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End of the line for noted traitor Robert E Lee
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Lots of ones of Lincoln, our most overtly racist prez.
moon
Satire for Sanity
You're years out of date with that fig-leaf for fascists. International law is the route to peace - so accept it or be branded complicit with Izraeli terrorism. And racism, of course. The neoZionist scum are degenerates.
No one retires to the north.
Iolo/Penderyn
Verified User
there isnt a northerner on the planet that will allow the south to forget what morons they are
Then why are you so damned determined to destroy the monuments reminding them, idiot?
He was a slaver, but a storm at sea converted him, he became a abolitionist and that is when he wrote his hymns.
moon
Satire for Sanity
That's right- but his philanthropy was funded , in part, by his previously accumulated wealth- just as Colston, the ex-slaver whose statue has just been destroyed in the UK, accumulated the wealth which he later put to philanthropic use.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-protests-statues-idUSKBN23F12M
PoliTalker
Diversity Makes Greatness
Hello Dutch Uncle,
He fought AGAINST THE UNITED STATES.
He violated the United States Constitution.
He tried to destroy the United States of America.
The only thing we should celebrate about Lee is that he failed and he lost.
Darn good thing!
He fought AGAINST THE UNITED STATES.
He violated the United States Constitution.
He tried to destroy the United States of America.
The only thing we should celebrate about Lee is that he failed and he lost.
Darn good thing!
BartenderElite
Verified User
He also fought to free the slaves. Instead of, ya know, to keep them enslaved...
Wait for the Republicans totally to fuck the climate, then see!
And you deny science too... ill act surprised
At least you admit he was racist.
I understand your opinion.
I think Lee committed mutiny against his commander in chief, the President of the United State - and led armed forces of the Confederate States of America against U.S. soldiers
That is behavior which does not deserve immortal commemoration and a place of honor in a monument on public property, imo
If anything, we should expend more effort commemorating abolitionists like Frederick Douglass, Harriet Tubman, Sojourner Truth, William Lloyd Garrison.
PoliTalker
Diversity Makes Greatness
Hello Phantasmal,
Right on.
Great article:
"The myth of Lee goes something like this: He was a brilliant strategist and devoted Christian man who abhorred slavery and labored tirelessly after the war to bring the country back together.
There is little truth in this. Lee was a devout Christian, and historians regard him as an accomplished tactician. But despite his ability to win individual battles, his decision to fight a conventional war against the more densely populated and industrialized North is considered by many historians to have been a fatal strategic error.
But even if one conceded Lee’s military prowess, he would still be responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Americans in defense of the South’s authority to own millions of human beings as property because they are black. Lee’s elevation is a key part of a 150-year-old propaganda campaign designed to erase slavery as the cause of the war and whitewash the Confederate cause as a noble one. That ideology is known as the Lost Cause, and as the historian David Blight writes, it provided a “foundation on which Southerners built the Jim Crow system.”"
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" Lee is a pivotal figure in American history worthy of study. Neither the man who really existed, nor the fictionalized tragic hero of the Lost Cause, is a hero worthy of a statue in a place of honor. As one Union veteran angrily put it in 1903 when Pennsylvania was considering placing a statue of Lee at Gettysburg, “If you want historical accuracy as your excuse, then place upon this field a statue of Lee holding in his hand the banner under which he fought, bearing the legend: ‘We wage this war against a government conceived in liberty and dedicated to humanity.’” The most fitting monument to Lee is the national military cemetery the federal government placed on the grounds of his former home in Arlington. "
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"The white supremacists who have protested on Lee’s behalf are not betraying his legacy. In fact, they have every reason to admire him. Lee, whose devotion to white supremacy outshone his loyalty to his country, is the embodiment of everything they stand for. Tribe and race over country is the core of white nationalism, and racists can embrace Lee in good conscience.
The question is why anyone else would."
Those who buy in to the fictional Lee that never existed are not going to want to hear any of THAT.
Right on.
Great article:
"The myth of Lee goes something like this: He was a brilliant strategist and devoted Christian man who abhorred slavery and labored tirelessly after the war to bring the country back together.
There is little truth in this. Lee was a devout Christian, and historians regard him as an accomplished tactician. But despite his ability to win individual battles, his decision to fight a conventional war against the more densely populated and industrialized North is considered by many historians to have been a fatal strategic error.
But even if one conceded Lee’s military prowess, he would still be responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Americans in defense of the South’s authority to own millions of human beings as property because they are black. Lee’s elevation is a key part of a 150-year-old propaganda campaign designed to erase slavery as the cause of the war and whitewash the Confederate cause as a noble one. That ideology is known as the Lost Cause, and as the historian David Blight writes, it provided a “foundation on which Southerners built the Jim Crow system.”"
...
" Lee is a pivotal figure in American history worthy of study. Neither the man who really existed, nor the fictionalized tragic hero of the Lost Cause, is a hero worthy of a statue in a place of honor. As one Union veteran angrily put it in 1903 when Pennsylvania was considering placing a statue of Lee at Gettysburg, “If you want historical accuracy as your excuse, then place upon this field a statue of Lee holding in his hand the banner under which he fought, bearing the legend: ‘We wage this war against a government conceived in liberty and dedicated to humanity.’” The most fitting monument to Lee is the national military cemetery the federal government placed on the grounds of his former home in Arlington. "
...
"The white supremacists who have protested on Lee’s behalf are not betraying his legacy. In fact, they have every reason to admire him. Lee, whose devotion to white supremacy outshone his loyalty to his country, is the embodiment of everything they stand for. Tribe and race over country is the core of white nationalism, and racists can embrace Lee in good conscience.
The question is why anyone else would."
Those who buy in to the fictional Lee that never existed are not going to want to hear any of THAT.
^ psychobabble 