And what should the penalty be for not getting the vaccines?
Top Ten States In COVID Deaths Per Million
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And what should the penalty be for not getting the vaccines?
Nothing. They can sit home and eat Bon-Bons all day for all I care. What they can't do is act contrary to public health concerns.
Have you see the people prosecuted for spreading STDs? Why should any careless asshole spreading disease be treated different? Just like I can carry my gun but be restricted from brandishing it, people can be required to abide by public health considerations in a global pandemic...just not forcibly injected.
https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/is-it-a-crime-to-intentionally-get-someone-sick.html
What is the point in mandating students in public schools to get vaccines if there is no penalty for them refusing to do so?
Same penalty if they were infected with COVID. What's that?
Besides, I mentioned the option of testing and masks. There's two more viable options: homeschooling and virtual learning.
What's the problem?
Is it called a mandate or simply a school requirement like their measles shots??
What's the penalty for kids who have no vaccinations at all?
Nothing.
Children almost NEVER die of Covid.
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm#SexAndAge
And what if the parents cannot afford to stay at home (assuming both work) if their child is booted out?
Then what?
You are going to cost LOTS of people their houses as they will not be able to afford the mortgages if one parent is forced to stay at home.
If millions of children do not take the shot?
Then it could significantly damage the economy if millions of these parents must quit their jobs to look after their children.
And lose their homes.
Lowering their standard of living.
And the teachers unions will be pissed as too many children not taking the shot will force teachers to be laid off.
All this just because a bunch of children whom DO NOT medically NEED THE SHOT?
Are forced to take it anyway?
That makes no sense to me.
How many kids have to die before you become concerned about their health?
Nice rant. File all of it under "their problem, not mine." Protect the majority of kids against the one or two with loser parents.
The medical need is to 1) protect the kids and 2) reduce spreading the disease.
Read the fucking link.
Only 655 Americans under 18 have died that MIGHT have had Covid-19 and MIGHT have died of it.
So, the number is obviously much less.
You don't fuckin' force 75 million children to get the vaccine when - at most - it might save a couple hundred.
That's fucking insane.
But several dozen - at least - will die from the vaccine
Plus all the misery being kicked out of school could cause.
Possibly ruining the lives of thousands of children.
You idea is fucked.
SO...are you for forcing flu shots?
That could save tens of thousands?
Forcing fat, old people to lose weight so they don't die of cardiac problems?
Cardiac problems take 800K Americans every year.
Well?
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She's a fucking liar as not that long ago the witch was saying exactly that!
PoliTalker
Diversity Makes Greatness
Hello McRocket,
Thanks for the intellect. I think you've made the best possible argument for your position. But I think it still falls short. Yes, if only those considerations are allowed, it seems unreasonable to be in favor of forced vaccines for one disease but not the other. But the reality is that those are not the only considerations.
I mentioned that the big difference is that COVID is in pandemic state. That's not just a word. That is the difference that makes the difference in the usefulness of a mandate. The flu causes deaths and there would be fewer if vaccines were mandated, true. But consider the following very carefully:
The flu is not doubling every 3 days.
COVID is.
The flu is not filling ICUs and overwhelming hospitals.
The flu is seasonal. COVID comes in waves, each one worse than the ones before. And COVID, being a novel virus, is mutating rapidly into who knows what. Hopefully Omicron is not as dangerous. But the next one might be more deadly. We have to do whatever we can to get control of this. Hence, mandates.
Thanks for the intellect. I think you've made the best possible argument for your position. But I think it still falls short. Yes, if only those considerations are allowed, it seems unreasonable to be in favor of forced vaccines for one disease but not the other. But the reality is that those are not the only considerations.
I mentioned that the big difference is that COVID is in pandemic state. That's not just a word. That is the difference that makes the difference in the usefulness of a mandate. The flu causes deaths and there would be fewer if vaccines were mandated, true. But consider the following very carefully:
The flu is not doubling every 3 days.
COVID is.
The flu is not filling ICUs and overwhelming hospitals.
The flu is seasonal. COVID comes in waves, each one worse than the ones before. And COVID, being a novel virus, is mutating rapidly into who knows what. Hopefully Omicron is not as dangerous. But the next one might be more deadly. We have to do whatever we can to get control of this. Hence, mandates.
I did read the fucking link. The fact you have flipped out from being logical to emotional is interesting. It tells me you are emotionally invested in this for some reason. Why? It seems like a straight forward public health and rights problem to me.
Why have vaccinations at all? Why have a flu vaccine? Tetanus? Measles? Doesn't your "logic" apply to those situations equally?
Thank you for remaining civil...very refreshing.
The bottom line is that people want to vaccinate children not to save the children.
But to get the children vaccinated to try and reach herd immunity through the vaccinations.
I would still have a problem with this.
But if people would just put it honestly as that.
And not pretend that it was to 'save the children'...I could live with it better.
I highly doubt that vaccinating all 75 million America children will end up helping those children more than hurting them, directly.
Several hundred - at least - will have serious, allergic reactions to the shots.
And right there - that is about all the children you would ever save by vaccinating them as children almost NEVER die of Covid-19.
I am not saying you are doing this.
But I get disgusted by losers who hide behind 'saving the children' bullshit morality.
When all they really are doing is trying to save their grandpa and/or their own skins.
Or, worse, simply towing the government line like good, little trained minions.
PoliTalker
Diversity Makes Greatness
Hello McRocket,
Civility. You're welcome. And thank you for the same. Isn't it refreshing? You can trust that I will always try my best to give a civil response. I openly pledge to do that in my Signature. Even when I am placing unruly posters on permanent Ignore I try to be as respectful as possible. I usually wish them well as I tell them I will never read anything more they post. Civility is important to me. I decided long ago to simply stop conversing with those who want to play mind games or try to turn it into something personal. I think we accomplish more here if we keep the discussions academic.
When I came to this forum 3.5 years ago my first post announced that I intended to have a large Ignore List and anybody who felt like telling me off should go right ahead and do it so I could quickly build an effective Ignore List. It worked. All I see are respectful comments and a bunch of place-holders where the rude have said something I don't care to see. By filtering all the garbage out, I am left with only the highest quality of discussions.
Government. We're bonded with our government, like it or not.
Our government was not thrust into our lives. We created it. We have to have a government. What government could possibly be better than one we created ourselves and retain the power to change?
Everybody isn't going to like our government. Some are bound to pretend government is a monster that is trying to get us. There will always be people with authority issues. That is to be expected.
Vaccinating Children. It is true. Arguments have been made that vaccinations save children's lives. I have made that argument, among many. And that's a true statement. It is also true, as you say, that most children don't need saving from COVID. Actually, most people do not need saving from COVID. Most cases have either non-life-threatening symptoms, or none at all. Just as with children. We get vaccinated as much for ourselves as we do it for other people. Because some will die if we let COVID run wild.
It is not that children don't get COVID. It is that they don't die from it, or even get sick in most cases. This turns children into super-spreaders. That's the problem. Children become the conduit for the disease to kill the vulnerable.
And we can shut that route off by getting children vaccinated.
So that is what we are doing. And it has nothing to do with the way some people refuse to cooperate with our government, or others trust our government. Because at some point we do have to have a government. And sometimes, the people need to follow government leaders. A pandemic is one of those times. A willy-nilly individual do-as-you-please response will not get it. A pandemic requires a coordinated response that has to come from government and must be carried out by the people who created that government.
Civility. You're welcome. And thank you for the same. Isn't it refreshing? You can trust that I will always try my best to give a civil response. I openly pledge to do that in my Signature. Even when I am placing unruly posters on permanent Ignore I try to be as respectful as possible. I usually wish them well as I tell them I will never read anything more they post. Civility is important to me. I decided long ago to simply stop conversing with those who want to play mind games or try to turn it into something personal. I think we accomplish more here if we keep the discussions academic.
When I came to this forum 3.5 years ago my first post announced that I intended to have a large Ignore List and anybody who felt like telling me off should go right ahead and do it so I could quickly build an effective Ignore List. It worked. All I see are respectful comments and a bunch of place-holders where the rude have said something I don't care to see. By filtering all the garbage out, I am left with only the highest quality of discussions.
Government. We're bonded with our government, like it or not.
Our government was not thrust into our lives. We created it. We have to have a government. What government could possibly be better than one we created ourselves and retain the power to change?
Everybody isn't going to like our government. Some are bound to pretend government is a monster that is trying to get us. There will always be people with authority issues. That is to be expected.
Vaccinating Children. It is true. Arguments have been made that vaccinations save children's lives. I have made that argument, among many. And that's a true statement. It is also true, as you say, that most children don't need saving from COVID. Actually, most people do not need saving from COVID. Most cases have either non-life-threatening symptoms, or none at all. Just as with children. We get vaccinated as much for ourselves as we do it for other people. Because some will die if we let COVID run wild.
It is not that children don't get COVID. It is that they don't die from it, or even get sick in most cases. This turns children into super-spreaders. That's the problem. Children become the conduit for the disease to kill the vulnerable.
And we can shut that route off by getting children vaccinated.
So that is what we are doing. And it has nothing to do with the way some people refuse to cooperate with our government, or others trust our government. Because at some point we do have to have a government. And sometimes, the people need to follow government leaders. A pandemic is one of those times. A willy-nilly individual do-as-you-please response will not get it. A pandemic requires a coordinated response that has to come from government and must be carried out by the people who created that government.
Well Mississippi 39% black.. Alabama 27%... Louisiana 34%..Georgia 32%
Roughly 55% of the Black population lives in the south and southeast regions of the United States......Blacks are the least vaxed race in the country
And all u POS do is scream about the unvaxed making it worse...so your problem is with the blacks.
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PoliTalker
Diversity Makes Greatness
Hello McRocket,
There is no point in an unenforced mandate.
They should not be allowed to go to school unless vaccinated.
There is no point in an unenforced mandate.
They should not be allowed to go to school unless vaccinated.
PoliTalker
Diversity Makes Greatness
Hello McRocket,
Those parents need to weigh their options carefully when deciding whether or not to meet the reasonable requirements to enroll their children in school. Their own financial situation is a result of their own choices.
Those parents need to weigh their options carefully when deciding whether or not to meet the reasonable requirements to enroll their children in school. Their own financial situation is a result of their own choices.
Want to keep black kids out of school... huh? Because thats who it will hurt the most
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