Why does the explosion in variants correlate with the vaccines?

[anatta]

Did you know this prior to the conversation - or is it something you just googled?

post 32. 2nd link

 

[anatta]

You forgot to post the rest.

“Any virus is going to try to keep changing so it can continue to spread. For COVID-19, that means we’ll likely see more new variants as more people are vaccinated. That’s natural and expected. Don’t be too worried about it, the vaccine should help keep us safe. But, that’s why it’s so important for experts to work together around the world to track the COVID-19 variants. It’s also important for you to continue doing your part by getting vaccinated as soon as you become eligible to get the COVID-19 vaccine,” Dr. Rosa says.

lol

 

[Darth Omar]

Care to explain why you think there is a contradiction in this sentence? Be specific.

The vaccines will not create variants but it may allow variants that mutate to avoid the vaccine to become prevalent.

Changing which mutation survives is not the same thing as creating the mutation. Your stupidity is amazing for someone that claims to be a medical professional.

For starters I’ll cut you some slack and ignore the absolute claim.

You start out by saying the vaccines *will not* create variants; then go on to contradict yourself by saying the vaccines may allow variants that mutate to avoid the vaccines to become more prevalent.

There is zero practical difference between vaccines creating vaccine resistant strains and strains that ‘mutate to avoid the vaccine’. At least I can’t make any sense out of it. Unless your argument rests on semantics.

 

[AProudLefty]

lol

Yep. Pretty funny how some people have hard time understanding.

 

[Poor Richard Saunders]

you TOTALLY blew right past acquired immunity from COVID exposure.

Assuming that acquired immunity is as good as the vaccine that is true but we are not dealing with 100% of the people not getting the vaccine have already had Covid.

What we learned thanks to ARCHIVES is that the vaxx itself drives mutations -

If you learned that then you need to go soak your head and start over.

(although im pretty sure the RNA replication process is where most mutations happen) ;you post is full of fallacies and incomplete data

The replication process is about the only way that mutations can happen. The other way is modification of RNA/DNA by radiation of something else that actually changes the RNA/DNA strand when it isn't replicating. Vaccines don't change the RNA of a virus.

Feel free to point out any fallacy you think I used. I will be happy to discuss it with you. Your lack of understanding how the process works doesn't mean I am using incomplete data. It simply means you are ignorant.

 

[BartenderElite]

post 32. 2nd link

So, it was googled.

 

[anatta]

how can a virus mutate after vaccines have eradicated it?

think before you post moron

JFC. take you stupidity elsewhere.
virus are never "eradicated" - the population acquires herd immunity, and therefore the hosts are so restricted in number the virus is no longer in wide circulation - ending the pandemic

 

[reagansghost]

JFC. take you stupidity elsewhere.
virus are never "eradicated" -

is polio still a problem knucklehead?

 

[Geeko Sportivo]

For nearly a year, the CCP Virus plodded along without producing any variants until the vaccines came on the scene—and then boom.

Coincidence? Or are the vaccines stimulating evolutionary changes in the COVID19 genome?

Hey! GREAT QUESTION! I knew you had it in you to ask intelligent questions!

No. THE VACCINES ARE NOT CAUSING THE VIRUS TO MUTATE! The Virus was naturally mutating long before the Vaccines were distributed and administered!

When a virus is being attacked so heavily from antigens, YES- IT WILL MUTATE IT'S OWN DNA FOR IT'S OWN SURVIVAL.

When influenza virus drifts enough, vaccines against old strains of the virus and immunity from previous influenza virus infections no longer work against the new, drifted strains. A person then becomes vulnerable to the newer, mutated flu viruses.

Antigenic drift is one of the main reasons why the flu vaccine must be reviewed and updated each year, to keep up with the influenza virus as it changes.

Though the coronavirus vaccines and flu shots use distinctly different technologies against two unique viruses, they still, on a basic level, have the same job.

The shots provide an opportunity for the immune response to recognize a foreign protein or antigen.

These vaccines’ goal is to give the immune system a way to recognize a foreign pathogen and develop a memory response. If and when the body is exposed to the virus, the immune response can be activated faster.

This quick activation of the immune system can either prevent illness or reduce the severity of the disease to varying degrees.

How you give the opportunity to the immune response to look at this foreign antigen varies.

These new Covid Vaccines are programmed to look for any virus with a protein spike on it to attack- the number 1 easily recognizable and unique attribute of all Corona viruses- NOT JUST AN EXACT MATCHING DNA VIRUS LIKE THE OLDER FLU-VACCINES DO!

SO, SO far the vaccines available are killing all of the Corona variants!

I hope this helps!

 

[Truth Detector]

Because virology is complicated and you don't know anything. Next.

Thread trolling dipshit thinks he knows something.

 

[Poor Richard Saunders]

For starters I’ll cut you some slack and ignore the absolute claim.

You start out by saying the vaccines *will not* create variants; then go on to contradict yourself by saying the vaccines may allow variants that mutate to avoid the vaccines to become more prevalent.

There is zero practical difference between vaccines creating vaccine resistant strains and strains that ‘mutate to avoid the vaccine’. At least I can’t make any sense out of it. Unless your argument rests on semantics.

WTF. Clearly you are not a medical professional. Not only that you don't understand basic logic.

A mutation has to occur before it can survive. The environment that allows a variant to out compete other variants does not create the mutation. It simply allows one variant to reproduce better than others if it happens to be better suited to that environment. This is hardly semantics. It goes directly to the process involved. Something you seem incapable of understanding.

 

[anatta]

Assuming that acquired immunity is as good as the vaccine that is true but we are not dealing with 100% of the people not getting the vaccine have already had Covid.

doesnt matter. herd immunity doesnt require 100% immunity in a population

If you learned that then you need to go soak your head and start over.

oh gee so now you pipe up after the info is disclosed.. have you heard ANYONE say "vaxxing can cause mutations"?
Certainly not the vaxx pushers who want kids vaxxed

RNA/DNA by radiation of something else that actually changes the RNA/DNA strand when it isn't replicating. Vaccines don't change the RNA of a virus.

what? where do you get "radiation" are you trying to say" effecting" and chose the wrong medical term?

the PRESENCE of a vaxx, causes a mutation - i would ASS U ME that the mutation is caused by the virus attempting to overcome the vaxx properties ( stimulation of antibodies) , so no Vaxxes do cause RNA mutations

 

[Truth Detector]

bullshit. what a dumbass you are. it is the time the virus has to be in the general population that creates variants, you silly ass bitch. vaccines are the way to stop the mutating, dumbfuck.

^The definition of a triggered loon and a dumb fuck.

 

[reagansghost]

the PRESENCE of a vaxx, causes a mutation - i would ASS U ME that the mutation is caused by the virus attempting to overcome the vaxx properties ( stimulation of antibodies) , so no Vaxxes do cause RNA mutations

you look stupid in that lab coat

 

[Darth Omar]

The reason it happens with bacteria should be a warning you would understand if you were truly a medical professional.

There would be antibiotic resistant strains of bacteria in the absence of antibiotics. It's just they would have no advantage over non resistant strains so may or may not be able to become the dominant strain depending on other factors. Are you sure you ever took a biology course? You don't seem to know the first thing about DNA, RNA or evolution.

You don’t know what you’re talking about lol.

You keep contradicting yourself. Streptomycin resistant strains don’t occur in the wild because—as you said yourself, the mutation which confers resistance to Streptomycin is useless in the wild. If the strain did happen to pop up, the mutation would quickly be ‘selected out’ in several generations because that particular mutation provides no survival advantage in the wild.

The so-called ‘super bugs’ are only ‘super’ in an environment where antibiotics are commonly used—especially hospitals. In fact, it’s commonly thought that antibiotic resistant bacteria would disappear if antibiotics fell out of use. I can’t think of why that wouldn’t be true.

I’ve taken my share of ‘biology courses’ but thanks for enquiring.

 

[anatta]

is polio still a problem knucklehead?

Polio does still exist, although polio cases have decreased by over 99% since 1988, from an estimated more than 350 000 cases to 22 reported cases in 2017. This reduction is the result of the global effort to eradicate the disease. Today, only 2 countries in the world have never stopped transmission of polio (Pakistan and Afghanistan).

Despite the progress achieved since 1988, as long as a single child remains infected with poliovirus, children in all countries are at risk of contracting the disease.
https://www.who.int/news-room/q-a-detail/does-polio-still-exist-is-it-curable

 

[reagansghost]

engaging Darth in this debate makes me say poor Richard Saunders

 

[anatta]

You don’t know what you’re talking about lol.

You keep contradicting yourself. Streptomycin resistant strains don’t occur in the wild because—as you said yourself, the mutation which confers resistance to Streptomycin is useless in the wild. If the strain did happen to pop up, the mutation would quickly be ‘selected out’ in several generations because that particular mutation provides no survival advantage in the wild.

The so-called ‘super bugs’ are only ‘super’ in an environment where antibiotics are commonly used—especially hospitals. In fact, it’s commonly thought that antibiotic resistant bacteria would disappear if antibiotics fell out of use. I can’t think of why that wouldn’t be true.

I’ve taken my share of ‘biology courses’ but thanks for enquiring.

his terminology is so shitty/elastic it's difficult to understand what he is yammering

 

[reagansghost]

Polio does still exist, although polio cases have decreased by over 99% since 1988, from an estimated more than 350 000 cases to 22 reported cases in 2017. This reduction is the result of the global effort to eradicate the disease.

did that effort to 'eradicate the disease' involve a polio vaccine?

 

[Into the Night]

For nearly a year, the CCP Virus plodded along without producing any variants until the vaccines came on the scene—and then boom.

Coincidence? Or are the vaccines stimulating evolutionary changes in the COVID19 genome?

If it changes, it's no longer covid19. Any change will do. I suppose you could call each variant covid20, covid21, covid22, etc. However, there are very few variants in the Covid/SARS series of viruses (as series go). This 'variant' bullshit is obviously a political ploy to keep the Church of Covid party rolling right along.