What is privilege?

[LV426]

So your excuse is “but Mommmmmm, everyone else is doing it!”?

Ummm, you tried to gaslight me because I harped on the fact that Conservatives and bOtHsIdErIsTs make it standard operating procedure to lie about themselves on anonymous message boards to lend their arguments credibility they don't otherwise have.

Do you consider me to be a Conservative? If so, why? If not, why not?

Do you invent or exaggerate personal given circumstances to lend credibility to your arguments? No? Then you're not a Conservative.

 

[LV426]

Really? Have you ever talked to a Greek, Italian or any other Euro whose country spent itself to bankruptcy?

Do you understand what the Euro is, what the European Central Bank is, how it operates, and who runs it? No? Then shut up.

What do you think would happen if Drumpf declared “The US is debt free! We will not honor any debts made before today!”? After all, if you are correct, it doesn’t fucking matter.

There's a world of difference between being debt free and not having to pay the entire debt by a certain date. You seem to think federal debt is the same thing as personal debt, and I'd ask you why you think that, when individuals die and governments don't? Eventually, individual debt has to be paid because the borrower will die at some point. But the federal government won't. We've carried a deficit for most of the last 160 years. The only times we didn't were when we were able to increase revenues thanks to tax increases, like what happened in the 90's.

If debt is such a terrible, horrible, sometimes important thing, why has it not affected the economy in the last 12 years?

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Ummm, you tried to gaslight me because I harped on the fact that Conservatives and bOtHsIdErIsTs make it standard operating procedure to lie about themselves on anonymous message boards to lend their arguments credibility they don't otherwise have.
Do you invent or exaggerate personal given circumstances to lend credibility to your arguments? No? Then you're not a Conservative.

You are free to assert that your posted comment was completely sane and reasonable but I continue to disagree: “Every single Conservative and bOtHsIdErIsT on JPP lie and exaggerate their personal circumstances in order to lend credibility to their weak arguments.”

You tell me. You’re the one slinging the claims.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Do you understand what the Euro is, what the European Central Bank is, how it operates, and who runs it? No? Then shut up.


There's a world of difference between being debt free and not having to pay the entire debt by a certain date. You seem to think federal debt is the same thing as personal debt, and I'd ask you why you think that, when individuals die and governments don't? Eventually, individual debt has to be paid because the borrower will die at some point. But the federal government won't. We've carried a deficit for most of the last 160 years. The only times we didn't were when we were able to increase revenues thanks to tax increases, like what happened in the 90's.

If debt is such a terrible, horrible, sometimes important thing, why has it not affected the economy in the last 12 years?

Translation: Don’t bring up the failures of socialist policies in Europe, dammit! Fuck you!


In the great scheme of things, it is the same. You’re trying to say debt to the rich isn’t the same for the poor. I disagree. Debt is debt. However, I do agree that each has different means and strategies to avoid debt and/or pay off debt.

 

[LV426]

You are free to assert that your posted comment was completely sane and reasonable but I continue to disagree: “Every single Conservative and bOtHsIdErIsT on JPP lie and exaggerate their personal circumstances in order to lend credibility to their weak arguments.”

You tell me. You’re the one slinging the claims.

Ummm...well...you want an example? Here: https://www.justplainpolitics.com/s...ited-mail-in-ballot-winds-up-in-neighbors-box

So right there is an example of a Conservative (in this case, anatta/dukkha) lying about getting an unsolicited ballot in the mail because that's the tactic he's using to push his strategy of de-legitimizing what will likely be a mostly-mail election.

Another example? Flash. The guy who claimed, at one point, to be a professor (turns out he was just an Associate Professor, if even), then claimed to be a "bureaucrat" because he was employed as a (kind of) professor at a public college, therefore his argument about people abusing Pell Grants has credibility, which lends his argument that we should cut spending on public education credibility it doesn't otherwise have.

I mean, I can keep going, but you sort of get the point...

 

[LV426]

Translation: Don’t bring up the failures of socialist policies in Europe, dammit! Fuck you!

It's not socialist policies that failed Europe, it's capitalist banking policies that did.

But like I said, you don't know what the Euro is, what the ECB does, and how any of it relates to sovereign debt.

When posed with those questions, you toss off some bullshit so you don't have to answer for them.

I'm perfectly willing to have a good faith debate about the perils of the ECB and the Euro, and how it negatively affects countries with lower revenue expectations than others.

What happened in Europe isn't a failure of socialism, it's a failure of banking.

We can't have a good faith debate about this because you're not willing to act in good faith, as your post clearly shows. Which is weird, because we can write a lot of stuff here, and you can research a lot of stuff too. The fact that you don't just goes to prove what kind of person you are. You might be comfortable with that level of voluntary ignorance, but I wouldn't be.

But maybe I just have higher standards and greater expectations of myself than you have for yourself? I dunno, I'm not a shrink. It's just my gut feeling.

 

[LV426]

In the great scheme of things, it is the same. You’re trying to say debt to the rich isn’t the same for the poor. I disagree. Debt is debt. However, I do agree that each has different means and strategies to avoid debt and/or pay off debt.

Debt to the rich is most definitely not the same as debt to the poor. The rich become rich by trading off that debt that they've incurred. It's how 99% of all hedge funds work.

 

[LV426]

Translation: Don’t bring up the failures of socialist policies in Europe, dammit! Fuck you!

So why is it that "socialist policies" failed Greece but not Germany?

Why is it that "socialist policies" failed Spain and not Denmark?

Why is it that "socialist policies" failed Italy but not Switzerland?

Why is it that "socialist policies" failed Venezuela but not South Korea?

Because "socialist policies" aren't what failed, obviously.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Ummm...well...you want an example? Here: https://www.justplainpolitics.com/s...ited-mail-in-ballot-winds-up-in-neighbors-box

So right there is an example of a Conservative (in this case, anatta/dukkha) lying about getting an unsolicited ballot in the mail because that's the tactic he's using to push his strategy of de-legitimizing what will likely be a mostly-mail election.

Another example? Flash. The guy who claimed, at one point, to be a professor (turns out he was just an Associate Professor, if even), then claimed to be a "bureaucrat" because he was employed as a (kind of) professor at a public college, therefore his argument about people abusing Pell Grants has credibility, which lends his argument that we should cut spending on public education credibility it doesn't otherwise have.

I mean, I can keep going, but you sort of get the point...

Yes, those two are assholes. One’s probably Russian and the other is a Sheeple, a Lemming. How does this prove your assertion that all Conservatives are like them?

 

[Dutch Uncle]

So why is it that "socialist policies" failed Greece but not Germany? Why is it that "socialist policies" failed Spain and not Denmark? Why is it that "socialist policies" failed Italy but not Switzerland?

Because "socialist policies" aren't what failed.

Germany was bailing them out. That’s why Germany was called fascist. The Socialist way is to say “Shut the fuck up and just give me the money. Don’t tell me how to spend it”. Germany told them how to spend it. LOL. I looooove Germany.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

So why is it that "socialist policies" failed Greece but not Germany?

Why is it that "socialist policies" failed Spain and not Denmark?

Why is it that "socialist policies" failed Italy but not Switzerland?

Why is it that "socialist policies" failed Venezuela but not South Korea?

Because "socialist policies" aren't what failed, obviously.

QED about overly emotional posts. Jesus, dude, get a fucking grip. Take a breath.

 

[LV426]

Yes, those two are assholes. One’s probably Russian and the other is a Sheeple, a Lemming. How does this prove your assertion that all Conservatives are like them?

Have you ever met a Conservative that doesn't exaggerate or embellish claims about themselves? Because they all do it here.

Top pretends to be a retired teacher

Earl pretends to live in a 6K square foot house

Omar (I think it's Omar, it might be a different human stain) claims to live in a mansion in the Blue Ridge Mountains

Sailor claims to be a veteran

I mean, shit, I can't think of a single honest Conservative on all of JPP, can you? In my time here, I haven't met a single Conservative that has been honest about who they are and are willing to prove it.

 

[LV426]

Germany was bailing them out. That’s why Germany was called fascist. The Socialist way is to say “Shut the fuck up and just give me the money. Don’t tell me how to spend it”. Germany told them how to spend it. LOL. I looooove Germany.

But Germany is socialist too. So there goes your theory.

 

[LV426]

QED about overly emotional posts. Jesus, dude, get a fucking grip. Take a breath.

Calm down, dude. No need to get all screechy just because you talked yourself into a rhetorical corner.

It's funny, you toss out claims like "socialism failed", but then when pressed, you immediately retreat to posts like these...which makes me think you're full of shit. So you cannot defend your "socialism failed" nonsense and you try to gaslight anyone who challenges you on it.

If you're not up for this debate, at least be honest about it. But to posture as you're doing now...that's just disappointing.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Have you ever met a Conservative that doesn't exaggerate or embellish claims about themselves? Because they all do it here.

Top pretends to be a retired teacher

Earl pretends to live in a 6K square foot house

Omar (I think it's Omar, it might be a different human stain) claims to live in a mansion in the Blue Ridge Mountains

Sailor claims to be a veteran

I mean, shit, I can't think of a single honest Conservative on all of JPP, can you? In my time here, I haven't met a single Conservative that has been honest about who they are and are willing to prove it.

Yes, but thanks for backpedaling by qualifying your statement with "here".

I tend to believe people unless there's a reason not to believe them. Most are honest, but sock puppet addicts do seem to live in a fantasy world. That said, why do you believe it's impossible for a person to claim to have had a 147 IQ over 20 years ago but appears to have an average or less IQ now and/or is mentally ill?

Do you think it's possible for a person to be smart, ambitious and successful in their 20s and 30s but suffer a brain injury or malady in their 40s?

Do you understand age is a factor which is why I'm always curious about the age of the person with whom I'm chatting; to compare if their behavior matches their age. Do you understand most active members here are over 50, of most of them are over 60? How do you think age plays into your theories?

 

[Ralph]

Privilege is paying 49% of the taxes, but getting 63% of the spending...

Propping up the boonies, Atlanta’s thankless burden
Back in 2009, researchers from Georgia State University found that the 10-county metro Atlanta region had 43 percent of the state's population and generated 53 percent of the state's taxable income. That area contributed 51 percent of state revenue but got back just 37 percent of state expenditures. In essence, each metro Atlantan cut a check for $500 each year for every resident elsewhere.
https://www.ajc.com/news/local/torp...anta-thankless-burden/r1SZjXxBgQ6Oi4QC5AsOHM/

Privilege is having other people work while you eat without working or earning. You want to see WHITE PRIVILEGE? Just look at the number of WHITE LIBERAL ASSHOLES that are supporting the Maxrist riots. None are working as they show up every day to riot and loot. And they expect THE PEOPLE to take the side of individuals that have never worked a day in the lives, that live off the TAXPAYER and their PARENTS bank accounts? Again.....the 2nd greatest danger facing this republic, just behind the fake media and its propaganda......WHITE LIBERALS. It appears the majority of the blacks in this nation are so gullible they do not comprehend they are being used and will be tossed aside and taken for granted as they have since the 1960s by these white liberal assholes when their usefulness is over........

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Calm down, dude. No need to get all screechy just because you talked yourself into a rhetorical corner.

It's funny, you toss out claims like "socialism failed", but then when pressed, you immediately retreat to posts like these...which makes me think you're full of shit. So you cannot defend your "socialism failed" nonsense and you try to gaslight anyone who challenges you on it.

If you're not up for this debate, at least be honest about it. But to posture as you're doing now...that's just disappointing.

LOL.

Socialism doesn't work and I know you disagree. Are you claiming the faltering economies of Greece, Italy and Ireland a few years ago were Socialist successes? If not, what do you think they were?

Dude, I'm willing to debate. Are you claiming this was a debate comment?:

"I have never, never, never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever been in a single debate on JPP with either a Conservative or bOtHsIdErIsT where they didn't devolve the debate into a collection of vague, ambiguous, and laughably unverifiable anecdotes."

 

[Bill]

Privilege is being allowed to commit crimes and never get arrested.

& wallstreet, trump etc etc etc..........

 

[LV426]

Yes, but thanks for backpedaling by qualifying your statement with "here".

Here's the thing...I've been around this block before. Many times. In my previous line of work, part of my responsibilities were to verify sources and secure confirmations for pieces that would run in the media. Now, I happened to be doing this work from 2007-2014 and what I found was that whenever I needed to reach out to a Conservative for verification and confirmation, I almost always ran into an instance of embellishment followed by intransigence.

This was omnipresent in three distinct cases; Sam Wurzelbacher, Ashley Todd, and Julie Boonstra, though every single GOP politician I ever had to reach out to also was evasive with verifications and confirmations. What I learned was that was intentional. The intent of people embellishing and exaggerating is to muddy the credibility waters so much that they end up flipping simple verification back onto me. This happened to an explicit degree with Julie Boonstra.

You might remember Boonstra's name...she was the woman that the Koch Brothers put in an ACA attack ad where she claimed that the ACA caused her health insurance premiums to "skyrocket". Obviously, this was major news at the time because it was ahead of the 2014 midterm election and Republicans were making hay about it. Well, when I called old Miss Julie up to verify what she said in her Koch video, her first response was to hang up. Then, I called back and she started laying into me about how the media twists and contorts things out of context. I asked her what context would she like to have around her claim that the ACA caused her premiums to spike? She couldn't say, but went back to her "I hate the media" thing as I was merely seeking validation of her quotes in a media video she made. Sensing I wasn't going to get anywhere, I decided to verify whether or not her premiums could have spiked because of the ACA. So I called her insurance company, and they told me that no one's premiums increased because of the ACA and, in fact, most premiums went down.

So, after getting that bit of insight, I reached back out to Boonstra who insisted she wasn't lying, then said that she "perhaps may have read the insurance policy wrong" (seriously, she said that on the phone...which is almost exactly word-for-word what anatta/dukkha said about the (not a) (un)solicited mail-in ballot). But you and I both know that's bullshit, and so did she. So she refused to verify her own quote, and we went to print without her.

So you see, I can totally accept if someone is what they claim to be...I just need verification because I'm a skeptic thanks to the years I had to spend working with bad faith actors like Boonstra, Todd, and Joe (not his real name) the Plumber (not his real job, or any job he's ever had).

 

[LV426]

I tend to believe people unless there's a reason not to believe them. Most are honest, but sock puppet addicts do seem to live in a fantasy world. That said, why do you believe it's impossible for a person to claim to have had a 147 IQ over 20 years ago but appears to have an average or less IQ now and/or is mentally ill?

It's not impossible to make that claim...whether or not that claim is true...well...isn't that the heart of the issue?

Do you think it's possible for a person to be smart, ambitious and successful in their 20s and 30s but suffer a brain injury or malady in their 40s?

I don't think there's a brain injury that causes you to consciously choose to lie and embellish on the internet for effect.

Do you understand age is a factor which is why I'm always curious about the age of the person with whom I'm chatting; to compare if their behavior matches their age. Do you understand most active members here are over 50, of most of them are over 60? How do you think age plays into your theories?

I don't really care how old someone is...what I care about is whether or not they used their time on this earth to gain perspective. Unfortunately, most older people don't evolve their perspectives.

But I think that is wholly different than someone exaggerating their own personal station to impress or silence or gaslight people on anonymous message boards. No one does that by accident. It's entirely intentional.