Deep Green Freeze

[no worries]

do you know what grid frequency is ? LMAO
nat gas frozen lines contributed tot he problem but the entire matter was a SNAFU
https://arstechnica.com/science/2021/02/even-power-disasters-are-bigger-in-texas-heres-why/

Doesn't matter, Texas was warned in 2011 storm, about winter weatherizing their plants, equipment and lines.

Those lines and equipment FROZE,

Texas has more of a demand in the summer for power, they did a lot better.

 

[dukkha]

Anything to deflect the blame from their precious windmills!

windmils are not reliable, nor is solar

 

[Althea]

The turbine rotors had little to do with the Texas problems. They are not designed to operate in freezing weather. It was mainly the freezing of natural gas pipelines. Also, the South Texas Nuclear Plant partially shut down:

"On February 15, 2021 during a major power outage that impacted much of the state of Texas, an automatic reactor trip shut South Texas Nuclear Generation Station Unit 1 due to low steam generator levels. According to a Nuclear Regulatory Commission report, the low steam generator levels were due to loss of Feedwater pumps 11 and 13."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Texas_Nuclear_Generating_Station

No, frozen wind turbines aren’t the main culprit for Texas’ power outages

https://www.texastribune.org/2021/02/16/texas-wind-turbines-frozen/

Yes. When single digit weather arrives, anything that employs the use of water is jeopardized. I'm fascinated that nobody in Texas was instructed to turn off the water mains in their homes?

 

[Althea]

Doesn't matter, Texas was warned in 2011 storm, about winter weatherizing their plants, equipment and lines.

Those lines and equipment FROZE,

Texas has more of a demand in the summer for power, they did a lot better.

And ten years before that too. El Paso took note. They don't have the same problems as the rest of the state.

 

[Althea]

The Texas information is inaccurate. Texas has the highest wind production of any state but accounts for about 23% at most and only about 10% in the winter. The turbines are not winterized and do not operate in freezing weather.

The biggest problem in Texas is that the natural gas pipelines froze. Because Texas has its own electric grid it is not able to get additional energy from the west or east.

Except for El Paso

 

[Althea]

What Hoosier Daddy said.

The "Federalist"?

That's where teabaggers not only get where most of their policies but their politicians as well.

And Supreme Court justices

 

[redfish]

No, you spat out a number and didn't provide any context for that number, and the number itself was quite the large range 10 - 60(!). So that's a pretty huge difference/

And also, we're not saying that wind power would replace petroleum, we're saying it would replace coal and natural gas.

So you're doing that shitty thing Conservatives always do, shift the goalposts and erect straw men to argue so you don't have to admit you're full of shit.

You're just not a person who has integrity or who can be trusted.

more lib BS. Do you clowns ever deal in facts? Wind turbines, depending on configuration, require 10-60 gallons of lubricating oil. do you understand that coal, oil, and natural gas are all hydrocarbons and, according to the prophet algore and the idiot AOC, hydrocarbons are causing "climate change" and we must stop using all of them and rely on unreliable wind and solar. and you are very wrong, wind cannot replace coal and gas, maybe some day when the entire coast line is lined with windmills, but not in the foreseeable future.

 

[LV426]

more lib BS. Do you clowns ever deal in facts? Wind turbines, depending on configuration, require 10-60 gallons of lubricating oil. do you understand that coal, oil, and natural gas are all hydrocarbons and, according to the prophet algore and the idiot AOC, hydrocarbons are causing "climate change" and we must stop using all of them and rely on unreliable wind and solar. and you are very wrong, wind cannot replace coal and gas, maybe some day when the entire coast line is lined with windmills, but not in the foreseeable future.

Wind and solar are more reliable than fossil fuels, as we are seeing right now in Texas. The fossil fuels are literally frozen in transit, whereas the wind turbines just need to be de-iced.

Thing is, the wind turbines not working are also the fault of Conservatives because y'all don't take Climate Change seriously, so nothing in Texas was prepared for a little cold snap.

They have windmills in Antarctica and those work fine. Iowa, just a few hundred miles away, has about half as many turbines as Texas does and they don't break down, even when Iowa had that awful ice storm.

 

[redfish]

Wind and solar are more reliable than fossil fuels, as we are seeing right now in Texas. The fossil fuels are literally frozen in transit, whereas the wind turbines just need to be de-iced.

Thing is, the wind turbines not working are also the fault of Conservatives because y'all don't take Climate Change seriously, so nothing in Texas was prepared for a little cold snap.

They have windmills in Antarctica and those work fine. Iowa, just a few hundred miles away, has about half as many turbines as Texas does and they don't break down, even when Iowa had that awful ice storm.

The texas windmills were not built for extreme cold. maybe they should have been, but they were not. so they froze. Probably because of the "urgency" that you warmers put on getting them in place. and you are lying about the hydrocarbon plants freezing up, there were problems with transmission lines and substations but the plants themselves continued to operate. The Texas governor laid it all out, but you libs lie about everything, so your lies here are no surprise.

and NO, man is not changing the earth's climate. the climate of our planet has been changing for hundreds of millions of years, man has never had anything to do with it and never will. even if we had a nuclear war the climate affects would be only temporary relative to the life of the planet. you libs live in a fantasy land.

 

[redfish]

Wind and solar are more reliable than fossil fuels, as we are seeing right now in Texas. The fossil fuels are literally frozen in transit, whereas the wind turbines just need to be de-iced.

Thing is, the wind turbines not working are also the fault of Conservatives because y'all don't take Climate Change seriously, so nothing in Texas was prepared for a little cold snap.

They have windmills in Antarctica and those work fine. Iowa, just a few hundred miles away, has about half as many turbines as Texas does and they don't break down, even when Iowa had that awful ice storm.

as to the reliability of wind and solar, ask Germany where the windmills are frozen and the solar panels are covered with snow. But they are using helicopters (powered by diesel and jet fuel) to de-ice and de-snow. What a joke!!!!

 

[LV426]

The texas windmills were not built for extreme cold.

Ah, so now we are getting to the heart of the matter...Texas ignoring warnings and being wholly unprepared.

Texas experienced a similar storm 10 years ago, and after that storm, recommendations were made to revamp Texas' grid.

Guess how many of those recommendations Texas implemented? ZERO.

So the reason the wind turbines froze in Texas wasn't because of the inherent inability of wind power or green energy or whatever bullshit, but because the idiots in Texas didn't think the 2011 storm would happen again, so they just pretended like it won't.

Windmills can be de-iced...but water and natural gas frozen in transmission? Well, there's nothing they can do about that other than wait for the temperature to warm up. So fossil fuel is way more unreliable in the cold weather than wind or any form of green energy.

and you are lying about the hydrocarbon plants freezing up, there were problems with transmission lines and substations but the plants themselves continued to operate.

Obviously they couldn't operate if the transmission lines were frozen. That's like saying your car runs fine if you ignore the fact that the fuel injection system doesn't work.

The Texas governor laid it all out,

He sure did! He told the people of Texas that Natural Gas was to blame, then went on Fox News 30 minutes later and blamed wind power.

and NO, man is not changing the earth's climate.

Yes, we definitely are. We've been changing it more dramatically the last decade or so. The Climate is changing, and man is responsible for it.

the climate of our planet has been changing for hundreds of millions of years

Right, but the changes happening now are artificial and aren't cyclical.

man has never had anything to do with it and never will.

Yes we definitely have. You are delusional, and I bet you also believe the election was stolen too, don't you?

 

[LV426]

as to the reliability of wind and solar, ask Germany where the windmills are frozen and the solar panels are covered with snow.

Have you never heard of shovels before?

And Germany ended up de-icing those windmills and weatherizing them, and now they work fine.

Why hasn't Texas done the same?

 

[LV426]

ask Germany where the windmills are frozen and the solar panels are covered with snow.

I did ask Germany and you know what they told me?

That they learned their lesson from what happened to the windmills, and they ended up weatherizing them so that they wouldn't freeze anymore.

Also, they discovered this thing that can get snow off solar panels...it's called a shovel.

Did you know that, or are you just referencing some bullshit from a few years ago because you can't hang in this debate with me?

 

[LV426]

But they are using helicopters (powered by diesel and jet fuel) to de-ice and de-snow.

No they're not. You just made this up. Just like how you made up everything else on this thread.

Fact is, Germany's renewables INCREASED their share of the energy capacity in Germany in 2020 by almost 4%.

Renewables meet 46.3% of Germany's 2020 power consumption, up 3.8 pts
https://www.reuters.com/article/ger...20-power-consumption-up-3-8-pts-idUSKBN28O1AH

When did those turbines freeze in Germany? Wasn't that like three or four years ago?

 

[T. A. Gardner]

I did ask Germany and you know what they told me?

That they learned their lesson from what happened to the windmills, and they ended up weatherizing them so that they wouldn't freeze anymore.

Did they figure out how to get them to work when the wind isn't blowing...?

Also, they discovered this thing that can get snow off solar panels...it's called a shovel.

So what have they done to mitigate 100% overcast and that thing called night...?

Oh, and why is Germany's electricity the most expensive of any industrialized nation...?

 

[LV426]

Did they figure out how to get them to work when the wind isn't blowing...?

The wind usually does blow, so I don't know what the fuck you're talking about here.

So what have they done to mitigate 100% overcast and that thing called night...?

So you're saying it's always 100% overcast in Germany and they have 24 hours of night?

Guess what the forecast is in Berlin today? 51 degrees and sunny.

 

[LV426]

Oh, and why is Germany's electricity the most expensive of any industrialized nation...?

Is it?

Negative electricity prices: lockdown’s demand slump exposes inflexibility of German power
In Germany, a slump in demand plus an exceptionally sunny and windy few months sent wholesale electricity prices negative and to record lows.
https://energypost.eu/negative-elec...-slump-exposes-inflexibility-of-german-power/

You're here telling me Germany is always overcast and in perpetual darkness, but the EU says that isn't true.

So only one of you is lying.

 

[Rune]

Nope as always you spin everything to suit your agenda.

https://www.justplainpolitics.com/s...able-%91Green%92-Energy&p=4254636#post4254636

You can't be this fucking stupid.
Nothing in that piece substantiates your claim and gas, coal and nuclear plants did indeed fail.

Furthermore, you incredibly dishonest fossil shill; wind and solar only make up 10 percent of the grid AND didn't all fail.

You are such a dishonest piece of shit.

Go fuck yourself, as usual.

 

[Flash]

Except for El Paso

And Beaumont (where I am). And, maybe some other border areas--maybe near OK.

 

[martin]

Gas and power prices have spiked across the central U.S. while Texas regulators ordered rolling blackouts Monday as an Arctic blast has frozen wind turbines. Herein is the paradox of the left’s climate agenda: The less we use fossil fuels, the more we need them.

A mix of ice and snow swept across the country this weekend as temperatures plunged below zero in the upper Midwest and into the teens in Houston. Cold snaps happen—the U.S. also experienced a Polar Vortex in 2019—as do heat waves. Yet the power grid is becoming less reliable due to growing reliance on wind and solar, which can’t provide power 24 hours a day, seven days a week.

Texas’s energy emergency could last all week as the weather is forecast to remain frigid. “My understanding is, the wind turbines are all frozen,” Public Utility Commission Chairman DeAnn Walker said Friday. “We are working already to try and ensure we have enough power but it’s taken a lot of coordination.”

Wind’s share has tripled to about 25% since 2010 and accounted for 42% of power last week before the freeze set in. About half of Texans rely on electric pumps for heating, which liberals want to mandate everywhere. But the pumps use a lot of power in frigid weather. So while wind turbines were freezing, demand for power was surging.

California progressives long ago banished coal. But a heat wave last summer strained the state’s power grid as wind flagged and solar ebbed in the evenings. After imposing rolling blackouts, grid regulators resorted to importing coal power from Utah and running diesel emergency generators.

Liberals claim that prices of renewables and fossil fuels are now comparable, which may be true due to subsidies, but they are no free lunch, as this week’s energy emergency shows.
The Biden Administration’s plan to banish fossil fuels is a greater existential threat to Americans than climate change.
https://www.thestreet.com/mishtalk/...o-we-do-when-the-wind-turbines-are-all-frozen

Who knew a freeze of ten percent of the power grid would cause this massive wipe out. Yeah, ten percent is the share of wind power in Texas. It did freeze up, not because it is inherently more vulnerable than other sources, but because it wasn't winterized. The same problem that affected the fossil fuel part of the grid which was insufficiently winterized.