any time soon. The Bubonic Plague still exists. There are places that you can still get the "Black Death")

February 28: “Now the Democrats are ... this is their new hoax.” (We all wish it was a hoax.)

February 29 “So far, we have lost nobody to corona virus in the United States.” (can't say that anymore)

March 2: “You take a solid flu vaccine, you don't think that could have an impact, or much of an impact, on corona?” (And this is the guy who muses he could have been a doctor?)

March 5: “I NEVER said people that are feeling sick should go to work.” (But now you have ordered meat packers to do just that without requiring tests.)

March 5: “The United States… has, as of now, only 129 cases… and 11 deaths. We are working very hard to keep these numbers as low as possible!” (You failed.)

March 6: “I think we’re doing a really good job in this country at keeping it down… a tremendous job at keeping it down.” (You're out to lunch. It was a terrible job. Tens of thousands dead.)

March 6: “Anybody right now, and yesterday, anybody that needs a test gets a test." (No, they could not. and they still can't. )

March 6: “I don't need to have the numbers double because of one ship that wasn't our fault.” (This was incredibly cruel and selfish.)

March 9: “This blindsided the world.” (No it didn't. You suppressed it.)

March 10: "It will go away. Just stay calm. It will go away." (You have no idea what you're talking about.)

March 13: “I don't take responsibility at all” (Finally some honesty.)

March 16: "I give myself a 10 out of 10" (In selfishness.)

March 19: "Nobody knew there would be a pandemic or epidemic of this proportion.” (You were warned in January on at least 12 occasions)
 
There is no such thing as a 'liar fallacy'. Mockery. Denial of logic. Divisional error fallacy. Both CDC and WHO have called Covid viruses 'the flu', even though they do not call Covid-19 'the flu' (mostly for political purposes, apparently).

I am mocking your ignorant use of all the fallacy labels. I haven't seen you get one right yet.
 
There are touch-screen ATMs, but you do have to insert your card into the same slot that everybody else uses.

For the last 2 months, I have routinely worn gloves when using a card, and then used sanitizer on the exterior of the gloves, and the card immediately afterward.

I have also adopted the habit of 'laundering money.' I have found that it is completely fine with being wiped with alcohol. Dries out just fine, and rather rapidly.

Transactions in general have been kept to a minimum. Pretty much just getting food and gas and little else.

When lab equipment or medical equipment was designed, it was designed for viruses to easily be cleaned out of it. That was not even being looked at when designing ATMs, but now we are rethinking it all. I cannot believe the speed of innovation these days. A few years from now, you will be able to look at just about anything and know immediately if it is a pre-pandemic or post-pandemic design.

Meanwhile, the Alt Right is stating they know absolute answers, and we all should be listening to them... At the same time they are being more and more ignored.
 
Masks are not 100% effective vs droplets. Masks don't do much for this particular purpose outside of making one look like a hypochondriatic doofus.

To be effective, they do not have to be 100% effective. If we can reduce the spread of the virus to an R below 1, we win sooner are later.

This is one of those situations we can either believe the vast majority of medical experts, or we can believe a guy who thinks that Covid-19 is a flu.
 
"Over half of the people surveyed in an April poll said President Donald Trump's administration was responsible for significant amounts of misinformation on the new coronavirus.

A survey by Gallup and the Knight Foundation that interviewed 1,693 adults across all 50 states and the District of Columbia who were members of Gallup's panel April 14-20 found that 54% of respondents said the Trump administration was either the largest or second-largest source of coronavirus misinformation.

Respondents were asked what they thought were the "main" and "next most common" sources of "false or misleading information about the coronavirus in the US." The choices were the Trump administration, mainstream national news, social-media websites and apps, state elected officials (governors), friends and family, and local news."

Business Insider

Expectedly, party affiliation determined what people believed.

Republicans say the mainstream news is the most responsible for misinformation, and Democrats say it is Trump and Republicans.

"The White House has not responded to Business Insider's request for comment at the time of publication."

Where does Fauci figure into that? Because he is A-target #1 right about now.

How many people has that POS hurt in America at this point in time?
 
There is a reason people think the administration is a major source of misinformation - BECAUSE IT IS!

"January 22: “We have it totally under control. It’s one person coming in from China. It’s going to be just fine.” (Wrong!)

February 2: “We pretty much shut it down coming in from China.” (Wrong AGAIN!)

February 24: “The Coronavirus is very much under control in the USA… Stock Market starting to look very good to me!” (So wrong.)

February 25: “CDC and my Administration are doing a GREAT job of handling Coronavirus.” (As they totally botched testing while other nations had no problem.)

February 25: “I think that's a problem that’s going to go away… They have studied it. They know very much. In fact, we’re very close to a vaccine.” (This was a total lie. We still have no vaccine.)

February 26: “The 15 (cases in the US) within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero.” (Obviously that wasn't correct. We are over a million Active Cases, and close to 100,000 deaths.)

February 26: “We're going very substantially down, not up.” (A straight up bold faced lie.)

February 27: “One day it’s like a miracle, it will disappear.” (If that ever happens it certainly won't be any time soon. The Bubonic Plague still exists. There are places that you can still get the "Black Death")

February 28: “Now the Democrats are ... this is their new hoax.” (We all wish it was a hoax.)

February 29 “So far, we have lost nobody to corona virus in the United States.” (can't say that anymore)

March 2: “You take a solid flu vaccine, you don't think that could have an impact, or much of an impact, on corona?” (And this is the guy who muses he could have been a doctor?)

March 5: “I NEVER said people that are feeling sick should go to work.” (But now you have ordered meat packers to do just that without requiring tests.)

March 5: “The United States… has, as of now, only 129 cases… and 11 deaths. We are working very hard to keep these numbers as low as possible!” (You failed.)

March 6: “I think we’re doing a really good job in this country at keeping it down… a tremendous job at keeping it down.” (You're out to lunch. It was a terrible job. Tens of thousands dead.)

March 6: “Anybody right now, and yesterday, anybody that needs a test gets a test." (No, they could not. and they still can't. )

March 6: “I don't need to have the numbers double because of one ship that wasn't our fault.” (This was incredibly cruel and selfish.)

March 9: “This blindsided the world.” (No it didn't. You suppressed it.)

March 10: "It will go away. Just stay calm. It will go away." (You have no idea what you're talking about.)

March 13: “I don't take responsibility at all” (Finally some honesty.)

March 16: "I give myself a 10 out of 10" (In selfishness.)

March 19: "Nobody knew there would be a pandemic or epidemic of this proportion.” (You were warned in January on at least 12 occasions)

Trump lives rent-free between your ears and pokes your brain with a cocktail sword every 4 minutes, you fucking retard.
 
I am basing the definition of 'the flu' on government definitions.
Now, you could argue that it's not really a 'flu', but that's how the government has treated Covid viruses.

Of course, this is the same government that calls a tomato a vegetable.

No one with any education in government would make such a simple mistake. The "government" is a big organization, so maybe some janitor somewhere has called it a flu, but that does not make it so.

Tomato is a vegetable. When deciding whether something is a fruit or a vegetable, botanical definitions are immaterial, because vegetable has no botanical definition. We are looking at culinary definitions. A fruit would sweet and almost eaten as a desert. Under this definition, a tomato is definitely a vegetable.

Would you call peas fruits? It is the fruit of the pea plant, but clearly it is a culinary vegetable.
 
Both CDC and WHO have called Covid viruses 'the flu', even though they do not call Covid-19 'the flu' (mostly for political purposes, apparently).

Maybe someone has made a mistake and called it a flu, but it clearly is not a flu. It has some similar symptoms, but it does not even have the same symptoms as the flu.
 
Hello Walt,

When lab equipment or medical equipment was designed, it was designed for viruses to easily be cleaned out of it. That was not even being looked at when designing ATMs, but now we are rethinking it all. I cannot believe the speed of innovation these days. A few years from now, you will be able to look at just about anything and know immediately if it is a pre-pandemic or post-pandemic design.

Meanwhile, the Alt Right is stating they know absolute answers, and we all should be listening to them... At the same time they are being more and more ignored.

No, they just really don't want to acknowledge troubling facts. They want what they want and they are not going to let the left tell them it is a mistake.

The problem for the alt-right is that they live in a world that doesn't exist. It is an alternative world with alternative facts. But it's not real. It seems real to them, but it actually only exists in their minds.

That's why they don't fit into the real world very well.

It is extremely irresponsible for a politician to capitalize on hatred.

And make no mistake. This hatred is whipped up by the big money right. They donate to these Right Wing disinformation organizations, which in turn disseminate talking points to the angry hateful far right. They are constantly primed for a confrontation. They live for it. Who takes an assault rifle to a protest? That is begging for trouble. Having a gathering to express a common view is one thing. Aching for a fight is quite another. Nothing would be resolved with public violence.

That's why we saw confederate flags at 'open up' demonstrations. What the heck? There's nothing racial about this crisis. Except perhaps that COVID attacks poor blacks in greater numbers because they often do not have the healthiest lives anyway, being financially disadvantaged in the first place. So it's pretty hateful if these protestors are wanting poor people to be forced back to work at risk if they believe more blacks will die because of it.

That would be deplorable.
 
Goodbye Matt Dillon,

Trump lives rent-free between your ears and pokes your brain with a cocktail sword every 4 minutes, you f****** retard.

Cool! Right on. Glad you went ahead and told me how you really feel. Now, dealing with you has become really easy.

I wasn't sure how to take your posts, but I could see it wasn't headed in a good direction. I like polite academic discussions. Mind to mind. Comparing knowledge and understanding, the reasons each hold their particular view, which is unique to each of us. But you're not like that. You're easy. You just want to tell people off. Well that's fine and you can tell me off. Once. That's it. That's on you. Anybody can do that one time. Nothing special about that. It requires no thought nor understanding. So there's the cast, you've slung the bait out there, hoping to get one on the line, you're trolling.

The only problem is: It takes two in order for this abuser/enabler dysfunctional internet conversation to occur. There has to be the abuser, and then there is the enabler. Obviously YOU want to play this game. You've made that entirely clear with that post. Still, just one little problem. You are only ONE PERSON.

I am not playing. You've made your move. Now it's my turn. I have a choice, here. The options are: a) Get triggered, go with the snappy come-back, knowing that from then on, politics is no longer the point. Each individual has found someone they wish to dump all their anger and frustration upon, and they go at each other, or b) Immediately cut off all communication because once the line of mutual respect has been crossed, it only goes downhill from there.

Well, Pffffft! Easy choice. You're on permanent Ignore. And it's such an easy choice. I won't be missing anything about you.

I saw no value in your comments. Your posts were always a let-down. I come here looking for intellectual political discussion, and that does exist here, but I never saw it in your posts. If I were a political science instructor, and you were a student, you would be failing. I brushed off your little innuendos and taunts, hoping to draw out something better in you, challenging you on the facts and thinking about what is best for the United States of America, of which we are all a part, thus what is best for we individuals; but you appear to be completely devoid of even having a political opinion. All you know seems to be that you do not like liberals. Your posts were no challenge at all. Just shallow. You are apparently incapable of posting more than two or three sentences. Do you consider concepts which require intricate understanding far more involved than the length of a tweet? I've seen no evidence of it.

Well, here's your chance to really let me have it now. I wouldn't be surprised if you do. I actually kind of expect it. Seems to be all the rage. Literally. So go ahead if you wish.

But it won't matter because I'll just never read it. And I won't even read it if somebody else quoted it. It'll be like you never said anything. Write anything you want! It'll be like talking to a brick wall. You wanna get to me? Ha. I just shut you down once and for all. You get the one thing you are not looking for. Silence. You can quote me and reply all you want from now on. You get NOTHING out of me. Which, of course, is all I ever got out of you.

Quoting from my signature, which I stand behind: "I'll never read a word you write, even if quoted by another, nor respond to you, nor participate in your threads."

IOW, I get the last word!

:)

Have a good life.

Poof!
 
Rightys are noisemakers. They say whatever they think will excuse this admin from blame for the Trump Pandemic. The fact is in America reported deaths are tabulated and analyzed. The death rate during the Trump Pandemic is highly elevated. Those are numbers. They are not Dem or Repub. Just numbers. The death rate has gone up exactly as the medical system said it would from the Trump Pandemic. No rightys we did not have a huge increase in cancer deaths. We actually, due to the Trump shutdown, have a lot fewer auto accident deaths. Theses are Corona deaths caused by the Trump pandemic.
 
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