“I think the CDC...made a mistake"

Dutch Uncle said:
That requires a WAG, but slavery was dying as an institution due to the industrial age. The South's industry, what little it had, was destroyed in warfare; mainly in Sherman's Scorched Earth campaign (now illegal by the Geneva Convention). This put them even further behind the industrialized north. To some extent, they still haven't caught up.

IMO, had Lincoln done nothing but try to maintain cordial trade relations with the South, I think that by the 1900s, slavery would have been abandoned and the nation reunited against an increasingly hostile world. Maybe WWI would have dragged on longer, so long there was no WWII, because the US didn't enter under President Wilson. There's a cascade effect to major changes in history. Change a major thing and it changes everything else.

Regardless, I think slavery was dying as the world became more civilized. Notice that it mainly exists in undeveloped countries and is illegal across the industrialized world due to the conflict between the ideals of unalienable rights and forced subservience.
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I agree that slavery in the south would have been gone eventually with or without the war. I suspect though that the separated South would *still* be struggling economically today unless they had figured out another source of cheap labor, and had the technological means (brains and labor and materiel) to create manufacturing/industry. Cotton and tobacco were not sustainable to promote a thriving middle class.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Flu season casualties were down last year because good Americans were following common sense rules of mask-wearing, hand-washing and social distancing. Those rules haven't changed for decades even though the Trump Zombies make it sound like a Democratic plot to bismirch Trump.

With flu season approaching and COVID still around, I expect the rates of both will rise for the unvaxxed and the Opies of the world.
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There's no doubt about it.
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
You covidiots sure do love that "live in fear" nonsense you've been fed. Guess what? You're wrong again, 61. We're not afraid. I've traveled twice in the last month, once by air. So have hundreds of thousands of others.

I waited till I was vaccinated because one person I visited (youngest daughter) is immunocompromised due to MS, plus her infant hasn't had the vax, nor has her 6-yo. I waited till I was vaxxed because the other family members I visited (middle and oldest daughters) have 1) an infant, and 2) had to wait to get theirs.

You can call concern for others "fear" if that makes your willful ignorance easier to bear. It's the vaccinated ppl who make your false sense of security possible.
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Wrong as usual.

I only changed my lifestyle for a couple weeks very early in the pandemic. I’m not going to change how I live because the CCP was *at the very minimum* negligent in controlling *their pandemic* and allowing to become global.

Don’t worry about how I live and I promise I’ll reciprocate.
 
Darth Omar said:
Wrong as usual.

I only changed my lifestyle for a couple weeks very early in the pandemic. I’m not going to change how I live because the CCP was *at the very minimum* negligent in controlling *their pandemic* and allowing to become global.

Don’t worry about how I live and I promise I’ll reciprocate.
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Oh honey, don't concern yourself; I'm not a bit worried about how you live. My only concern is speaking out against misinformation, ignorance, and stupidity when it comes to ppl's health. Continue in your ignorance, but please try not to spread it to others.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
This article is mainly about the Delta variant and the “pandemic of the unvaccinated.” Buried down in the article is a comment by Dr. Emily Landon, chief infectious-disease epidemiologist at University of Chicago Medicine, who astutely noted that the CDC made a mistake by looking at the pandemic solely as a biological issue and not including that fact social science has a place in reducing the severity of a pandemic.

It's been posted on JPP before that the entire Trump Cult is a social issue. Q anon (the Qless) is mainly a collection of losers and mentally ill Americans feeding on Trump's lies and fantasies.

Biden's comments about Facebook "killing" Americans due to the wash of false information on it is a social issue. Los Angeles has reinstituted an indoor mask mandate as a social science response to what should be a biological issue without the prevalence of false information and Americans who can't tell the difference between truth and lies fostered by Trump and his sycophants.

What interests me most is the recognition that social science has a valid application in saving lives in the midst of a pandemic. I also believe that social sciences have a place in preventing more cults, be they religious or political figures. As noted elsewhere, I believe social sciences are the most useful tool in preventing violence in America, be it with guns, knives, cars or physical rage as the world saw on 1/6.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/07/17/delta-cases-rising/
As the delta variant spreads, the messaging from public health experts and officials is unequivocal: Vaccines are the best protection against severe illness and hospitalization. More than 97 percent of new hospitalizations from the delta variant are from people who are unvaccinated, making what Rochelle Walensky, who directs the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, calls “a pandemic of the unvaccinated.”...

...Emily Landon, chief infectious-disease epidemiologist at University of Chicago Medicine, said the CDC should have included parameters on the mask rules, such as establishing a threshold allowing unvaccinated people to go without masks only if a certain percent of the population is inoculated.

“I think the CDC in May made a mistake,” Landon said. “They made a recommendation based on biological science, but not any social science. Unfortunately, the policy of letting people self-sort into vaccinated and unvaccinated resulted in a sort of behavioral science problem.”
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Link up on the first part of the post you did not write that! The rest is drivel! Not vaccinated, not sick, which is more than I can say for many who took the gene therapy experimental drug!
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
Not only are the unvaxxed not too bright, but they are extremely selfish.
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Agreed on all points. That figures since their problem is a failure to develop; they are children in adult bodies - selfish little assholes who scream "me, me, me" without ever growing up.

I avoided dating women like that (which is why I had a penchant for older women in my 20s and 30s) and stayed away from men like that since they could never be trusted.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/immature
immature
1a: exhibiting less than an expected degree of maturity
emotionally immature adults
b: lacking complete growth, differentiation, or development
 
Wolverine said:
Link up on the first part of the post you did not write that! The rest is drivel! Not vaccinated, not sick, which is more than I can say for many who took the gene therapy experimental drug!
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Matt, you're obviously demented and old. You'll die soon, probably of your own stupidity unless you are under care by someone to protect you.

Have you noticed how a few Alt-Right members have dropped offline? They weren't banned like you, Matt. What happened to them? COVID? FBI? Inquiring people want to know. LOL
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
I agree that slavery in the south would have been gone eventually with or without the war. I suspect though that the separated South would *still* be struggling economically today unless they had figured out another source of cheap labor, and had the technological means (brains and labor and materiel) to create manufacturing/industry. Cotton and tobacco were not sustainable to promote a thriving middle class.
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Mechanical labor was replacing slaves. As machines become more reliable, they replace people be it on a plantation or Walmart.

I live within 20 minutes (East, North and South) of three Walmarts. One of them has replaced all of their checkout counters with the Do-it-yourself stands. No cashiers, just a couple of helpers. I suspect they let 3-4 people go at a minimum. I expect the other two to follow suit.

The South faced the same problems we face today; labor prices rising and product values dropping. In the US today the answer is "super-industrial tech" since it's hard to train villagers without running water to code apps even though they can weave a good rug.

In the case of a seceded South in the 1890s-1900s, they'd have industrialized out of necessity. Without a devastating war, they'd be a step ahead.

Consider that "Reconstruction" was not the same as the Marshall Plan. It was oppressive, not helpful to the South.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Mechanical labor was replacing slaves. As machines become more reliable, they replace people be it on a plantation or Walmart.

I live within 20 minutes (East, North and South) of three Walmarts. One of them has replaced all of their checkout counters with the Do-it-yourself stands. No cashiers, just a couple of helpers. I suspect they let 3-4 people go at a minimum. I expect the other two to follow suit.

The South faced the same problems we face today; labor prices rising and product values dropping. In the US today the answer is "super-industrial tech" since it's hard to train villagers without running water to code apps even though they can weave a good rug.

In the case of a seceded South in the 1890s-1900s, they'd have industrialized out of necessity. Without a devastating war, they'd be a step ahead.

Consider that "Reconstruction" was not the same as the Marshall Plan. It was oppressive, not helpful to the South.
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I will not use self check out at stores. I would not shop at those stores.
 
Phantasmal said:
I will not use self check out at stores. I would not shop at those stores.
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Your choice, but it's the wave of the future. Progress!

Do you think paying higher prices out of pocket to subsidize a high school dropout is really the best way to solve the problem?
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Your choice, but it's the wave of the future. Progress!

Do you think paying higher prices out of pocket to subsidize a high school dropout is really the best way to solve the problem?
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Yes, it’s a job for that kid and I doubt having self check lowers my prices.
 
Phantasmal said:
Yes, it’s a job for that kid and I doubt having self check lowers my prices.
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Self-check is to keep prices low against the movement to pay minimum-wage workers a "living wage" of $40,000/yr as a mopper and cashier.

If the US wants to move into the future with super-industrial jobs, then we need to rethink "first jobs" for High School graduates instead of paying them to stay stupid.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Self-check is to keep prices low against the movement to pay minimum-wage workers a "living wage" of $40,000/yr as a mopper and cashier.

If the US wants to move into the future with super-industrial jobs, then we need to rethink "first jobs" for High School graduates instead of paying them to stay stupid.
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The problem with self-check is that you can only check out around 15 to 20 items.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Self-check is to keep prices low against the movement to pay minimum-wage workers a "living wage" of $40,000/yr as a mopper and cashier.

If the US wants to move into the future with super-industrial jobs, then we need to rethink "first jobs" for High School graduates instead of paying them to stay stupid.
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Sorry, it’s a admirable thought, but you’re always going to have those people who don’t have any drive or the ability to do better in life. I’d rather they have a job than be on the streets.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
He has a hair up his ass about the civil war. I don't know why. All I do know is that since I don't jump on the bandwagon in the false belief that Lincoln invaded the South to end slavery, he follows me around commenting about it. Odd, but harmless.
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Confederate apologists are sillier caricatures than Trump Zombies, and they've been around a lot longer.

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