If democrats abolish the Electoral College republicans would never win the WH

Flash said:
Do you think a government continually dominated by one party would be an improvement? The problems with the electoral college are less a problem than one-party government; although a divided government wouldn't be bad.
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Hell yes, I absolutely do, and if the American people don’t want it, they can vote them out without the EC, and without all this bullshit that we and all the world are watching transpire right now, today.

Without question the Constitution needs some work. The Founders probably never envisioned something as vile and unpatriotic as Trump and his brainless horde.
 
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Flash said:
Do you think a government continually dominated by one party would be an improvement? The problems with the electoral college are less a problem than one-party government; although a divided government wouldn't be bad.
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We've had a divided government since January 2019 and look what that got us.

If you're arguing that we have to keep the GOP around for the sake of a two-party system, then that's a pretty weak fucking case. If the GOP slides into irrelevance, it's not because of Democrats, it's because the GOP refuses to evolve. The GOP platform is virtually the same as it was back in 1980. So why should voters reward that with votes, and why should they get outsized representation if they refuse to evolve or progress their views?

"We need the GOP for the sake of a two party system" immediately after the GOP embraced fascism and questioned the integrity of the election, is a fucking joke, right? You're joking, aren't you?
 
If this were to happen, I have zero doubts that the Democrats would screw things up with their Leftist agenda within 20 years and people would get so fed up with the whole political system they'd overthrow it and start again.
 
blackascoal said:
It would require a constitutional amendment to get rid of the electoral college, but if democrats can pull it off or inact some measure or proposal to lesson it’s useless impediment to real democracy, republicans would never win the White House.

Ignore republican whining because they believe that winning by getting the most votes is cheating.

Without the EC this election would have been indisputably over long ago. Donald Trump himself is the poster child for abolishing the EC. Lots of proposals on how to get it done.
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I doubt if the Democrats will make any efforts in Congress to change the way states handle their elections.

But a majority of states are looking into dividing their states into Representative districts like Nebraska and Maine did- instead of the old WINNER-TAKE-ALL.

This is like an old national wound that is starting to heal itself!
 
LV426 said:
We've had a divided government since January 2019 and look what that got us.

If you're arguing that we have to keep the GOP around for the sake of a two-party system, then that's a pretty weak fucking case. If the GOP slides into irrelevance, it's not because of Democrats, it's because the GOP refuses to evolve. The GOP platform is virtually the same as it was back in 1980. So why should voters reward that with votes, and why should they get outsized representation if they refuse to evolve or progress their views?

"We need the GOP for the sake of a two party system" immediately after the GOP embraced fascism and questioned the integrity of the election, is a fucking joke, right? You're joking, aren't you?
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The point was that abolishing the electoral college so one party can dominate the presidency is a poor reason to do so.
 
Flash said:
The point was that abolishing the electoral college so one party can dominate the presidency is a poor reason to do so.
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Why would one party dominate the Presidency, though? You have to ask yourself that question.

If the GOP isn't competitive at a national level, that's not the fault of the Democrats, and we shouldn't make accommodations for a political party completely disinterested in governing or legislating in good faith.

Nowhere in the Constitution does it say there have to be two political parties.
 
Flash said:
The point was that abolishing the electoral college so one party can dominate the presidency is a poor reason to do so.
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Funny how things work. The 2020 election sort of proved that the electoral college is a double edged sword. Sometimes it can help you win- AND SOMETIMES IT CAN HAVE A REVERSE EFFECT AND CAUSE YOU TO LOSE!

ADD IT ALL UP AND SEE OF TRUMP WOULD HAVE HAD A BETTER CHANCE HAD HE BEEN ABLE TO KEEP THE VOTES HE WON IN EVERY STATE?

I haven't done the math, BUT MANY WILL!

I have always said- THE FIRST TIME THE REPUBLICANS LOSE A PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION DUE TO THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE FACTOR- THEY WILL BE CALLING FOR IT'S END.
 
LV426 said:
Why would one party dominate the Presidency, though? You have to ask yourself that question.

If the GOP isn't competitive at a national level, that's not the fault of the Democrats, and we shouldn't make accommodations for a political party completely disinterested in governing or legislating in good faith.

Nowhere in the Constitution does it say there have to be two political parties.
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I didn't say one party would dominate the presidency. I was responding to the original OP by blackascoal who said

"It would require a constitutional amendment to get rid of the electoral college, but if democrats can pull it off or inact some measure or proposal to lesson it’s useless impediment to real democracy, republicans would never win the White House.


Why would we assume a one-party presidency would be preferable to an electoral college in which the candidate winning the popular vote almost always wins the electoral college?

Our history has seen a pattern of party periods of 32-36 years in which one party tended to dominate the president and Congress. I'm not sure we want to destroy a fairly competitive system for one party's partisan advantage.

The system should not be changed to allow one party to dominate.
 
Geeko Sportivo said:
I have always said- THE FIRST TIME THE REPUBLICANS LOSE A PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION DUE TO THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE FACTOR- THEY WILL BE CALLING FOR IT'S END.
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I used to say it won't be until one candidate wins the electoral college while another wins the popular vote that there will be any real interest in change.

I was obviously wrong since it has happened twice in recent years and there has been no real push to change the system. It doesn't matter if public opinion supports a change since they don't really care that much. Opinion has to be accompanied intensity and willingness to work for its change. Complaining in social media does little.
 
Flash said:
Why would we assume a one-party presidency would be preferable to an electoral college in which the candidate winning the popular vote almost always wins the electoral college?
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Because in 1/3 of the elections this century, the winner of the popular vote did not win the Presidency.


Our history has seen a pattern of party periods of 32-36 years in which one party tended to dominate the president and Congress. I'm not sure we want to destroy a fairly competitive system for one party's partisan advantage.
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It's not a competitive system if one party has to rely on rigging the rules for its electoral benefit because it can't legitimately win an election, and is openly contemptuous of the democratic process.


The system should not be changed to allow one party to dominate.
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But WHY would one party dominate? Because their policies appeal to the vast majority of voters. You're arguing against that. If you want to win elections, you need to get more votes. If you can't get more votes, why should the system give you a handicap? Because you think you're entitled to it? You're not.
 
evince said:
Every study done has proven the republicans lie about voters cheating


The USA courts have proven republicans have cheated in elections for decades


Why do your assholes keep losing the popular vote yet get to be president


It’s called cheating
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The President is not elected by popular vote.
 
evince said:
Republicans hate the voters


They lie about the American voters


They always claim the American voters cheat republicans


They work to keep legal voters from voting (USA court documented)


They hate the voters if they live in states with lots of other voters


They that makes those American voters only a fraction of a person(3/5ths?)


They have hated democracy for decades
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I hate democracy too. It is an unstable form of government. There are currently no democracies anywhere in the world.
The United States is not a democracy. It never was a democracy. It is a federated republic.

No one is claiming voters cheat anyone.
 
Flash said:
I used to say it won't be until one candidate wins the electoral college while another wins the popular vote that there will be any real interest in change.

I was obviously wrong since it has happened twice in recent years and there has been no real push to change the system. It doesn't matter if public opinion supports a change since they don't really care that much. Opinion has to be accompanied intensity and willingness to work for its change. Complaining in social media does little.
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I used to blame James Madison for the electoral college, but, I believe that he actually had good intentions.

I think he would also be in favor of dropping it today.

James Madison would be the first one to tell you that the forefathers didn't think of everything when they wrote the CONSTITUTION. THAT IS WHY THEY DRAFTED IT SO THAT IT COULD BE AMENDED IN THE FUTURE.
 
Flash said:
Do you think a government continually dominated by one party would be an improvement? The problems with the electoral college are less a problem than one-party government; although a divided government wouldn't be bad.
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There are no problems with the electoral college.
 
blackascoal said:
Hell yes, I absolutely do, and if the American people don’t want it, they can vote them out without the EC, and without all this bullshit that we and all the world are watching transpire right now, today.

Without question the Constitution needs some work. The Founders probably never envisioned something as vile and unpatriotic as Trump and his brainless horde.
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Here you openly deny the Constitution of the United States. You don't want a constitution. You want fascism by oligarchy.
 
LV426 said:
Why would one party dominate the Presidency, though? You have to ask yourself that question.

If the GOP isn't competitive at a national level, that's not the fault of the Democrats, and we shouldn't make accommodations for a political party completely disinterested in governing or legislating in good faith.

Nowhere in the Constitution does it say there have to be two political parties.
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Nowhere in the Constitution does it say the EC always votes Republican either...and they don't.
 
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