Northern Europe Deforestation Up 49% Due To Effort To Meet CO2 Targets

[anatta]

nevermind the OP. ( and the de-forestation is happening) T.A Gardner makes a devastating case against wood..
Just think about it. why would anyone use wood pellets when NAT GAS is available??

 

[Hawkeye10]

nevermind the OP. ( and the de-forestation is happening) T.A Gardner makes a devastating case against wood..
Just think about it. why would anyone use wood pellets when NAT GAS is available??

Remote locations making gas lines too expensive?

 

[Bigdog]

Remote locations making gas lines too expensive?

It's about converting power plants ...


The UK's move away from coal means they're burning wood ...www.pri.org › stories › uk-s-move-away-coal-means-th...
Jun 20, 2018 - It's the largest power plant in the UK, and for years it served as a visible ... “We've converted three of our six generators to run on wood pellets,” ...

Converting coal plants to biomass could fuel climate crisis ...www.theguardian.com › environment › dec › convertin...
Dec 16, 2019 - Plans to shift Europe's coal plants to burning wood pellets instead could accelerate rather than combat the climate crisis and lay waste to ..."


The giant coal plant converting to green energy - BBC Futurewww.bbc.com › future › article › 20180821-the-giant-...
Aug 21, 2018 - The UK plans to end coal-fired electricity by 2025. ... their plant will consume only natural gas and biomass – wood pellets crushed into powder."




It's horrible. Now even bent and crooked trees, and branches are stripped from the forests when lumber is harvested. Prior to the Al Gorian hysteria, at least this was left behind for the forest critters. Now, the Greenies totally denude the forests.

 

[anatta]

Remote locations making gas lines too expensive?

Nordstream 2 is a direct pipeline to Germany from Russia, that bypasses Ukraine and it's nat. gas. transit fees

It was built to bring cheap gas to Germany (and hub out from there).
Of course the goofballs in DC (including Trump) think trading with Russia must generate sanctions.

 

[Bigdog]

Nordstream 2 is a direct pipeline to Germany from Russia, that bypasses Ukraine and it's nat. gas. transit fees

It was built to bring cheap gas to Germany (and hub out from there).
Of course the goofballs in DC (including Trump) think trading with Russia must generate sanctions.

I disagree, my friend.

Germany being energy dependent on Russia, and filling Russian coffers, is stupid. We might as well pull NATO out of Germany since Russia will have them by the short haris.

 

[cancel2 2022]

Blogs and quack sources are all he does, just ignore it. When you know it's bs just from the title you walk away.

Hey fatso, even Wikipedia thinks your go-to bullshit detecting website is...err...bullshit!!

The Columbia Journalism Review describes Media Bias/Fact Check as an amateur attempt at categorizing media bias and Van Zandt as an "armchair media analyst."[3] The Poynter Institute notes, "Media Bias/Fact Check is a widely cited source for news stories and even studies about misinformation, despite the fact that its method is in no way scientific."[5] Alexandra Kitty, in a 2018 book on journalism, described MBFC as an apparent "amateur/civic outfit" and wrote that its founder's only qualification was a degree in communications.[4]

 

[Hawkeye10]

I only glanced at this but people interested in this subject might like the link a lot....it is fresh.

https://news.mongabay.com/2020/08/a...lobal-alarm-sounds-as-biomass-burning-surges/

 

[anatta]

I disagree, my friend.

Germany being energy dependent on Russia, and filling Russian coffers, is stupid. We might as well pull NATO out of Germany since Russia will have them by the short haris.

Germany and Russia are natural trading partners on nat. gas - your post is hyperbolic -
conflating NATO membership to Russia having "Germany by the short hairs"

why would Russia ever suspend nat gas?
it desperately need the cash -and if it did we then could use LNG tankers to supply Germany

I won't even get into the best way to tame 'Russian expansion'/peel away from China's economy
is to trade with Russia

-Seriously Russiaphobia BD -stop the reactive mindset

 

[moon]

Yes. And an America hater.

American stupid doesn't appeal to me at all, it's true. You don't even seem aware that it exists.

 

[Bigdog]

Germany and Russia are natural trading partners on nat. gas - your post is hyperbolic -
conflating NATO membership to Russia having "Germany by the short hairs"

why would Russia ever suspend nat gas?
it desperately need the cash -and if it did we then could use LNG tankers to supply Germany

I won't even get into the best way to tame 'Russian expansion'/peel away from China's economy
is to trade with Russia

-Seriously Russiaphobia BD -stop the reactive mindset

I am not a Russia phobe.

It makes no sense for us to pay to protect Germany from Russia.

Developing supply chains such as LNG shipping, takes a long time and huge investment. It doesn't happen instantly.

They might suspend it over Ukraine. As you've said, NATO Ukraine meddling is a problem.

China and Russian will never trust each other as military partners.

 

[Bigdog]

American stupid doesn't appeal to me at all, it's true. You don't even seem aware that it exists.

ME muslims get most of their wealth from oil. Put up or shut up.

 

[dukkha]

I am not a Russia phobe.

OK

It makes no sense for us to pay to protect Germany from Russia.

it's part of NATO.
Trump is getting NATO members to pay more; but we have to pay as well.

I have no problem with NATO - it's a good alliance -my problem is NATO expansion
and I bet my bottom $ we'll (NATO) soon bring in Ukraine - expanding Cold War 2.0 w/Russia

Developing supply chains such as LNG shipping, takes a long time and huge investment. It doesn't happen instantly.

no but Russia would never cut off nat gas. if it did, it would be the result of WWIII or a hot war in Europe.
Nat Gas would be the least of NATO's problems.
I do think we could probably get some relief to Germany -but I agree this whole point is madness

They might suspend it over Ukraine. As you've said, NATO Ukraine meddling is a problem.

No, Russia and Germany have a symbiotic relationship when it comes to nat gas.

It's far more likely we'll be drawn in by a Black Sea/Sea of Azov conflict.
Other then that Russia is not going to do anything except try to continue to federate Ukraine

China and Russian will never trust each other as military partners.

they already do. they have fielded a unified command structure as well ( Vostok 2018)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vostok_2018
The exercise involved units from the Army, Air Force and Navy. China and Mongolia, which also participated, became the first countries outside of the former Soviet Union to join the Vostok exercises.

 

[cancel2 2022]

Nordstream 2 is a direct pipeline to Germany from Russia, that bypasses Ukraine and it's nat. gas. transit fees

It was built to bring cheap gas to Germany (and hub out from there).
Of course the goofballs in DC (including Trump) think trading with Russia must generate sanctions.

Germany relies on Russia for more than 70% of its gas, that's just not a healthy state of affairs.

 

[Bigdog]

OK

it's part of NATO.
Trump is getting NATO members to pay more; but we have to pay as well.

I have no problem with NATO - it's a good alliance -my problem is NATO expansion
and I bet my bottom $ we'll (NATO) soon bring in Ukraine - expanding Cold War 2.0 w/Russia

no but Russia would never cut off nat gas. if it did, it would be the result of WWIII or a hot war in Europe.
Nat Gas would be the least of NATO's problems.
I do think we could probably get some relief to Germany -but I agree this whole point is madness


No, Russia and Germany have a symbiotic relationship when it comes to nat gas.

It's far more likely we'll be drawn in by a Black Sea/Sea of Azov conflict.
Other then that Russia is not going to do anything except try to continue to federate Ukraine


they already do. they have fielded a unified command structure as well ( Vostok 2018)

I disagree, my friend.

NATO expansion could cause Russia to cut off or threaten to cut off, or quadruple the price of, Nat Gas, IMO. And That's a trade war, not a hot war.

Despite peacetime joint exercises, they will never trust each other militarily in an actual conflict, IMO.

Black Sea/Sea of Azov: If it hasn't become a hot war trigger, now, ... that indicates it likely never will be a hot war trigger. IMO.

 

[cancel2 2022]

Hey fatso, even Wikipedia thinks your go-to bullshit detecting website is...err...bullshit!!

You and Arsecheese have been called on your bullshit, now fuck off!

 

[dukkha]

NATO expansion could cause Russia to cut off or threaten to cut off, or quadruple the price of, Nat Gas, IMO. And That's a trade war, not a hot war.

If Russia hasn't cut off gas by now? We are in a proxy war with them in Donbass. ffs.
Besides Putin is desperate for any cash

Despite peacetime joint exercises, they will never trust each other militarily in an actual conflict, IMO.

well ...they've TRAINED together -why wouldn't war force them together against the US/west?

Black Sea/Sea of Azov: If it hasn't become a hot war trigger, now, ... that indicates it likely never will be a hot war trigger. IMO.

we weren't part of the Kerch Strait incident

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kerch_Strait_incident
It later constructed the Crimean Bridge across the strait. Under a 2003 treaty, the strait and the Azov Sea are intended to be the shared territorial waters of both countries, and freely accessible.
Russia, in turn, insists that, while the 2003 treaty remains legally valid, Ukrainian ships must ask for permission before entering Russian waters along the perimeter of Crimea as any transnational water crossing, as regulated by the Law of the Sea Treaty.
The annexation of Crimea by Russia is not recognized by Ukraine, therefore Ukraine holds that the invocation of an international treaty with regards to Crimean waters is illegitimate.

-but with our increasing patrols, it very well could happen with a simple aid call from the Uk. navy

 

[Bigdog]

If Russia hasn't cut off gas by now? We are in a proxy war with them in Donbass. ffs.
Besides Putin is desperate for any cash


well ...they've TRAINED together -why wouldn't war force them together against the US/west?

we weren't part of the Kerch Strait incident

-but with our increasing patrols, it very well could happen with a simple aid call from the Uk. navy

I disagree.

Russia could quadruple the price of Nat Gas, instead of cutting it off. And, I know you remember when gas prices quadrupled in the 70's, practically overnite.

Providing tankbusters to prevent a tank invasion is not a proxy war. The dam things are sitting safely in storage, anyway.

Training together doesn't mean shit. You are giving it too much weight. And China fucked Russia big time with the virus.

Originally, I was concerned about the Kersch Straits. But It has amounted to nothing.

 

[dukkha]

Russia could quadruple the price of Nat Gas. I know you remember when gas prices quadrupled in the 70's, practically overnite.

Germany has alternatives thru Uk and we could marshall some over.
- but you are talking a war scenario.
And Putin would never do this -it would destroy his international relations and his economy both

Providing tankbusters to prevent a tank invasion is not a proxy war. The dam things are sitting safely in storage.

https://www.defensenews.com/congres...us-aid-package-to-ukraine-that-trump-delayed/
The Defense Department’s tranche was set to include sniper rifles, rocket-propelled grenade launchers, counter-artillery radars, electronic warfare detection and secure communications, night vision equipment, and military medical supplies and treatment. The department previously included counter-sniper equipment, Humvees and tactical drones as well.

The State Department funding included $115 million for a broad array of purposes, to buy American-produced weapons through the Foreign Military Financing program,
but also to provide advisers and training to boost Ukraine’s NATO interoperability:

Training together doesn't mean shit. You are giving it too much weight.
China fucked Russia big time with the virus.

wars force alliances

Originally, I was concerned about the Kersch Straits. But It has amounted to nothing.

it's a hair trigger with Russia and Ukraine - of course it hasn't involved us.
But it easily could

 

[Bigdog]

Germany has alternatives thru Uk and we could marshall some over.
- but you are talking a war scenario.
And Putin would never do this -it would destroy his international relations and his economy both

We provided some lethal, but mostly non-lethal aid to ukiaine. That is not a proxy war by any definition. Nor is training for NATO coordination.

https://www.defensenews.com/congres...us-aid-package-to-ukraine-that-trump-delayed/
The Defense Department’s tranche was set to include sniper rifles, rocket-propelled grenade launchers, counter-artillery radars, electronic warfare detection and secure communications, night vision equipment, and military medical supplies and treatment. The department previously included counter-sniper equipment, Humvees and tactical drones as well.

The State Department funding included $115 million for a broad array of purposes, to buy American-produced weapons through the Foreign Military Financing program,
but also to provide advisers and training to boost Ukraine’s NATO interoperability:
wars force alliances


it's a hair trigger with Russia and Ukraine - of course it hasn't involved us.
But it easily could

Germany does not have instant alternatives. LNG ships are already commuted to other customers. There is no excess capacity sitting idly by for an emergency, ... to suddenly meet a whole countries energy needs.

Yeah, Stalin had an alliance with Hitler. How'd that work out.

Chruchill had an alliance with FDR. And FDR used it to destroy the British empire and create a Soviet empire. JFK promised the Bay of Pigs revolutionaries Air Support, ... and then bailed and left them swinging in the wind.

China and Russia will never trust each other militarily. And even combined, they are no match for the U.S.. Your worries about their alliance are totally overblown. One might even call YOU ... a Russiaphobe, my friend.

 

[dukkha]

Germany does not have instant alternatives. LNG ships are already commuted to other customers. There is no excess capacity sitting idly by for an emergency, ... to suddenly meet a whole countries energy needs.

Yeah, Stalin had an alliance with Hitler. How'd that work out.

Chruchill had an alliance with FDR. And FDR used it to destroy the British empire and create a Soviet empire. JFK promised the Bay of Pigs revolutionaries Air Support, ... and then bailed and left them swinging in the wind.

China and Russia will never trust each other militarily. And even combined, they are no match for the U.S.. Your worries about their alliance are totally overblown. One might even call YOU ... a Russiaphobe, my friend.

so I guess you have no idea of the increasing Chinese military at a rapid pace combined with Russian engineered weapons can do in war.
The exponential hardening of relations leaves the USA being triangulated against by Russia/China.
Meaning: stay the hell out of their trading relations (Germany and Russia) because Russian trade with Europe
helps weaken the triangulation

Spare me the history lesson -it just shows what I said -wars force alliances ( even bad ones)
China and Russia would be fools not to ally in any war against the US/west
~~

I agree on the LNG in terms of war time, but like I also said if it gets to that it's all over anyways.