That was not a riot, you asshole.
No cop should be allowed to do what happened there.
But, obviously you are too full of your moronic self to recognize it.
PLEASE TRY TO DEFEND THIS ACTION BY POLICE ... PLEASE I DARE YOU
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That was not a riot, you asshole.
No cop should be allowed to do what happened there.
But, obviously you are too full of your moronic self to recognize it.
T. A. Gardner
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“I will add that I try to be excruciatingly polite in my posts.“
Well, you’ve already lied about one thing...
I tried to be polite and did apologize. But there are times when someone needs to be firmly reminded there are stupid questions and statements.
Hey Frank.....surely you have seen enough theater over the years to be on the lookout for more of it.
T. A. Gardner
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This is a common "Use of Force" model for law enforcement.
As you can see on it when someone is not compliant or cooperative, and the guy was not compliant to verbal commands, the next step up is "tactical" and to use "contact controls" like pushing the person away or otherwise physically creating space. If that fails then it escalates to compliance. That is taking them down physically and restraining them.
That the guy fell after being pushed was clearly not something the officer expected, and you can hear their conversation afterwards confirming that.
The guy was at fault
As you can see on it when someone is not compliant or cooperative, and the guy was not compliant to verbal commands, the next step up is "tactical" and to use "contact controls" like pushing the person away or otherwise physically creating space. If that fails then it escalates to compliance. That is taking them down physically and restraining them.
That the guy fell after being pushed was clearly not something the officer expected, and you can hear their conversation afterwards confirming that.
The guy was at fault
he is 75. he was pushed hard enough. That is a fact. Your opinion, while expected to be that, is wrong. You know nothing about his medication. You are flailing to find an excuse where one is not possible. The cops compounded the problem, by walking by as he bled on the concrete.
STFU. Hawkeye was trying to be some what polite. The fact is the old liberal was unsteady on this feet. They all are. Young or old. Fuck him.
First reply to me and I have shown you no disrespect. Your opinion of my opinion is disrespectful and not polite. I don’t have much hope for you because in your apology you are impolite once, again.
The police need to be very cognizant of their response to peaceful protestors at this time being that the protest are about abuse by police.This is a common "Use of Force" model for law enforcement.
As you can see on it when someone is not compliant or cooperative, and the guy was not compliant to verbal commands, the next step up is "tactical" and to use "contact controls" like pushing the person away or otherwise physically creating space. If that fails then it escalates to compliance. That is taking them down physically and restraining them.
That the guy fell after being pushed was clearly not something the officer expected, and you can hear their conversation afterwards confirming that.
The guy was at fault
T. A. Gardner
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I explained all of that satisfactorily. You may disagree, may not like it, but facts are facts.
The police didn't know that guy's age, or his medical condition. How could they possibly know either? All they see is this older, fairly large, male approaching them and not listening to their commands to get back and away from them.
He instead continues to approach three police officer who clearly are telling him to get away from him. He tries to engage them in conversation or about something in his right hand. Either way, he clearly is not paying attention to the situation he put himself in.
The one officer pushes him back to create space as they advance. The old man staggers back and falls.
The police do look at him and the officers continue to advance as they are trained, knowing that there are EMT and other officers behind them that will take care of the problem (man). Their focus is on the remaining crowd and protecting the EMT, and the man they now have potentially taken into custody from that crowd. The front line doesn't stop to help the guy because they're not supposed to.
Yet, there seems to be any number of people that simply don't get that that is how police in crowd and riot control operate. The police did what they were supposed to, and if that guy hadn't tried to engage them like he did he wouldn't have been injured as a result of his inappropriate actions.
T. A. Gardner
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I can agree with that. In the Buffalo case, they acted appropriately. Yes, the guy fell and hit his head. EMT looked after him almost immediately. They did what they were trained to do all around. But, some want to blame the police for anything and everything.
Yes, there are bad cops. Yes, some do things they shouldn't or weren't trained to do. This isn't one of those cases. There was no reason to put a knee on Floyd's neck. That was clearly completely wrong and unnecessary.
But, pushing a guy back when he won't move back after repeatedly being told to do so by a line of cops in riot gear is dumbassery on the part of the guy, nothing less. The officer pushed him back firmly as appropriate use of force when the guy didn't comply with verbal instructions. The officer had no way of knowing his actions would knock the man down or that he would hit his head in falling.
The officer acted appropriately. The guy was at fault for not listening to the police.
Darth Omar
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NYC calmer as Buffalo police draw ire for protester injury
The latest night of protests in New York City sparked by the death of George Floyd at the hands of police was markedly calmer, while video of a police officer appearing to shove an elderly protester who falls and cracks his head in Buffalo drew widespread condemnation.
Video from WFBO showed a Buffalo police officer appearing to push the 75-year-old man who walked up to police clearing Niagara Square around the 8 p.m. curfew Thursday. The man falls straight backward and hits his head on the pavement, with blood leaking out as officers walk past.
The video quickly went viral on social media, spurring outrage. Buffalo police initially said in a statement that a person “was injured when he tripped & fell,” WIVB-TV reported, but Capt. Jeff Rinaldo later told the TV station that an internal affairs investigation was opened. The police commissioner subsequently suspended two police officers without pay, Mayor Byron Brown said in a statement.
The mayor of the western New York city, who expressed he was “deeply disturbed” by the video, said the unidentified man was in “stable but serious” condition at a hospital.
In this image from video provided by WBFO, a Buffalo police officer appears to shove a man who walked up to police Thursday, June 4, 2020, in Buffalo, N.Y. Video from WBFO shows the man appearing to hit his head on the pavement, with blood leaking out as officers walk past to clear Niagara Square. Buffalo police initially said in a statement that a person “was injured when he tripped & fell,” WIVB-TV reported, but Capt. Jeff Rinaldo later told the TV station that an internal affairs investigation was opened. Police Commissioner Byron Lockwood suspended two officers late Thursday, the mayor’s statement said. (Mike Desmond/WBFO via AP)
It’s inexcusable.
But it also gets the recurrent theme award. What was the old dude thinking?
T. A. Gardner
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What will more likely happen is that the emergency response team will be disbanded because the department can't get anyone to be on it--mandatory or volunteer-- That will make things worse when they need such a team. They might contract it out to another department with one instead. Or, they could simply let things escalate in situations where they need one and use state police or even the National Guard instead. Or, the department might simply suit up their untrained officers in riot gear and hope for the best...
When the whole team quits it rarely is because they think the guy getting disciplined deserved it. The usual is they think he didn't and are thinking, instead, I could be next to get punished for doing my job right.
It doesn't matter what your perception of it is, only what the officer's on that team's perception of how they were treated is in this case.
I do not know. What was he doing 3 sec into the video? Reaching for the LEO's weapon?
Darth Omar
Russian asset
If he was, that’s a big no-no.
If I see heavily armed cops coming my way—I stay out of their way.
NYC calmer as Buffalo police draw ire for protester injury
The latest night of protests in New York City sparked by the death of George Floyd at the hands of police was markedly calmer, while video of a police officer appearing to shove an elderly protester who falls and cracks his head in Buffalo drew widespread condemnation.
Video from WFBO showed a Buffalo police officer appearing to push the 75-year-old man who walked up to police clearing Niagara Square around the 8 p.m. curfew Thursday. The man falls straight backward and hits his head on the pavement, with blood leaking out as officers walk past.
The video quickly went viral on social media, spurring outrage. Buffalo police initially said in a statement that a person “was injured when he tripped & fell,” WIVB-TV reported, but Capt. Jeff Rinaldo later told the TV station that an internal affairs investigation was opened. The police commissioner subsequently suspended two police officers without pay, Mayor Byron Brown said in a statement.
The mayor of the western New York city, who expressed he was “deeply disturbed” by the video, said the unidentified man was in “stable but serious” condition at a hospital.
In this image from video provided by WBFO, a Buffalo police officer appears to shove a man who walked up to police Thursday, June 4, 2020, in Buffalo, N.Y. Video from WBFO shows the man appearing to hit his head on the pavement, with blood leaking out as officers walk past to clear Niagara Square. Buffalo police initially said in a statement that a person “was injured when he tripped & fell,” WIVB-TV reported, but Capt. Jeff Rinaldo later told the TV station that an internal affairs investigation was opened. Police Commissioner Byron Lockwood suspended two officers late Thursday, the mayor’s statement said. (Mike Desmond/WBFO via AP)
The Anti-American pinko drama queened the fall too much and paid for it. Like basketball players who put on an act when another player charges.