don't attend the "civil war"

[In the Night]

South Carolina "ratified" the U.S. Constitution in 1788. By doing so it became a legally bound state of the United States. There was no "we changed our minds" clause. To become legally bound is what the word "ratification" means in law.

Denial of the Constitution of the United States. Denial of the purpose of a constitution.
It is legal to secede.

 

[In the Night]

The Southern states never left the United States,

Yes they did.

their Civil War was an attempt to leave and become their own nation.

They were already their own nation when the War of Secession broke out.

They lost, so they were never their own nation, despite having their plans to become one.

They were already their own nation when the War of Secession broke out.

The United States has never had a civil war. The War of Secession was between the USA and CSA; two different nations.

 

[In the Night]

No offense, but you do not know what you are talking about on this.

America is still much more powerful than China, militarily.

But the later is closing the gap...fast.

Army - they have thoroughly modern equipment in the Type 99 MBT, Type 08 APC system, PLZ-05 SPA/PHL-03-MRL, numerous modern IFV's and WZ-10 attack helicopter.
Some of these are close/equal to NATO's equipment.

The US army is not NATO.

Air Force - most of their present inventory is based on the latest Russian combat aircraft like the J-11 and J-16.
However, the Chinese have developed several aircraft of their own including the J-10 (similar to a high Block F-16) and the fifth-generation stealth J-20. With the JH-7 for multi-role, attack duties.

Navy - they have 2x65,000 ton aircraft carriers. And are building an 85,000 ton one. With up to 4x110,000 ton (that is Ford Class size) Type 004 aircraft carriers that could be finished by the early 2030's.
And they are also developing an F-35 type aircraft (J-31) for their Navy with similar capabilities.
Plus, they are building large numbers of thoroughly, modern cruisers and destroyers (including the HUGE, 13,000 ton Type 55 cruisers). 45 to be in service by 2022. All built this millennium alone.
Also, they have built 34xType 54A frigates in just the last 14 years.
Finally, they have built 8x25,000+ ton Amphibious transport ships - all in the last 14 years. And have 3 amphibious assault ships that are up to 40,000 tons. With 5 more on order.

However, if they continue to develop their hypersonic missiles.
And if they perform as promised?
They could render America's Carrier Strike Groups obsolete - if manufactured in sufficient numbers.
I explain more here:
https://www.justplainpolitics.com/s...saurs-Agree-or-disagree&p=4831529#post4831529


China is by NO MEANS militarily weak any longer. They have built and are continuing to build and develop large numbers of modern, weapons systems that are close to or equal with many NATO standard ones.

I never China is militarily weak. You seem to forget quite a lot.

China is notorious for claiming they have built something, and it turns out they didn't, or doesn't perform anywhere near as well as they claim.
All that hardware is useless for taking over a country. Infantry is still needed. They have little chance against armed citizens of the SOA.
They have to get that infantry here and supply it over a stretch of the largest ocean in the world.
It would torpedo their economy to attack the SOA.

And as I mentioned in other threads? China - at it's present rate of GDP growth - will pass America's GDP within 8 or 9 years.
And pass her GDP per capita average within 50-55 years.

If these milestones are reached - they will then be free to produce truly, gigantic numbers of modern, indigenous-designed, weapons systems.

GDP is not the economy. It is a combination of government spending and private production. In China, much of it is government spending.

I already know what you will say - 'you are wrong'.
And you will post ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to back that up...as usual.

I do not need any links. Holy Links are not a proof. Denial of philosophy. Denial of practical warfare.

So I will not bother wasting my time looking for your reply.

Thus, my answer to it is -
'Fine.
Believe whatever you like.'

We are done here.

Bye now.'

Bulverism fallacy. Cliche fallacy.

 

[In the Night]

That's not a good situation and we have leaders here whose main goal to fagify the military.

We also have an armed citizenry and well trained soldiers. We also have a revolt brewing. These leader's days are numbered.

 

[In the Night]

America has to get off it's collective butt and a) balance the frigging budget.

The SODC has to get off it's collective butt and balance the frigging budget. Not gonna happen though.

And b) get the Fed/federal government to LEAVE the economy alone so that the GDP can grow at a far higher rate than it has over the last 15 years or so.

Works for me.

All that is happening now is the people are fighting each other.
While the government prints money with a turbocharger.
And the Fed is destroying free enterprise.

The fruits of the Democrat party.

It's not too late...but we have to change things soon.

Though right now?
I see no urgency to do ANY of these things.

And you won't as long as the Democrat coup remains successful.

 

[In the Night]

Like saying a couple's twelve year old ceases to be it's lawful child by running away from home.

False equivalence fallacy.

The other myth from Civil War apologists is that secession was simply a lawful exercise of state's rights - "a matter of principle, dear fellow".

It is the inherent right of ANY State to secede from a federation.

A crock of shit is what that is, invented after the war was over.

No. It is the inherent right of ANY State to secede from a federation. You have also put yourself in paradox. The colonies seceded from England. That time it was successful.

Secession was entirely about slavery.

No. It was about several things, though slavery was a factor in much of it. It was about the 4th amendment, for one thing, and the willingness of Lincoln to ignore it.

The two sticking points were 1) refusal by northern states to vigorously enforce the federal fugitive slave law that legally denied sanctuary to escaped slaves and 2) the continuing admission into the union of new, free states thereby upsetting the balance in Congress between free and slave states. If there's any doubt about South Carolina's slavery concerns as the state's one and only justification for leaving the union, take a couple of minutes and read its Declaration of Secession.
https://www.americanyawp.com/reader...south-carolina-declaration-of-secession-1860/

Like I just said.

 

[In the Night]

Nothing in the Constitution stated states can un-ratify their ratification for that or any other reason. And, curiously, the argument that ratification didn't really mean ratification doesn't seem to have occurred to the members of the South Carolina legislature when they put in writing their justification for secession.

Denial of the 9th amendment. Denial of the Constitution of the United States. Denial of inherent rights. ANY State has the inherent right to secede from ANY federation. The Constitution DOES NOT HAVE TO SPECIFICALLY GRANT ANY RIGHT.

Rights do not come from a piece of paper.

 

[In the Night]

since when has a government never used force because someone refused one of their orders?????

Bingo.

 

[In the Night]

Well, not to you, anyway. Anyone who knows what "ratification" means would buy it. The South Carolina legislature obviously had the brains not to buy your argument when it declared its reasons for secession.

Denial of inherent rights. Redefinition fallacy.

 

[In the Night]

make them shoot you.

No.

we win the moral argument.

No, you don't. I will not stand by while a neighbor suffers at the hands of government.

get violent and we lose all public support and you will also lose against the government.

The citizens ARE the government. If they stand up against it, there is NOTHING any leaders or their armies can do about it.

martyrdom works. I have spiritual beliefs anyway.

Not necessarily.

if you only believe in the physical world, you're already lost.

I don't.

this is my take.
do what you want.
I'm doing what jesus would do.

You do not know what Jesus would do and refuse to acknowledge what Jesus has done. Only Jesus knows what Jesus would do. You do not get to speak for any god. You only get to speak for yourself.

 

[Jerry Mathers]

No.

No, you don't. I will not stand by while a neighbor suffers at the hands of government.

The citizens ARE the government. If they stand up against it, there is NOTHING any leaders or their armies can do about it.

Not necessarily.

I don't.

You do not know what Jesus would do and refuse to acknowledge what Jesus has done. Only Jesus knows what Jesus would do. You do not get to speak for any god. You only get to speak for yourself.

jesus speaks for himself, and he said turn the other cheek.

and defending your neighbor is not exactly planning a full civil war.

exaggeration fallacy.
alarmism fallacy.

dismissed.

 

[In the Night]

]jesus speaks for himself, and he said turn the other cheek.

and defending your neighbor is not exactly planning a full civil war.

You are now locked in paradox. You are also ignoring other teachings of Jesus and taking this statement out of context.

exaggeration fallacy.
alarmism fallacy.

dismissed.

Fallacy fallacy. Mockery. Denial of logic. Special pleading fallacy. Elitism.

 

[Jerry Mathers]

You are now locked in paradox. You are also ignoring other teachings of Jesus and taking this statement out of context.

Fallacy fallacy. Mockery. Denial of logic. Special pleading fallacy. Elitism.

school me on Jesus's teachings on a deep state fake civil war.

 

[evince]

the civil war is a ridiculous concept offered up by deep state fuckos on the right and the left.

it typical divide and conquer, order out of chaos, false flag deep state horseshit.

don't attend the civil war, and there will be no civil war.

this is the part where the new world order fails due to no fucks given.

It didn’t work huh



Idiots still attended


They walked the FBI right to your shit bag racist flock



Now you are totally fucked


Stewie roades just got indicted




HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH

 

[Jerry Mathers]

It didn’t work huh



Idiots still attended


They walked the FBI right to your shit bag racist flock



Now you are totally fucked


Stewie roades just got indicted




HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH

omg. take your pills.

 

[In the Night]

school me on Jesus's teachings on a deep state fake civil war.

??

 

[T. A. Gardner]

If we even had one, it is very likely not to look much like the last one.

 

[Rusty Bell 65]

Like saying a couple's twelve year old ceases to be it's lawful child by running away from home.

The other myth from Civil War apologists is that secession was simply a lawful exercise of state's rights - "a matter of principle, dear fellow". A crock of shit is what that is, invented after the war was over.

Secession was entirely about slavery. The two sticking points were 1) refusal by northern states to vigorously enforce the federal fugitive slave law that legally denied sanctuary to escaped slaves and 2) the continuing admission into the union of new, free states thereby upsetting the balance in Congress between free and slave states. If there's any doubt about South Carolina's slavery concerns as the state's one and only justification for leaving the union, take a couple of minutes and read its Declaration of Secession.

https://www.americanyawp.com/reader...south-carolina-declaration-of-secession-1860/

Stupid comparison

You come up with that one yourself?

No, it was not entirely about slavery. S.C. was not the only state to join the Confederacy. You might read up on the other states.

 

[Rusty Bell 65]

Yes they did.

They were already their own nation when the War of Secession broke out.

They were already their own nation when the War of Secession broke out.

The United States has never had a civil war. The War of Secession was between the USA and CSA; two different nations.

No, they did not.

No. they weren't. They were still part of the US.

Nope. Wrong again. the South was still part of the US.

 

[McRocket]

The US army is not NATO.

I never China is militarily weak. You seem to forget quite a lot.

China is notorious for claiming they have built something, and it turns out they didn't, or doesn't perform anywhere near as well as they claim.
All that hardware is useless for taking over a country. Infantry is still needed. They have little chance against armed citizens of the SOA.
They have to get that infantry here and supply it over a stretch of the largest ocean in the world.
It would torpedo their economy to attack the SOA.


GDP is not the economy. It is a combination of government spending and private production. In China, much of it is government spending.


I do not need any links. Holy Links are not a proof. Denial of philosophy. Denial of practical warfare.

Bulverism fallacy. Cliche fallacy.

I scanned your post briefly and saw no links...EXACTLY as I predicted.

So...

'Fine.
Believe whatever you like.'

We are done here.

Bye now.'


Note - why on Earth you feel like people should just blindly take your word for things is totally beyond me.

I sure don't.

Nor would I expect others to take mine without proof.