Current GOP reaction to Afghanistan reminds me of same w/ Benghazi

BartenderElite said:
As soon as you throw out "idiot," you concede.

You have no credibility on this, anyway. You have reversed your position endlessly when it comes to war & committing forces.
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fuck off. Im against all interventionism, and that included Libya/Iraq and AfPak.
i didnt vote for Obama in 2012 because of the fucked up mess he made of Libya
( and it's still a disaster 10years later)

what you are unable to comprehend is called "play the hand you are dealt"
Once you are in you dont just rush out because you want to without mitigating the consequences of a withdrawal.
No wonder your user name is "BidenforPresident" - both of you are utterly clueless
 
anatta said:
fuck off. Im against all interventionism, and that included Libya/Iraq and AfPak.
i didnt vote for Obama in 2012 because of the fucked up mess he made of Libya
( and it's still a disaster 10years later)

what you are unable to comprehend is called "play the hand you are dealt"
Once you are in you dont just rush out because you want to without mitigating the consequences of a withdrawal.
No wonder your user name is "BidenforPresident" - both of you are utterly clueless
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More concession from you. Thanks.

You seem to think we had all of the time in the world to withdraw. It's much more likely that the longer we hung on, the more lives would have been lost.

You don't care about the military. I do. Biggest difference.
 
good point....we objected when the Obama administration lied about Libya and we objected when the Obiden administration lied about Afghanistan......
 
In both cases the nation was betrayed by our foreign policy elites, who have been wrong at almost every turn for well over 50 years.
 
BartenderElite said:
More concession from you. Thanks.

You seem to think we had all of the time in the world to withdraw. It's much more likely that the longer we hung on, the more lives would have been lost.

You don't care about the military. I do. Biggest difference.
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horseshit. we havent lost an American in 18 months before the bombing at kabul because of Bidens evac
 
anatta said:
Our NATO allies -not just Republicans- say Biden screwed up big time
But keep trying to put lipstick on that pig
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speaking of NATO allies- here is how the brits did on evacuating- and they left 4 days before us.....


WORLD
POLITICS
AFGHANISTAN
Friday 27 August 2021, 2:26pm

The Defence Secretary Ben Wallace has told ITV News ending flights out of Kabul, Afghanistan, on Friday will leave some higher profile people "very worried" and "very scared".

He insisted that Britain had "no choice" but to leave now.

But he admitted that there would be a "few hundred" who hadn't been rescued.

Asked whether he had any regrets, he said: "Every person left behind is a regret".

He said he was proud of what British forces had achieved though, getting 14,000 people out in 14 days. (by comparison-The Latest on the US Evacuation from Afghanistan - People.comhttps://people.com › Politics
Aug 25, 2021 — The U.S. Has Evacuated More Than 80,000 People from Afghanistan ... As of Wednesday the U.S. had evacuated or helped evacuate more than ...

Security would be the Taliban's responsibility though, so the idea that their opponents would feel safe venturing to the airport seems somewhat fanciful.

Mr Wallace has made no secret of his opposition to the deal done by US President Donald Trump with the Taliban in Doha last year.

https://www.itv.com/news/2021-08-27...behind-after-british-forces-leave-afghanistan
 
Hoosier Daddy said:
speaking of NATO allies- here is how the brits did on evacuating- and they left 4 days before us.....


WORLD
POLITICS
AFGHANISTAN
Friday 27 August 2021, 2:26pm

The Defence Secretary Ben Wallace has told ITV News ending flights out of Kabul, Afghanistan, on Friday will leave some higher profile people "very worried" and "very scared".

He insisted that Britain had "no choice" but to leave now.

But he admitted that there would be a "few hundred" who hadn't been rescued.

Asked whether he had any regrets, he said: "Every person left behind is a regret".

He said he was proud of what British forces had achieved though, getting 14,000 people out in 14 days. (by comparison-The Latest on the US Evacuation from Afghanistan - People.comhttps://people.com › Politics
Aug 25, 2021 — The U.S. Has Evacuated More Than 80,000 People from Afghanistan ... As of Wednesday the U.S. had evacuated or helped evacuate more than ...

Security would be the Taliban's responsibility though, so the idea that their opponents would feel safe venturing to the airport seems somewhat fanciful.

Mr Wallace has made no secret of his opposition to the deal done by US President Donald Trump with the Taliban in Doha last year.

https://www.itv.com/news/2021-08-27...behind-after-british-forces-leave-afghanistan
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JFC , you are the dumbest yet.
Did the Brits go out from the airport and get their people? yes
did the US? no - except for a chopper flight to the embassy

can the Brits stay after 8/31? - that was Bidens date- not the Brits doing
 
anatta said:
horseshit. we havent lost an American in 18 months before the bombing at kabul because of Bidens evac
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you are being a goddamn liar again....what else is new, liar?

The claim: No service members died in Afghanistan in the last 18 months
Thirteen U.S. service members were killed in Afghanistan in a suicide bombing attack near Kabul's international airport less than a week before the U.S. was set to complete its military pullout on Aug. 31.

That day, Aug. 26, many Americans posted on social media thanking those who died for their service and for their "ultimate sacrifice." But others tacked on additional claims that don't quite line up with reality.

"Not one – not a single American military service member has died in Afghanistan in the past 18 months. Until today," an image posted on Facebook Aug. 26 reads.

In 2020, 11 military deaths were recorded as part of Operation Freedom's Sentinel, according to the Defense Department's Defense Casualty Analysis System, which maintains U.S. casualty information for global or regional conflicts.

Non-combat related deaths recorded until July 2020
The social media post claims there were no military deaths in "the past 18 months," which would date to Feb. 26, 2020.

But that's not accurate.

There were four non-hostile deaths recorded in Afghanistan between Feb. 12 and July 12, 2020, according to the Pentagon's casualty tracking system.

The following service members' deaths were recorded during 2020 as "non-hostile" deaths, according to a detailed Defense Casualty Analysis System report.

Branden Kimball, 21, died on Feb. 12 from a "non-combat-related incident."
Trevarius Bowman, 25, died on May 19 from a "non-combat-related incident."
Vincent Ibarria, 21, died on July 3 as the result of a vehicle rollover accident.
Joseph Allbaugh, 24, died on July 12 from a "non-combat-related incident."

Our fact-check sources:
USA TODAY, Aug. 27, They made the 'ultimate sacrifice': The 13 US service members killed in Afghanistan airport bombing
Steve Martorano, Aug. 26, Instagram post
PragerU, Aug. 26, tweet
Defense Department, Aug. 23, Casualty status
Defense Casualty Analysis System, accessed Aug. 30, U.S. Military Casualties - Operation Freedom's Sentinel Casualty Summary by Month and Service
Defense Casualty Analysis System, accessed Aug. 30, DCAS
Defense Department, Jan.12, 2020, DOD Identifies Army Casualties
Defense Department, Feb. 9, 2020, DOD Identifies Army Casualties
Eric Pahon, Aug. 27, Email exchange with USA TODAY
Defense Casualty Analysis System, accessed Aug. 30, U.S. Military Casualties - Operation Freedom's Sentinel Names of Fallen
Defense Department, Feb. 13, 2020, DOD Identifies Army Casualty (Branden Kimball)
Defense Department, May 21, 2020, DOD Identifies Army Casualty (Trevarius Bowman)
Defense Department, July 4, 2020, DOD Identifies Army Casualty (Vincent Ibarria)
Defense Department, July 13, 2020, DOD Identifies Army Casualty (Joseph Allbaugh)
Defense Department, Jan. 29, 2020, DOD Identifies Air Force Casualties
 
anatta said:
JFC , you are the dumbest yet.
Did the Brits go out from the airport and get their people? yes
did the US? no - except for a chopper flight to the embassy

can the Brits stay after 8/31? - that was Bidens date- not the Brits doing
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they left 4 days earlier, stupid asshole. since when does biden tell the brits what to do, lying shithead?
 
Hoosier Daddy said:
you are being a goddamn liar again....what else is new, liar?

The claim: No service members died in Afghanistan in the last 18 months
Thirteen U.S. service members were killed in Afghanistan in a suicide bombing attack near Kabul's international airport less than a week before the U.S. was set to complete its military pullout on Aug. 31.

That day, Aug. 26, many Americans posted on social media thanking those who died for their service and for their "ultimate sacrifice." But others tacked on additional claims that don't quite line up with reality.

"Not one – not a single American military service member has died in Afghanistan in the past 18 months. Until today," an image posted on Facebook Aug. 26 reads.

In 2020, 11 military deaths were recorded as part of Operation Freedom's Sentinel, according to the Defense Department's Defense Casualty Analysis System, which maintains U.S. casualty information for global or regional conflicts.

Non-combat related deaths recorded until July 2020
The social media post claims there were no military deaths in "the past 18 months," which would date to Feb. 26, 2020.

But that's not accurate.

There were four non-hostile deaths recorded in Afghanistan between Feb. 12 and July 12, 2020, according to the Pentagon's casualty tracking system.

The following service members' deaths were recorded during 2020 as "non-hostile" deaths, according to a detailed Defense Casualty Analysis System report.

Branden Kimball, 21, died on Feb. 12 from a "non-combat-related incident."
Trevarius Bowman, 25, died on May 19 from a "non-combat-related incident."
Vincent Ibarria, 21, died on July 3 as the result of a vehicle rollover accident.
Joseph Allbaugh, 24, died on July 12 from a "non-combat-related incident."

Our fact-check sources:
USA TODAY, Aug. 27, They made the 'ultimate sacrifice': The 13 US service members killed in Afghanistan airport bombing
Steve Martorano, Aug. 26, Instagram post
PragerU, Aug. 26, tweet
Defense Department, Aug. 23, Casualty status
Defense Casualty Analysis System, accessed Aug. 30, U.S. Military Casualties - Operation Freedom's Sentinel Casualty Summary by Month and Service
Defense Casualty Analysis System, accessed Aug. 30, DCAS
Defense Department, Jan.12, 2020, DOD Identifies Army Casualties
Defense Department, Feb. 9, 2020, DOD Identifies Army Casualties
Eric Pahon, Aug. 27, Email exchange with USA TODAY
Defense Casualty Analysis System, accessed Aug. 30, U.S. Military Casualties - Operation Freedom's Sentinel Names of Fallen
Defense Department, Feb. 13, 2020, DOD Identifies Army Casualty (Branden Kimball)
Defense Department, May 21, 2020, DOD Identifies Army Casualty (Trevarius Bowman)
Defense Department, July 4, 2020, DOD Identifies Army Casualty (Vincent Ibarria)
Defense Department, July 13, 2020, DOD Identifies Army Casualty (Joseph Allbaugh)
Defense Department, Jan. 29, 2020, DOD Identifies Air Force Casualties
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you fucking dolt. those are non-combat/non hostile deaths
How about the 13 Biden got killed do to his incompetence? those were very much combat/hostile deaths

you're a googling idiot
 
Hoosier Daddy said:
they left 4 days earlier, stupid asshole. since when does biden tell the brits what to do, lying shithead?
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why did they leave? because of Biden's date.
If Biden had said "we're not leaving until we get all our people out" -so would the Brits

all you can do is some googling, but that's not going to help you if you cant understand context
 
anatta said:
why did they leave? because of Biden's date.
If Biden had said "we're not leaving until we get all our people out" -so would the Brits

all you can do is some googling, but that's not going to help you if you cant understand context
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you are a liar. britain does not do what biden says. the point was, liar, you said NATO allies were all against biden, but the US left later and airlifted out way more. and you repeated an internet lie about not being any deaths to US soldiers in the last 18 months,

what a liar!!
 
anatta said:
you fucking dolt. those are non-combat/non hostile deaths
How about the 13 Biden got killed do to his incompetence? those were very much combat/hostile deaths

you're a googling idiot
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now like the chickenshit liar you are, you try to move the goalposts---here is the lie you originally said, liar, chickenshit goal post mover-

Quote Originally Posted by anatta
horseshit. we havent lost an American in 18 months before the bombing at kabul because of Bidens evac (no mention of "non-combat deaths or combat deaths"}


Defense Casualty Analysis System, accessed Aug. 30, U.S. Military Casualties - Operation Freedom's Sentinel Names of Fallen
Defense Department, Feb. 13, 2020, DOD Identifies Army Casualty (Branden Kimball)
Defense Department, May 21, 2020, DOD Identifies Army Casualty (Trevarius Bowman)
Defense Department, July 4, 2020, DOD Identifies Army Casualty (Vincent Ibarria)
Defense Department, July 13, 2020, DOD Identifies Army Casualty (Joseph Allbaugh)
Defense Department, Jan. 29, 2020, DOD Identifies Air Force Casualties
 
Actually the U.S. reaction to the insurrectionist GQP should be dealt with like any other imminent threat at war against Democracy and society, which is completely U.S. Constitutionally compliant.
 
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