Deep Green Freeze

anatta said:
Gas and power prices have spiked across the central U.S. while Texas regulators ordered rolling blackouts Monday as an Arctic blast has frozen wind turbines. Herein is the paradox of the left’s climate agenda: The less we use fossil fuels, the more we need them.
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Also, Anatta lied about getting an unsolicited mail-in ballot, so we know that we can't take him at his word on anything
 
anatta said:
4 million customers without power in Tx.
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All thanks to you, of course.

You're the one who didn't want to invest in green energy, choosing instead to throw your lying weight behind fossil fuels.

Now those same fossil fuel companies, that you've spent the last decade defending, are completely unable to deliver on their sole business function when faced with a mild crisis like this.

They're so terrible at delivering energy to consumers, that they're literally telling their customers to stop doing business with them:

Texas Power Retailers to Customers in Face of Freeze: Please, Leave Us
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...r-retailers-in-face-of-freeze-please-leave-us

This is 100% thanks to you.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Heat pumps don't work well below about 50 degrees or so. Below that temperature it's normal to add gas packs or electric heating strips to the AC unit to supplement the heat pump output. Otherwise, what happens is the unit starts running continuously and can never produce enough heat to meet demand.
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Right, and what is currently fueling those heat pumps in Texas? Your beloved fossil fuels.

So you're here telling us that fossil fuel companies are unable to meet the demand of consumers if it gets a little chilly out.

So how is that an argument for fossil fuels? TX's current situation is 100% due to fossil fuel companies being unable to meet the demand.
 
Natural Gas ain't profitable and neither are fossil fuels, which are heavily subsidized to the toll of about $650B a year just in the US.

200 Natural Gas Companies have filed for bankruptcy since 2015.

More than 200 North American oil and gas producers, owing over $130 billion in debt, have filed for bankruptcy since the beginning of 2015
https://www.worldoil.com/news/2020/...re-than-200-other-bankrupt-us-shale-producers

For context, that $130B lost by oil and gas companies is 218 times the amount Solyndra lost 10 years ago.
 
Sailor said:
All alternative energy comes down to a reliable way of storing it for when needed. Thermal Solar (the only one worth a rats ass) uses molten salts. Days of storage. Alternative energies have to be utilized with another form of proven energy source for times like this. None of this is hard to understand. To anyone other than a democrat politician and their rather blind constituents.
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Reliable generation doesn't require storage, nor does it require duplication with back up systems the way unreliable solar and wind do. It makes going to solar and wind simply stupid for most generation purposes.
 
LV426 said:
Right, and what is currently fueling those heat pumps in Texas? Your beloved fossil fuels.

So you're here telling us that fossil fuel companies are unable to meet the demand of consumers if it gets a little chilly out.

So how is that an argument for fossil fuels? TX's current situation is 100% due to fossil fuel companies being unable to meet the demand.
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Given that 25% of Texas' power is wind now, that's the problem. Losing 25% of your generation capacity is a huge problem. I can understand areas in Texas that have heat pumps that work 98%+ of the time for the local weather and this being a freak cold period, but the loss of 25% of generation capacity due to weather is unacceptably poor performance. Wind sucks, or blows, whichever way you want to put it.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Given that 25% of Texas' power is wind now, that's the problem.
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No, the problem is low supply of fossil fuels, as you said earlier, and the other problem is that Texas' energy plants (or whatever you want to call them) can't operate when it gets a little chilly out.


Losing 25% of your generation capacity is a huge problem
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Who said they lost capacity? From what I've read, it's the 75% of fossil fuel generated energy that isn't happening because it's too cold for those plants to operate.

They're also historically terrible at delivering energy to Texas consumers and are now quite literally telling their customers to look elsewhere for their energy needs:

Texas Power Retailers to Customers in Face of Freeze: Please, Leave Us
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...r-retailers-in-face-of-freeze-please-leave-us

Fossil Fuel companies begging their customers to leave them doesn't fill me with confidence that they can deliver energy efficiently, even when there isn't a little cold snap.


I can understand areas in Texas that have heat pumps that work 98%+ of the time for the local weather and this being a freak cold period
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This isn't a freak cold period. This is the new normal. This is what Climate Change looks like. Texas is only going to get more of these events, not less. Doesn't seem like they're prepared for it.


but the loss of 25% of generation capacity due to weather is unacceptably poor performance.
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First of all, it's not wind plants that can't operate in the cold, it's your fossil fuel plants that aren't working in the cold because they aren't winterized.

Secondly, had Texas been on either of the two major national grids, not it's own libertarian grid, the capacity could have been made up from other states.

Thirdly, we are only going to see more winters and events like this, and it's not the wind plants that aren't largely equipped for cold.


Wind sucks, or blows, whichever way you want to put it.
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It's not wind's fault that Texas can't deliver energy to people. It's capitalism's fault, articulated so wonderfully right here:

Texas Power Retailers to Customers in Face of Freeze: Please, Leave Us
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...r-retailers-in-face-of-freeze-please-leave-us
 
Fossil Fuel companies begging their customers to dump them and look elsewhere for their energy needs in the midst of a crisis, is the most Conservative Free Market to have ever Conservative free marketed.
 
LV426 said:
Wind and Solar are obviously the only alternative to fossil fuels, with Wind and/or Solar companies never telling their customers to look elsewhere for their energy needs.
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wind and solar cant work on freezing or cloudy days. the rest of this horseshit I havrnt got time -
late for the pool.
aas for R&D no amount of R&D changes the fact metal freezes when there is condensate on it
 
LV426 said:
All thanks to you, of course.

You're the one who didn't want to invest in green energy, choosing instead to throw your lying weight behind fossil fuels.

Now those same fossil fuel companies, that you've spent the last decade defending, are completely unable to deliver on their sole business function when faced with a mild crisis like this.

They're so terrible at delivering energy to consumers, that they're literally telling their customers to stop doing business with them:

Texas Power Retailers to Customers in Face of Freeze: Please, Leave Us
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...r-retailers-in-face-of-freeze-please-leave-us

This is 100% thanks to you.
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paywalled.use something else or c/p it
 
anatta said:
wind and solar cant work on freezing or cloudy days.
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Apparently, neither can fossil fuels!!!

All of them can work on cold, freezing, or cloudy days, they just need to be weatherized to do so.

And it would probably also help to be on the same national grids as everyone else instead of their own grids that the private fossil fuel companies can't deliver on.


aas for R&D no amount of R&D changes the fact metal freezes when there is condensate on it
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Right, so do they not also use metal in fossil fuel plants?
 
anatta said:
paywalled.use something else or c/p it
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Stop. Fucking. Lying. It's not paywalled.

Texas Power Retailers to Customers in Face of Freeze: Please, Leave Us

Some retail power companies in Texas are making an unusual plea to their customers amid a deep freeze that has sent electricity prices skyrocketing: Please, leave us.

One power supplier, Griddy, told all 29,000 of its customers that they should switch to another provider as spot electricity prices soared to as high as $9,000 a megawatt-hour. Griddy’s customers are fully exposed to the real-time swings in wholesale power markets, so those who don’t leave soon will face extraordinarily high electricity bills.

“We made the unprecedented decision to tell our customers -- whom we worked really hard to get -- that they are better off in the near term with another provider,” said Michael Fallquist, chief executive officer of Griddy. “We want what’s right by our consumers, so we are encouraging them to leave. We believe that transparency and that honesty will bring them back” once prices return to normal.

Texas is home to the most competitive electricity market in America. Homeowners and businesses churn power providers there like credit cards. In the face of such cutthroat competition, retail power providers in the region have grown accustomed to offering new customers incredibly low rates, incentives and, at least in Griddy’s case, unusual plans that allow customers to pay wholesale power prices as opposed to fixed ones.

The ruthless nature of the business has power traders speculating over which firms might have been caught short this week in the most dramatic run-up in spot power prices they’ve ever seen.

Not all companies are asking customers to leave. Others are just pleading for them to cut back.

Pulse Power, based in The Woodlands, Texas, is offering customers a chance to win a Tesla Model 3, or free electricity for up to a year if they reduce their power usage by 10% in the coming days. Austin-based Bulb is offering $2 per kilowatts-hour, up to $200, for any energy customers save.

Griddy, however, is in a different position. Its service is simple -- and controversial. Members pay a $9.99 monthly fee and then pay the cost of spot power traded on Texas’s power grid based on the time of day they use it. Earlier this month, that meant customers were saving money -- and at times even getting paid -- to use electricity at night. But in recent days, the cost of their power has soared from about 5 to 6 cents a kilowatt-hour to $1 or more. That’s when Fallquist knew it was time to urge his customers to leave.

“I can tell you it was probably one of the hardest decisions we’ve ever made,” he said. “Nobody ever wants to see customers go.”

Griddy isn’t the only one out there actively encouraging its customers to leave. People were posting similar pleas on Twitter over the holiday weekend from other Texas retail power providers offering everything from $100 rebates to waived cancellation fees as incentives to switch.

Customers may not even be able to switch. Rizwan Nabi, president of energy consultancy Riz Energy in Houston, said several power providers in Texas have told him they aren’t accepting new customers due to this week’s volatile prices.

Hector Torres, an energy trader in Texas, who is a Griddy customer himself, said he tried to switch services over the long weekend but couldn’t find a company willing to take him until Wednesday, when the weather is forecast to turn warmer.

“I’ll find out in the next week if I’m getting a huge bill,” he said.
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This is all thanks to you.
 
anatta said:
Gas and power prices have spiked across the central U.S. while Texas regulators ordered rolling blackouts Monday as an Arctic blast has frozen wind turbines. Herein is the paradox of the left’s climate agenda: The less we use fossil fuels, the more we need them.

A mix of ice and snow swept across the country this weekend as temperatures plunged below zero in the upper Midwest and into the teens in Houston. Cold snaps happen—the U.S. also experienced a Polar Vortex in 2019—as do heat waves. Yet the power grid is becoming less reliable due to growing reliance on wind and solar, which can’t provide power 24 hours a day, seven days a week.

Texas’s energy emergency could last all week as the weather is forecast to remain frigid. “My understanding is, the wind turbines are all frozen,” Public Utility Commission Chairman DeAnn Walker said Friday. “We are working already to try and ensure we have enough power but it’s taken a lot of coordination.”

Wind’s share has tripled to about 25% since 2010 and accounted for 42% of power last week before the freeze set in. About half of Texans rely on electric pumps for heating, which liberals want to mandate everywhere. But the pumps use a lot of power in frigid weather. So while wind turbines were freezing, demand for power was surging.

California progressives long ago banished coal. But a heat wave last summer strained the state’s power grid as wind flagged and solar ebbed in the evenings. After imposing rolling blackouts, grid regulators resorted to importing coal power from Utah and running diesel emergency generators.

Liberals claim that prices of renewables and fossil fuels are now comparable, which may be true due to subsidies, but they are no free lunch, as this week’s energy emergency shows.
The Biden Administration’s plan to banish fossil fuels is a greater existential threat to Americans than climate change.
https://www.thestreet.com/mishtalk/...o-we-do-when-the-wind-turbines-are-all-frozen
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Mismanagement on Texas' part, the State oversees energy in Texas, and it looks like they did a poor job
 
At the same time, many of the state’s gas-fired power plants were knocked offline amid icy conditions, and some plants appeared to suffer fuel shortages as natural gas demand spiked nationwide. Many of Texas’ wind turbines also froze and stopped working, although this was a smaller part of the problem.
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https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/16/climate/texas-power-grid-failures.html

It's funny how Conservatives want to blame the GND, when the GND wasn't ever signed into law and Texas has been using fossil-fuel plants for the majority of its energy this whole time.

The disaster in Texas is the result of three things:

1. Climate Change
2. Libertarianism
3. Fossil Fuel demand

Guess who was on the wrong side for all three? Anatta.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Given that 25% of Texas' power is wind now, that's the problem. Losing 25% of your generation capacity is a huge problem. I can understand areas in Texas that have heat pumps that work 98%+ of the time for the local weather and this being a freak cold period, but the loss of 25% of generation capacity due to weather is unacceptably poor performance. Wind sucks, or blows, whichever way you want to put it.
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The problems compounded from there, as frigid weather knocked out of service power plants with more than 30 gigawatts of capacity by Monday night. The vast majority of those failures occurred at thermal plants, like natural gas generators, as plummeting temperatures paralyzed plant operations and soaring demand for natural gas nationwide appeared to leave some plants struggling to procure fuel. A number of the state’s power plants were also offline for scheduled maintenance in preparation for the summer peak.

At times, the state’s fleet of wind farms also lost up to 5 gigawatts of capacity, as many turbines froze in the icy conditions and stopped working.

Is 30 > or < 5?
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Given that 25% of Texas' power is wind now, that's the problem. Losing 25% of your generation capacity is a huge problem. I can understand areas in Texas that have heat pumps that work 98%+ of the time for the local weather and this being a freak cold period, but the loss of 25% of generation capacity due to weather is unacceptably poor performance. Wind sucks, or blows, whichever way you want to put it.
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25% of Texas' energy production lost 5 gigawatts of capacity as of Monday night.

75% of Texas' energy production lost 30 gigawatts of capacity as of Monday night.

So it wasn't Wind that accounts for the inability of Texas companies to deliver power to people, it's the 75% of Texas' energy production from fossil fuels that couldn't deliver.

Wind couldn't deliver 5 gigawatts, Fossil Fuels couldn't deliver 30.

In what world is 5 > 30?
 
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