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I only support aspects of a nanny state when other factors somewhat demand it. Again, if the welfare state was limited to what you mentioned earlier, I wouldn't have a problem with your position.

In short, I'm not an idealist. I focus on policies that fit into whatever the current system is. Every policy has to be examined with the respect of how it interacts with other policies. The problem with idealism is that it doesn't take as comprehensive of a look at things.
Dude, that makes you a closet Liberal just like Darth; authoritarian nanny staters. You are actively dictating how a person should live, what they should think and what they should believe. That makes you identical the Democrats.

I'm not an idealist either, I'm a pragmatist.
 
Dude, that makes you a closet Liberal just like Darth; authoritarian nanny staters. You are actively dictating how a person should live, what they should think and what they should believe. That makes you identical the Democrats.

I'm not an idealist either, I'm a pragmatist.

If you're a pragmatist, then you should realize that complete drug legalization plus the current welfare state would be a massive disaster.
 
The big picture is that the journalists are useful idiots of woke capitalism. The corporations like social liberalism because it divides the working class by identity groups. As long as the working class is divided, they maintain their power.

Since most journalists are SJW types without as much emphasis on class consciousness, they serve well in the divisiveness of social liberalism.

So yes, it's about money, but it's also about division.

Jesus Christ, what are you smoking? I'd have to smoke some to catch up to that one. "Woke Capitalists"? SJW journalists working for the woke capitalists to divide the working class? WTF?
 
Jesus Christ, what are you smoking? I'd have to smoke some to catch up to that one. "Woke Capitalists"? SJW journalists working for the woke capitalists to divide the working class? WTF?

I guess you haven't noticed that social liberals basically won the culture war, and then corporations co-opted most social liberal causes.

Woke capitalism is very much a thing, as shown by the media and how even BLM is getting corporate money now.

You're apparently very behind on the current social paradigm of our society.
 
If you're a pragmatist, then you should realize that complete drug legalization plus the current welfare state would be a massive disaster.

....but those who are heavily invested in funeral homes and garbage trucks would clean up!
 
I guess you haven't noticed that social liberals basically won the culture war, and then corporations co-opted most social liberal causes.

Woke capitalism is very much a thing, as shown by the media and how even BLM is getting corporate money now.

You're apparently very behind on the current social paradigm of our society.

Again, I need some of that to catch up.
 
Healthcare is a service. It has to be paid for somehow. If government is saying someone has to provide a service with or without payment, then that means that paying customers have to cover the expense somehow. In the meantime, what if the only provider available in an area doesn't want to provide the service? If it is government enforced, that is coercion.

In short, the policy is state coercion if the provider of care would normally refuse service.

That is a real stretch.

The only things you are being "coerced" to do, are to pay your taxes and abide by the law.

What the government does with each and every tax dollar they collect is not a matter for individuals to have a say over, nor should they, as the government is under no obligation to check with each and every individual citizen to get permission for what they do with our taxes.

That is why we have elections and representative government.

There are things the government spends our taxes on that I don't necessarily like or approve of, but to say I am being "coerced" to pay for them would be hyperbolic.

As for your question about a medical provider not wanting to perform medical care on certain people, that provider would be in violation of their Hippocratic oath and subject to disciplinary action or possible loss of their licence.

Of course, if you were thinking about a reluctance to provide an abortion on moral grounds, only abortion specialists normally perform abortions, so that would be a moot point. And a general practitioner would not be required to perform an unnecessary, non-emergency surgical procedure anyway. So again, moot point.

If one doesn't like something that's being done with our tax dollars, one may begin a grassroots movement to challenge it. Keep working until their grassroots movement expands nationwide then elect those who will undo whatever it is that they dislike.

That, in theory, is the way it's supposed to work. Whether it does in practical terms or not is debatable. But really, what we have is the best and only way it can be.
 
And for some weird reason you think Jesus would approve of you saying all Muslims should be exterminated.

I don't say that. IHA says that. I have never said that Muslims, Germans, or Confederates should be/should have been exterminated. I have argued that they should be regarded as a threat to Western Civilization (as the Confederates were, the Germans have always been, and the Muslims were from 632 to ~1600, and would like to be again). Islam has waged a war of terrorism on every continent except Antarctica in recent times. Generally, though, I anticipate waiting for them to fire the first shots.
 
I don't say that. IHA says that. I have never said that Muslims, Germans, or Confederates should be/should have been exterminated. I have argued that they should be regarded as a threat to Western Civilization (as the Confederates were, the Germans have always been, and the Muslims were from 632 to ~1600, and would like to be again). Islam has waged a war of terrorism on every continent except Antarctica in recent times. Generally, though, I anticipate waiting for them to fire the first shots.

Your world must be very scary.
 
Your world must be very scary.

Well, one of my three fears no longer exists. Also, we have the Germans occupied, and I look like them. As for Muslims, I would definitely fear them if I lived in India, Israel, sketchy parts of Europe, most of Africa, the Philippines, and any country with a majority Muslim population. Living in this hemisphere makes them feel rather distant. Communists and organized crime are probably bigger threats to me.
 
Well, one of my three fears no longer exists. Also, we have the Germans occupied, and I look like them. As for Muslims, I would definitely fear them if I lived in India, Israel, sketchy parts of Europe, most of Africa, the Philippines, and any country with a majority Muslim population. Living in this hemisphere makes them feel rather distant. Communists and organized crime are probably bigger threats to me.

Muslims are not to be feared in some countries. And Muslims here in America are pretty nice and friendly. Sometimes they give me food. It's a nice neighborhood here.

And yes Communists and organized crime are scary. Organized crime is EVERYWHERE in the whole world.
 
That is a real stretch.

The only things you are being "coerced" to do, are to pay your taxes and abide by the law.

What the government does with each and every tax dollar they collect is not a matter for individuals to have a say over, nor should they, as the government is under no obligation to check with each and every individual citizen to get permission for what they do with our taxes.

That is why we have elections and representative government.

Sure, I can agree with that, and for the time being, the majority has not voiced support for providing healthcare to illegals. By your own admission, the system is working as intended.

There are things the government spends our taxes on that I don't necessarily like or approve of, but to say I am being "coerced" to pay for them would be hyperbolic.

I wasn't specifically talking about coercion regarding taxes, but that is another discussion. I was talking about forcing someone to perform a service without pay. It's actually close to slavery when you look at it more seriously.

As for your question about a medical provider not wanting to perform medical care on certain people, that provider would be in violation of their Hippocratic oath and subject to disciplinary action or possible loss of their licence.

The Hippocratic Oath does play a part in forcing a healthcare worker to provide certain services, but they are minimal in nature. For example, someone who goes to the ER without insurance will get enough care to keep them alive, but it won't necessarily be the full extent of care they would receive with insurance. It clearly does not require them to provide routine care, because you will be turned away from a clinic if you don't have insurance. The nurses and doctors at those places do not lose their licenses for that.

And to get back to the original thing I mentioned, the healthcare for illegals pledge was not limited to emergency care. They were talking about everything from emergency care to routine care.

Of course, if you were thinking about a reluctance to provide an abortion on moral grounds, only abortion specialists normally perform abortions, so that would be a moot point. And a general practitioner would not be required to perform an unnecessary, non-emergency surgical procedure anyway. So again, moot point.

If one doesn't like something that's being done with our tax dollars, one may begin a grassroots movement to challenge it. Keep working until their grassroots movement expands nationwide then elect those who will undo whatever it is that they dislike.

That, in theory, is the way it's supposed to work. Whether it does in practical terms or not is debatable. But really, what we have is the best and only way it can be.

Again, I have no disagreement with what you're saying here, but again, the majority has shown that they are not interested in providing care for illegals.
 
"Woke Capitalism". :laugh:

It's a real thing whether you choose to see it or not. Granted, I realize it's easy for those on the left to ignore it, because it matches their own values. If corporations were instead silencing liberals and heavily supporting socially conservative causes (along with the media), you would notice very quickly the link between political advocacy and corporate interests.
 
It's a real thing whether you choose to see it or not. Granted, I realize it's easy for those on the left to ignore it, because it matches their own values. If corporations were instead silencing liberals and heavily supporting socially conservative causes (along with the media), you would notice very quickly the link between political advocacy and corporate interests.

I'm not trying to ignore it. And they are not silencing conservative causes and voices. A lot of them are still up.
 
I'm not trying to ignore it. And they are not silencing conservative causes and voices. A lot of them are still up.

When people get fired over disagreeing with the BLM narrative, that is silencing. When conservatives get banned or shadowbanned on social media, that is also silencing.

There are plenty of other conservatives that get temporarily silenced for supposed violations of service terms that continually change or are only applied to conservatives.
 
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