America Retreating from Religion

coldjoint said:
America is being purged of religion by the same assholes that stole the election.
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To the extent Christianity is being purged, it is the result of white Christian nationalists who serve an obese orange spawn of Belzeebub, and willfully disregard the social gospel of Jesus.
 
Cypress said:
To the extent Christianity is being purged, it is the result of white Christian nationalists who serve an obese orange spawn of Belzeebub, and willfully disregard the social gospel of Jesus.
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In North Africa and the ME Christians are murdered every day. And we send those contries aid.
 
Fun fact: They purge religion in Communist China, too. With the power of the government.
There's a reason the Founding Fathers knew that the centralized government should be kept weak.
They had a chapel in Congress and they met every Sunday. True Story.
There's still a chapel in Congress to this day.
Let's see who denies that.

[2] Federal Orrery, Boston, July 2, 1795, p. 2.
 
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RomanDmowski said:
Everybody had a primitive largely illiterate society prior to the printing press, industrial revolution & Capitalism.

That was just the way things were.

They didn't yet invent the means for prosperity.

Not the religious establishments fault.
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Yeah. Most people spoke their native tongue ... which WASN'T Latin.

RD: "They didn't yet invent the means for prosperity."
Jack: hahahaha ... sure they did. It was called 'Land Ownership'. Ask all the Counts, Dukes, Earls, Princes, and Bishops. They knew where the Money was.

RD: "Not the religious establishments fault."
Jack: All the 'Big Chiefs' had their 'Witch Doctors'. Once The Gang had subdued a Populace, you needed a good Witch Doctor to keep their minds focused.
 
Matt Dillon said:
Fun fact: They purge religion in Communist China, too. With the power of the government.
There's a reason the Founding Fathers knew that the centralized government should be kept weak.
They had a chapel in Congress and they met every Sunday. True Story.
There's still a chapel in Congress to this day.
Let's see who denies that.

[2] Federal Orrery, Boston, July 2, 1795, p. 2.
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Nobody is purging religion in America. People are walking away from it because it creates dissension and hate. It has no answers and is just a way to fleece the people.
 
Matt Dillon said:
Fun fact: They purge religion in Communist China, too. With the power of the government.
There's a reason the Founding Fathers knew that the centralized government should be kept weak.
They had a chapel in Congress and they met every Sunday. True Story.
There's still a chapel in Congress to this day.
Let's see who denies that.

[2] Federal Orrery, Boston, July 2, 1795, p. 2.
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Ever read the 'Jefferson Bible'.

"The Life and Morals of Jesus of Nazareth, commonly referred to as the Jefferson Bible, is one of two religious works constructed by Thomas Jefferson. The first, The Philosophy of Jesus of Nazareth, was completed in 1804, but no copies exist today.[1] The second, The Life and Morals of Jesus of Nazareth, was completed in 1820 by cutting and pasting with a razor and glue numerous sections from the New Testament as extractions of the doctrine of Jesus. Jefferson's condensed composition excludes all miracles by Jesus and most mentions of the supernatural, including sections of the four gospels that contain the Resurrection and most other miracles, and passages that portray Jesus as divine."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jefferson_Bible

It includes what Jesus had to say, but leaves out all the magic shit.
 
Nordberg said:
Nobody is purging religion in America. People are walking away from it because it creates dissension and hate. It has no answers and is just a way to fleece the people.
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Wtf ever, NordSperg.
Faggots like you don't like religion because you like poopiepenis sex and eating dicks.
 
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Jack said:
Yeah. Most people spoke their native tongue ... which WASN'T Latin.

RD: "They didn't yet invent the means for prosperity."
Jack: hahahaha ... sure they did. It was called 'Land Ownership'. Ask all the Counts, Dukes, Earls, Princes, and Bishops. They knew where the Money was.

RD: "Not the religious establishments fault."
Jack: All the 'Big Chiefs' had their 'Witch Doctors'. Once The Gang had subdued a Populace, you needed a good Witch Doctor to keep their minds focused.
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Illiteracy was very high before Catholic Guttenbergs printing press which over time lowered illiteracy.

Capitalism only lowered poverty so much, as you know the early USA had lots of slaves & serfs there simply wasn't enough wealth for everyone.

But, the industrial revolution really built wealth.
 
Cypress said:
The Renaissance was 200 years before the Enlightenment.

There might be exceptions, but to my knowlege Galileo, Da Vinci, Kepler, Copernicus, Donatello, Michelangelo, Thomas Moore, Boticelli, Machiavelli, Titian, Raphael, were all practicing Christians.
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A lot of important Renaissance figures were Catholic.
A few Protestants like Kepler, Tycho Brahe & Martin Luther.

Otherwise a bunch of Catholics like Galileo, Copernicus, Da Vinci,Shakespeare,, Albert Brudzewski, Roger Bacon, Christopher Columbus,Guttenberg,George Von Peuerbach, Michelangelo, Mirandola,Vesiulius, Goslicki, Amerigo Vaspucci,Titian, Josef Strus, Jan Kanty,Michael Seziwoj,Poliziano, Machiavelli, Piotr Skarga,Raphael,Modrzewski, Kochanowski, Jan Brozek,Thomas Moore,John Cabot,Boticelli, Robert Campin, Verazanno, Adam BurskiAdam of Lowicz,,Du Fay, Ockghem, Jan Dlugosz, Vasari,Masaccio, the Warsaw Confederation etc.
 
Matt Dillon said:
Fun fact: They purge religion in Communist China, too. With the power of the government.

There's a reason the Founding Fathers knew that the centralized government should be kept weak.

They had a chapel in Congress and they met every Sunday. True Story.
There's still a chapel in Congress to this day.
Let's see who denies that.

[2] Federal Orrery, Boston, July 2, 1795, p. 2.
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Christianity is the fastest growing religion in China and increasing as a percentage of the population

Christianity is shrinking in the USA.

So this particular Rush Limbaugh talking point about the beauty of small government does not cut the mustard.
 
Cypress said:
Christianity is the fastest growing religion in China and increasing as a percentage of the population

Christianity is shrinking in the USA.

So this particular Rush Limbaugh talking point about the beauty of small government does not cut the mustard.
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not sure if that is still true ? ( not saying it isn't) -but Christian churches are still widely persecuted in China

In China, they’re closing churches, jailing pastors – and even rewriting scripture
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...tians-religious-persecution-translation-bible
 
Jack said:
Do you have any information on this guy?

"Epicurus (341 BCE – 270 BCE) was an ancient Greek philosopher, the founder of the Epicurean school in Athens, who taught that "Pleasure is the principle and end to a happy life." He was a prolific writer, amassing 37 volumes, but unfortunately, only fragments and four letters remain. His teachings would influence many who followed such as Lucretius of Rome and his On the Nature of Things, and the Utilitarians Jeremy Bentham and J.S. Mill. "
https://www.ancient.eu/Epicurus/

Probably not. 'Pleasure' and 'Christianity' don't mix.
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Righty-O.

Epicureansim was an ethical philosophy, but it was not particularly known as a rigorous intellectual approach to skeptical inquiry.

My post said that the Catholic Church of late antiquity and the Medieval period was responsible for the resurrection of skeptical inquiry, largely meaning the reason, logic, and dialectic method of Plato, Aristotle, Socrates.

Saint Augustine was at the forefront of promoting Platonic thought, and Saint Thomas Aquinas is renowned for resurrecting Aristotelian logic in western Europe.
 
Cypress said:
Righty-O.

Epicureansim was an ethical philosophy, but it was not particularly known as a rigorous intellectual approach to skeptical inquiry.

My post said that the Catholic Church of late antiquity and the Medieval period was responsible for the resurrection of skeptical inquiry, largely meaning the reason, logic, and dialectic method of Plato, Aristotle, Socrates.

Saint Augustine was at the forefront of promoting Platonic thought, and Saint Thomas Aquinas is renowned for resurrecting Aristotelian logic in western Europe.
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Some day you should read Plato and Aristotle. Looking at a video does not make you an expert.
 
Cypress said:
Righty-O.

Epicureansim was an ethical philosophy, but it was not particularly known as a rigorous intellectual approach to skeptical inquiry.

My post said that the Catholic Church of late antiquity and the Medieval period was responsible for the resurrection of skeptical inquiry, largely meaning the reason, logic, and dialectic method of Plato, Aristotle, Socrates.

Saint Augustine was at the forefront of promoting Platonic thought, and Saint Thomas Aquinas is renowned for resurrecting Aristotelian logic in western Europe.
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Cool. Did you know Arab Scholars in the Middle East were Muslim? And, kid you not, Scholars in India were Hindu.
Since you seem to believe 'Christians' were so brilliant, why did the Founders here in the US separate the Church from the State?

Any thoughts on Thomas More?


 
Jack said:
Cool. Did you know Arab Scholars in the Middle East were Muslim? And, kid you not, Scholars in India were Hindu.
Since you seem to believe 'Christians' were so brilliant, why did the Founders here in the US separate the Church from the State?

Any thoughts on Thomas More?


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The only thing I know about Thomas Moore is Utopia, which might be the world's first communist manifesto.

The words "separation of church and state" are found nowhere in the Constitution.

The prohibition against the establishment of a state church was a wise insight by the founders, given the religious diversity and roots of the 13 colonies (aka, Massachusetts Puritan, Maryland Catholic, Pennsylvania Quaker, Virginia Episcopalian) - and also because the founders were aware of the nexus between State Churches and the religious wars of the 17th century.

With regard to the intellectual history of western civilization, it is simply a matter of historical fact that natural philosophy, science, skeptical inquiry was sponsored and promoted by the church from late antiquity through the early modern period" largely as a result of the recovery of Greek thought via Italy and Islamic Al Andalus.

Aristotelian logic and Christian scholasticim became stale and moribund by the 16th century, and the intellectuals of the early modern period correctly concluded that a new intellectual approach was needed, specifically the empirical approach of inductive reasoning articulated by Francis Bacon, et al.

Someday, we are going to need a new intellectual approach replacing inductive reasoning.

Pagan thought, Christian scholasticim, and inductive reasoning of the early modern period are all part and parcel of the evolution of western intellectual thought, and all played important roles. It is not the case that people suddenly and magically just became intelligent around the year 1650.
 
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