End of the line for noted traitor Robert E Lee

[Darth Omar]

It’s not like most those monuments were erected in the immediate aftermath of the Civil War. They came later.

"Most of the people who were involved in erecting the monuments were not necessarily erecting a monument to the past," said Jane Dailey, an associate professor of history at the University of Chicago."But were rather, erecting them toward a white supremacist future."
The most recent comprehensive study of Confederate statues and monuments across the country was published by the Southern Poverty Law Center last year. A look at this chart shows huge spikes in construction twice during the 20th century: in the early 1900s, and then again in the 1950s and 60s. Both were times of extreme civil rights tension.

https://www.npr.org/2017/08/20/5442...e-built-to-further-a-white-supremacist-future

Sorry, the SPLC is no longer a trusted source.

 

[Hawkeye10]

the whole sorry lot is so reminiscent of Mao's Cultural Revolution.

That wasn't just the collectives that caused widespread famine -it was also the wiping out of any and all reference s to "old China" which is typical of facist revolutions .
Shaming/re-educating the intellectuals who would remember 'old China' was part of it

1. you must be woke
2.you must not criticize the leadership -to do so invites name calling and marginalization
3. you must join in and express your wokeness when others shame leadership into the fold

Lots of people have been saying this over the last weeks, and I think it is correct. I also recall that the Chinese who lived through it overwhelming came to the conclusion that it was a bad idea.

Could it be that the Chinese, they who know this is bad for society because they lived it, are encouraging America to go down this road through their extensive connections with the failed Universities where the Woke Religion is taught and headquartered? The Chinese are coming for us, helping us grind ourselves into the dirt through societal destruction is a lot cheaper and easier than all of the other ways to take America out.

I wonder.

 

[BartenderElite]

By your logic, the Holocaust museum in Washington, DC is a dedication to genocide. Dude, it's not the monument that matters but how it's viewed. Obviously the Holocaust museum is a memorial to those killed by genocide.

By tearing down statues, they're simply erasing history; Democrat historical revisionism at its best.

Terrible comparison, DU. Museums by their nature ARE educational - we don't erect museums for the sole purpose of honoring people.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

It’s not like most those monuments were erected in the immediate aftermath of the Civil War. They came later.

"Most of the people who were involved in erecting the monuments were not necessarily erecting a monument to the past," said Jane Dailey, an associate professor of history at the University of Chicago."But were rather, erecting them toward a white supremacist future."
The most recent comprehensive study of Confederate statues and monuments across the country was published by the Southern Poverty Law Center last year. A look at this chart shows huge spikes in construction twice during the 20th century: in the early 1900s, and then again in the 1950s and 60s. Both were times of extreme civil rights tension.

https://www.npr.org/2017/08/20/5442...e-built-to-further-a-white-supremacist-future

True. Just like the MLK statue in Washington DC was erected 43 years after he died. Most Americans weren't even alive when he was killed.

 

[anatta]

It’s not like most those monuments were erected in the immediate aftermath of the Civil War. They came later.

"Most of the people who were involved in erecting the monuments were not necessarily erecting a monument to the past," said Jane Dailey, an associate professor of history at the University of Chicago."But were rather, erecting them toward a white supremacist future."
The most recent comprehensive study of Confederate statues and monuments across the country was published by the Southern Poverty Law Center last year. A look at this chart shows huge spikes in construction twice during the 20th century: in the early 1900s, and then again in the 1950s and 60s. Both were times of extreme civil rights tension.

https://www.npr.org/2017/08/20/5442...e-built-to-further-a-white-supremacist-future

ROFL @ SPLC

in the early 1900s,

50 years after the Civil War

1950s and 60s

100th year anniversary

Of course there was Jim Crowe stuff as well, but the white supremecists never had true power.
Assasinating Huey Long was the best they could do.
George Wallace was probably the most powerful,but he was overturned in Georgia and then shot as well

 

[Darth Omar]

Slippery slope arguments are meaningless to me.

Argue it on its own merits. Don't rely on a hypothetical.

The SJW’s give no quarter to racists regardless of historical context.

If they are going to be consistent [don’t actually expect them to in this instance] Darwin needs to go. Darwin referred to blacks as ‘savages’ and held that they were less evolved than white Europeans.

The SJW’s should worry more about Darwin’s The Descent of Man more than Lee’s monument.

 

[BartenderElite]

The SJW’s give no quarter to racists regardless of historical context.

If they are going to be consistent [don’t actually expect them to in this instance] Darwin needs to go. Darwin referred to blacks as ‘savages’ and held that they were less evolved than white Europeans.

The SJW’s should worry more about Darwin’s The Descent of Man more than Lee’s monument.

So, you can't argue it on its merits.

Np.

 

[BartenderElite]

I feel like some will fight against anything, just because it's a so-called "liberal thing."

Protecting the environment, sadly, became that kind of issue.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Terrible comparison, DU. Museums by their nature ARE educational - we don't erect museums for the sole purpose of honoring people.

Really? Then you've never been to a Presidential museum. I hear Bill Clinton's gives out free condoms.

Martin Luther King has a day named after him. Not civil rights. Not freedom for all, just him.

 

[anatta]

Lots of people have been saying this over the last weeks, and I think it is correct. I also recall that the Chinese who lived through it overwhelming came to the conclusion that it was a bad idea.

it was immediately discredited when Mao died and the "Gang of 4" that replaced him (including Maos wife) were arrested
China opened up then under Teng Hsiao - ping and Nixon's "Ping Pong Diplomacy"

Could it be that the Chinese, they who know this is bad for society because they lived it, are encouraging America to go down this road through their extensive connections with the failed Universities where the Woke Religion is taught and headquartered?

Confucius Institutes
https://www.hrw.org/news/2020/01/27/us-universities-close-confucius-institutes-whats-next#

The Chinese are coming for us, helping us grind ourselves into the dirt through societal destruction is a lot cheaper and easier than all of the other ways to take America out.

Beijing Biden will save us from the red hoard

"China is not our competitor -C.MON ON MAN" (Biden)

 

[Hawkeye10]

it was immediately discedited when Mao dies and the "Gang of 4" that replaced him (including Maos wife) were arrested
China opened up then under Teng Hsiao - ping and Nixon's "Ping Pong Diplomacy"


Confucius Institutes
https://www.hrw.org/news/2020/01/27/us-universities-close-confucius-institutes-whats-next#

Beijing Biden will save us from the red hoard

"China is not our competitor -C.MON ON MAN" (Biden)

Most of Europe has decided the same.....as The New Chinese Empire pushes the West crumbles immediately, we are not apparently going to fight about it, we are simply going to let the Empire dominate all of the humans on this planet.

 

[Darth Omar]

So, you can't argue it on its merits.

Np.

Gave the merits on leaving General Lee alone already.

How much you wanna bet the [predominantly white lol] SJW’s wouldn’t object to erecting a monument to Darwin even in some place like Seattle or Portland?

Because they’re basically clueless.

 

[Cypress]

By your logic, the Holocaust museum in Washington, DC is a dedication to genocide. Dude, it's not the monument that matters but how it's viewed. Obviously the Holocaust museum is a memorial to those killed by genocide.

By tearing down statues, they're simply erasing history; Democrat historical revisionism at its best.

A museum is not a statue of a Confederate general. The holocaust museum is for education and reflection, as are all museums.

A statue in a public park is almost always a statement about what we should honor, emulate, or admire.

As for history, I think it is important to learn about Robert E Lee. That is why I have a video course from Professor Gary Gallagher of the Univ. of Virginia about General Lee and the Confederate high command on my watch list.

In contrast, I can guarantee that 99 percent of the conservatives on this board who claim to be defending the history of Robert E Lee have never actually even been interested in reading a book or taking a class about him.

So yes indeed, I think the history of Lee, the civil war, and the South more generally is extremely important for the informed person to learn and reflect on.

 

[anatta]

Most of Europe has decided the same.....as The New Chinese Empire pushes the West crumbles immediately, we are not apparently going to fight about it, we are simply going to let the Empire dominate all of the humans on this planet.

American empire is corrupt from within.
we have no free press -we have an overwhelming partisan press that pushes radical progressive like AOC

The Confuscius universities goal is to spy (like in reserach universities) and push Chinese style socialism like
" income inequality" being the most important metric -not how well off the population is as a whole is.

Chinese have been trolling us mercilessly on Twitter as well with "i can't breathe" graphics

 

[Cypress]

It’s not like most those monuments were erected in the immediate aftermath of the Civil War. They came later.

"Most of the people who were involved in erecting the monuments were not necessarily erecting a monument to the past," said Jane Dailey, an associate professor of history at the University of Chicago."But were rather, erecting them toward a white supremacist future."
The most recent comprehensive study of Confederate statues and monuments across the country was published by the Southern Poverty Law Center last year. A look at this chart shows huge spikes in construction twice during the 20th century: in the early 1900s, and then again in the 1950s and 60s. Both were times of extreme civil rights tension.

https://www.npr.org/2017/08/20/5442...e-built-to-further-a-white-supremacist-future

Yes indeed.

It was never about education and public awareness.

It was never even about southern pride, as Confederate statues were erected in Indiana and some backward areas in the north in reaction to the civil rights movement.

 

[Phantasmal]

True. Just like the MLK statue in Washington DC was erected 43 years after he died. Most Americans weren't even alive when he was killed.

The MLK statue was not erected to promote Black Supremacy. It’s the reason I always found repulsive for the Confederate monuments.

 

[Hawkeye10]

American empire is corrupt from within.
we have no free press -we have an overwhelming partisan press that pushes radical progressive like AOC

The Confuscius universities goal is to spy (like in reserach universities) and push Chinese style socialism like
" income inequality" being the most important metric -not how well off the population is as a whole is.

Chinese have been trolling us mercilessly on Twitter as well with "i can't breathe" graphics

It is a really serious question how many members here are actually Empire political operatives, either Chinese or Russian, working. Over at A2K there has been a long history of Chinese using the site to learn english in top form and to also gain a deep understanding of their enemy.....they were open about being Chinese and trying to learn about us and the language, only the Morons did not understand what they were up to.....

And we all helped them out.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Yep! To paraphrase the great John Lennon, "All You Need Is Intergalactic Love".........

They put out a lot.....of good movies.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

The MLK statue was not erected to promote Black Supremacy. It’s the reason I always found repulsive for the Confederate monuments.

Neither is a statue of Robert E. Lee.

 

[Phantasmal]

Neither is a statue of Robert E. Lee.

Lol, no it certainly wasn’t.