So, You Want $15 An Hour?

[Street Glider]

Okay. You are of the "I've got mine, fuck you" school.

No, I'm of the "I can't help everyone" school.

If you believe you can help everyone, you're an ignorant fool. You can't. The fact of the matter is that I have my own employees, who aren't afraid to come to work for their money, to be concerned with. They're not lazy fucks who believe that unemployment should be a career option. If a hard worker falls on hard times, sure, it's perfectly acceptable to help him because, if he's a hard worker, he will find another job. But those who prefer to sit on their asses? I can't imagine a single reason why anyone should go out of their way to help them.

If they're not going to try to help themselves, why in the fuck should I worry about doing it?

You got yours by hard work, right?

You're goddamn right I did. I built two successful companies out of, pretty much, nothing. For the first three years, I was my only full-time employee. I was close to closing my doors half a dozen times. But that was never really an option for me. In 2002 I hired my first three full-time employees. I now employ 158 people and everyone of them enjoys being here...

 

[Melchizedek = Michael]

Fewer cashiers means there could be more client relations/customer service personnel.

Duh!

 

[danielpalos]

In my opinion, automation should start taking over simple physical tasks to help alleviate our supply-side issues.

 

[Street Glider]

The best way to improve one's economic position and enhance one's livelihood is getting an education or learning a highly skilled in demand job.

Absolutely.

About ten years ago, one of the girls working in my accounting department (but not an accountant) decided she wanted to become an accountant for the company. The problem was that she was a secretary and had never been to school for accounting. My company paid for her tuition and her books in exchange for her promise to not seek employment elsewhere for three years. She got her degree, got a promotion and a commensurate raise, and is now making almost double what she was paid as a secretary. She says she can't imagine ever wanting to work anywhere else.

If an employee of mine wants to make him or herself a more valuable asset to my company, I'm damn sure gonna' help them do that...

 

[Truth Detector]

That is why equal protection of our own at-will employment laws for unemployment compensation is much more economically efficient; we can utilize existing legal and physical infrastructure to solve for Capitalism's natural rate of unemployment through the "socialism of the Law".

Your comments are meaningless spam.

 

[Truth Detector]

Absolutely.

About ten years ago, one of the girls working in my accounting department (but not an accountant) decided she wanted to become an accountant for the company. The problem was that she was a secretary and had never been to school for accounting. My company paid for her tuition and her books in exchange for her promise to not seek employment elsewhere for three years. She got her degree, got a promotion and a commensurate raise, and is now making almost double what she was paid as a secretary. She says she can't imagine ever wanting to work anywhere else.

If an employee of mine wants to make him or herself a more valuable asset to my company, I'm damn sure gonna' help them do that...

 

[Ross Dolan]

No, I'm of the "I can't help everyone" school.

If you believe you can help everyone, you're an ignorant fool. You can't. The fact of the matter is that I have my own employees, who aren't afraid to come to work for their money, to be concerned with. They're not lazy fucks who believe that unemployment should be a career option. If a hard worker falls on hard times, sure, it's perfectly acceptable to help him because, if he's a hard worker, he will find another job. But those who prefer to sit on their asses? I can't imagine a single reason why anyone should go out of their way to help them.

Really. Can't even imagine a single reason? Well perhaps your imagination is broken. What about if the lazy person is just willing to work in order to exist...but does what lazy people often do...goes to work, but hurts production rather than helps it?

So what you are saying is that your imagination would require you to allow those people to work despite the cost to production...or to live out in the cold and starve...rather than help them?

If they're not going to try to help themselves, why in the fuck should I worry about doing it?

You shouldn't. You should do what you are doing...telling them that you've got yours...and they can go fuck themselves. Right? After all, what is wrong with that attitude?

Gotta ask you this, though. If you knew that certain people would actually hurt the production process...would you still allow them to work (or even insist that they work), despite the cost to production...or would you tell them to go starve or freeze to death?

You're goddamn right I did. I built two successful companies out of, pretty much, nothing. For the first three years, I was my only full-time employee. I was close to closing my doors half a dozen times. But that was never really an option for me. In 2002 I hired my first three full-time employees. I now employ 158 people and everyone of them enjoys being here...

Were you taught to work hard...and be self-sufficient by your parents?

Did anyone help you with your start-ups?

 

[Truth Detector]

Really. Can't even imagine a single reason? Well perhaps your imagination is broken. What about if the lazy person is just willing to work in order to exist...but does what lazy people often do...goes to work, but hurts production rather than helps it?

So what you are saying is that your imagination would require you to allow those people to work despite the cost to production...or to live out in the cold and starve...rather than help them?

You shouldn't. You should do what you are doing...telling them that you've got yours...and they can go fuck themselves. Right? After all, what is wrong with that attitude?

Gotta ask you this, though. If you knew that certain people would actually hurt the production process...would you still allow them to work (or even insist that they work), despite the cost to production...or would you tell them to go starve or freeze to death?

Were you taught to work hard...and be self-sufficient by your parents?

Did anyone help you with your start-ups?

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[Street Glider]

Really. Can't even imagine a single reason? Well perhaps your imagination is broken. What about if the lazy person is just willing to work in order to exist...but does what lazy people often do...goes to work, but hurts production rather than helps it?

If he hurts production he's let go.

Not exactly rocket science. Lazy or not, he has a choice to make. He can either get with the program and be productive, or he can go elsewhere and fend for himself...

So what you are saying is that your imagination would require you to allow those people to work despite the cost to production...or to live out in the cold and starve...rather than help them?

You ask that as if those are the only two options...

You shouldn't. You should do what you are doing...telling them that you've got yours...and they can go fuck themselves. Right? After all, what is wrong with that attitude?

If someone isn't doing their job, then they have no place in my company. I have plenty of people who enjoy working for me, and my HR Director has a filing cabinet filled with resumes of others who want to. If someone is determined to be a detriment to the health of my company, there's no place for them here...

Gotta ask you this, though. If you knew that certain people would actually hurt the production process...would you still allow them to work (or even insist that they work), despite the cost to production...or would you tell them to go starve or freeze to death?

Again, you stupidly assume as those are the only two options. Perhaps such a person would be more well-suited to a career in the custodial arts...

Were you taught to work hard...and be self-sufficient by your parents?

Yes...

Did anyone help you with your start-ups?

No. I was my only full-time employee for the first three years I was in business. I'd saved money while in the military, so I had a little chunk to use to get started. I took advice from successful people I admired, but I didn't take a dime from anyone...

 

[LV426]

We've heard for the last 20 years that automation was right around the corner...well, the pandemic was the best opportunity to speed that automation along but what happened instead? No automation, but a ton of business owners whining about not being able to find owrkers.

So why don't they just automate? That's been the threat this whole time, but it never came to fruition because automation isn't a panacea for the demand of higher wages.

If automation were seriously a threat, it would have happened over the last 2 years of this pandemic.

But it didn't.

So there is no way $15/hr wages are going to result in automation when companies can't even get people to work for them during a pandemic.

 

[LV426]

So, you want $15 to start as a cashier at Wal-Mart?

I rarely go to Wal-Mart, but the last time I was there (about three weeks ago) there were two cashiers on duty, and eight self-service lanes open.

It's a smart move by Wal-Mart. At $15 an hour, eight cashier lanes running 17 hours a day (my local Wal-Mart is open from 6am-11pm) costs Wal-Mart $2,040 per day to operate. In just 2-1/2 days a single kiosk can pay for itself (they run around five grand a pop). The kiosk then no longer needs anything; no training, no time off, no breaks, no health insurance, no paid holidays; nothing.

This is where retail is headed. If we assume ten kiosks per store and an otherwise hourly wage of $15 an hour per soon-to-be-out-of-work cashier, once these kiosks pay for themselves (which would happen in rather short order) Wal-Mart will save a total of $2,550 per day in hourly wages. That's $17,850 per week, or $928,200 a year, and that's per store. Wal-Mart has approximately 10,500 stores. If this approach was put in place in all of their stores, Wal_Mart would save $9,746,100,00 per year.

Many retailers will follow Wal-Mart's lead. If the kiosk idea ultimately fails, Wal-Mart is large enough to absorb the loss. If it succeeds, though, other retailers will start adopting the use of kiosks instead of employing cashier's. Even the largest grocery stores (which are also currently employing self-serve kiosks) will be able to operate with far fewer employees.

This is just an observation based on what I've seen locally here in northeast Florida. I have to believe that northeast Florida is not unique...

So let me get this straight...

We've heard for the last 20 years that automation is right around the corner; that people demanding higher wages will simple result in robots taking their jobs.

Well, the pandemic kinda shattered that myth, didn't it?

Because if automation were right around the corner, then all those workers who were fired during the pandemic would have been replaced by robots, which would mean ZERO business owners would be complaining about not being able to find workers.

So what happened? Why didn't any of these businesses automate during the two years we've been in a pandemic?

What are they waiting for? Where's the automation? Shouldn't it have happened by now?

Instead of loser business owners whining that no one wants to work, why don't they just automate since it's right around the corner??

Could it be that automation was a hollow, impotent, empty, fascist threat...that automating the workforce isn't going to happen in our lifetimes, and this is really just about poor business owners who can't operate their businesses for profit without relying on government welfare to bridge the gap between what they pay, and a livable wage??

Fucking losers and poseurs.

Automation is a lie...a scare tactic the business class can't back up with muscle.

An empty, impotent threat.

What's astonishing is that there are still people dumb enough to buy this horseshit.

 

[Street Glider]

So let me get this straight...

We've heard for the last 20 years that automation is right around the corner; that people demanding higher wages will simple result in robots taking their jobs.

Well, the pandemic kinda shattered that myth, didn't it?

Because if automation were right around the corner, then all those workers who were fired during the pandemic would have been replaced by robots, which would mean ZERO business owners would be complaining about not being able to find workers.

So what happened? Why didn't any of these businesses automate during the two years we've been in a pandemic?

What are they waiting for? Where's the automation? Shouldn't it have happened by now?

Instead of loser business owners whining that no one wants to work, why don't they just automate since it's right around the corner??

Could it be that automation was a hollow, impotent, empty, fascist threat...that automating the workforce isn't going to happen in our lifetimes, and this is really just about poor business owners who can't operate their businesses for profit without relying on government welfare to bridge the gap between what they pay, and a livable wage??

Fucking losers and poseurs.

Automation is a lie...a scare tactic the business class can't back up with muscle.

An empty, impotent threat.

What's astonishing is that there are still people dumb enough to buy this horseshit.

It's clear you didn't read my post.

Wal-Mart is moving in the direction of having no cashiers. Instead they will use self-serve kiosks. It's happening. It's not a threat, it's real. During the pandemic is when my local Wal-Mart installed half a dozen more kiosks in lieu of paying humans...

 

[LV426]

Wal-Mart is moving in the direction of having no cashiers.

Heard this 15 years ago and it didn't land then, either.

Also, Walmart had to up their wages TO $15/hr during this pandemic in order to find workers.

And the parent company of Walmart is most definitely NOT moving toward automation, they are, in fact, raising their wages to...wait for it...$15/hr:

Report on Tuesday said it will raise its minimum wage to $15 an hour from $11 an hour later this month. Chief Executive Kath McLay announced the move in an internal memo cited by multiple news reports. The pay increase will be effective from Sept. 25.
https://www.thestreet.com/investing...-reports#:~:text=Report on Tuesday said it,25.

Reading your garbage posts, this shouldn't have occurred...

So you say Walmart "is moving in the direction of having no cashiers", yet the parent company of Walmart is raising its starting wage at Sam's Club (owned by Walmart) to $15/hr.

But that should not have happened, right? Because "Walmart is moving in the direction of having no cashiers"....

Say, what year did Walmart say they would no longer have cashiers by? Oh they never said that? Ah...so...

It's happening. It's not a threat, it's real.

No, it's not happening...what's happening is that Walmart is raising their wages.

 

[Truth Detector]

We've heard for the last 20 years that automation was right around the corner...well, the pandemic was the best opportunity to speed that automation along but what happened instead? No automation, but a ton of business owners whining about not being able to find owrkers.

So why don't they just automate? That's been the threat this whole time, but it never came to fruition because automation isn't a panacea for the demand of higher wages.

If automation were seriously a threat, it would have happened over the last 2 years of this pandemic.

But it didn't.

So there is no way $15/hr wages are going to result in automation when companies can't even get people to work for them during a pandemic.

^Clueless halfwit doesn't know that automation has been occurring and continues to displace low skilled repetitious jobs.

clueless
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1: having or providing no clue
2: completely or hopelessly bewildered, unaware, ignorant, or foolish

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: a foolish or stupid person

 

[LV426]

It's clear you didn't read my post.

Wal-Mart is moving in the direction of having no cashiers. Instead they will use self-serve kiosks. It's happening. It's not a threat, it's real. During the pandemic is when my local Wal-Mart installed half a dozen more kiosks in lieu of paying humans...

You're under the mistaken assumption that businesses can use the threat of automation to prevent wage increases, when the fact of the matter is that automation isn't leverage for business owners since we've spent the last two years of this pandemic not automating and instead, forcing people to work in unsafe conditions.

Then you whine when no one wants to work in unsafe conditions, and you threaten to replace them with a robot.

But that's an empty threat because you could have replaced them with a robot at any point during the last two years of this pandemic.

The fact that didn't happen should clue you into the viability of this "automation" threat that will never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever materialize in our lifetimes.

 

[LV426]

Business owners 2000-2020: You better not ask for higher wages because we'll just replace you with a robot.

Business owners 2020-2022: NoONE WaNtS to WorK

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Business owners 2000-2020: You better not ask for higher wages because we'll just replace you with a robot.

Business owners 2020-2022: NoONE WaNtS to WorK

The robots do!

 

[danielpalos]

Solving simple poverty by using the social-ism of Government to correct for Capitalism's natural rate of unemployment is more cost effective than our current regime.

All laws of a general nature shall have uniform operation.

Why do right-wingers object to lowering the Cost of Government through more efficient public policies rather than the "brute economic force" of Tax Cut economics?

 

[danielpalos]

The robots do!

Better supply-side performance with more automation?

 

[Ross Dolan]

If he hurts production he's let go.

Right. And if he is not able to be productive elsewhere...he starves or freezes to death. Fuck him, right?

Not exactly rocket science. Lazy or not, he has a choice to make. He can either get with the program and be productive, or he can go elsewhere and fend for himself...

Or the other option mentioned above.

More to come.