If democrats abolish the Electoral College republicans would never win the WH

[PostmodernProphet]

I doubt if the Democrats will make any efforts in Congress to change the way states handle their elections.

But a majority of states are looking into dividing their states into Representative districts like Nebraska and Maine did- instead of the old WINNER-TAKE-ALL.

This is like an old national wound that is starting to heal itself!

I think its a great idea......I suggest New York, California, Illinois, Michigan, Virginia Massachusetts and New Jersey lead the way.....

 

[PostmodernProphet]

Because in 1/3 of the elections this century, the winner of the popular vote did not win the Presidency. .

as intended.....

 

[PostmodernProphet]

Dems have won the popular vote in 7 out of the last 8 presidential elections so you're probably right.

But that's the Repubs fault, not the people's fault.

not really......its only the fault of the people who live in Los Angeles County........that's where all those extra votes are cast......

 

[Geeko Sportivo]

I think its a great idea......I suggest New York, California, Illinois, Michigan, Virginia Massachusetts and New Jersey lead the way.....

I think they are waiting on Florida and Texas to commit first! LOL!

 

[Into the Night]

Well, I mean, clearly it's broken if this result has happened 33% of the time since 2000. There have been other instances where there's been a split between the EC and popular vote, and in every single case, it never worked out for the benefit of the country.




Yeah, and if we've run into this problem 33% of the time, then clearly it needs to be fixed.

If your car's transmission broke down 33% of the time, would you still drive that car, or would you replace the transmission?

Denial of history. False equivalence fallacy.

 

[Into the Night]

Flash, bubbulah, the whole concept of the electoral college is to rig the system. That's why it was designed this way back when they only intended for white, male, landowners to vote.

So the Constitution is now 'rigging the system', eh?

 

[Into the Night]

Biden won by at least 7 million votes.

Clinton won by about 3 million votes.

In 2018, the Democrats won the House by over 10 million votes in the aggregate, and when all is said and done, will have also beaten the GOP in the aggregate vote count in 2020, despite losing seats. If you don't think that is a fundamentally broken system, then you're either ignorant, or seem so craftily...and that's not good.

There are not 3 million electoral college members. There are not 7 million electoral college members.

 

[Into the Night]

I agree it should be retained. But when a candidate can win the electoral college by winning 11 states destroys some of the intent to have a republic by having state interests represented.

The system today encourages campaigning only in swing states, but candidates, parties, and popular votes were not foreseen.

It could be argued this way, but that would require and amendment of the Constitution.

It also could be argued that if each State is given an equal number of votes, it gives unfair advantage to States like Wyoming.

We already have a republic. That's government by constitution.

 

[Into the Night]

Of course the system gives one party an advantage...the party that finds itself consistently losing elections, then blaming the elections instead of their own shitty, failed policies, candidates, and ideas. Without the Electoral College and if there was fair representation in the Senate and House, the GOP would have no control. None. And rightly so because they didn't earn it.

You seem to think they earn it by virtue of simple existing. That's entitlement. If states couldn't draw their own federal districts, the GOP's deficit in the House would be much greater. Partisan gerrymandering is the only reason the GOP remains relevant because they have no policies, no record of success to celebrate.




No they don't. Georgia is a perfect example of how Republicans are not benefitting from people moving to red states.




Speak for yourself. Policy is all I care about. The GOP and Conservatism have no coherent policy. They are fascists, as we see right now where they refuse to accept the results of an election because it didn't go their way and they couldn't cheat to win it.

Denial of history. Bigotry.

 

[Into the Night]

No, the EC was created to give slaveowners more say in the government, that's all.

Democracy is majority rules.

If you couldn't win a majority of votes, why should you get to control government?

The United State is not and never was a democracy. We have a constitution. It is a federated republic.

 

[Into the Night]

I can say with 100% certainty that the founding fathers never contemplated a world where 40 million people live in one state while only 500,000 live in another.

Why? You can talk to the dead now?

 

[Into the Night]

Hey idiot, maybe your dumb, lying ass needs a history lesson, but not everyone was allowed to vote in the 18th century.

Not everyone is allowed to vote now.

 

[Into the Night]

What free stuff? Everything we want to do is paid by taxes.

You must be confusing us with your guy Trump, who handed $30B in welfare vote buying to farmer trash whose businesses he killed with his dumb trade war that you supported.

Moron. Liar. Fraud.

The House did that, not Trump.

 

[Flash]

It could be argued this way, but that would require and amendment of the Constitution.

It also could be argued that if each State is given an equal number of votes, it gives unfair advantage to States like Wyoming.

We already have a republic. That's government by constitution.

And amendment to do what? I wasn't suggesting any changes, only pointing out it does have some problems, but so would any alternative.

 

[Into the Night]

I don't understand how you can think that when it is literally written into the Constitution that slaves don't count as whole people, but 35 of a person to be factored into an allotment of representatives that are voted for by only white, landowning men.

Denial of the 13th, 14th, and 15th amendments.

Do you know that that means, though? It doesn't mean "give the minority power at the expense of the majority because the minority can't win elections anymore."

The United States is not a democracy and never was.

I don't give a shit what someone who exaggerates their military service for effect on an anonymous message board thinks what our Republic is "supposed to be".

You don't give a shit about the Constitution.

It was supposed to be for rich, landowning white men. That's why women couldn't vote.

Denial of the 19th amendment.

That's why black people couldn't vote.

Denial of the 13th, 14th, and 15th amendments.

Do you still think that's the case?

RQAA.

 

[Into the Night]

LMAO!

A "big population center" was 50,000 people in 1776.

And NO, they didn't have huge farmlands...unless they were slaveowners.

More people live in Atlanta today than lived in the whole US in 1776.

About twice as many people live in Los Angeles County ALONE than lived in the entire country in 1776.

Argument from randU fallacy. You are making up numbers again.

 

[Into the Night]

What's wrong with our taxation system is that the wealthy don't pay their fair share.

They pay more than their fair share. You're a liar.

Your idea of wrongness is rooted in the belief that you can spend that money better and more efficiently than the government.

He can.

And I'm here to tell you, that just ain't fucking true, as 40 years of tax cuts have shown.

It is fucking true.

 

[Into the Night]

Yes, majority rules. That's why the Senate is 50 +1 votes. That's why the House passes legislation along majority lines. The issue is the representation, and there's no definition of a Republic where the minority rules despite not getting a majority of the vote.

The United States is not a democracy.

You seem to think a Republic is synonymous with a Dictatorship.

Inversion fallacy. That would be YOU.

 

[Into the Night]

Wow...way to stretch there.

What I'm saying is that the founding fathers never contemplated a 21st-century America that stretches from coast-to-cost, where you can hop on a plane in NY and end up in LA 4 hours later. They never envisioned a world where there was no slavery. They never envisioned a world where women were allowed to vote and run for office. They never envisioned a world connected by the Internet.

So applying an 18th-century mindset to 21st-century problems is probably not a smart thing to do. Do you use leeches for your health care? Do you drive around in a horse and buggy? Do you send messages by carrier pigeon? Do you shit in a hole in the ground you dug? Of course not. So why do you selectively apply 18th-century solutions to 21st-century governance?

Presentism fallacy. The Constitution does not expire by age.

 

[Into the Night]

Can you agree with me that what was true in 1776 might not be true in 2020?

Irrelevant.