Anyone noticed how the election lies have evolved?

With the way US elections are now held, it is possible to commit mass voter fraud and not get caught.

Two things are needed to do this: Time and opportunity.

Time is created by our having an election 'season' rather than an election day. Balloting with mail-in ballots, early voting, and such turns elections into a month plus long period. That gives someone bent on mass fraud lots of time to perpetrate it.

Opportunity is created by lax or missing verification standards (eg., no voter ID, same day registration, etc.), using mail-in ballots, and using mass collection points that have no system of verification (drop boxes, ballot harvesting). The result is that a fraudster or fraud ring can sign up thousands of people to vote somewhere, bus in people if necessary, and order masses of supposedly valid mail-in ballots sent to a single address like a nursing home, homeless shelter, or other place of mass housing.
The fraudster might even use a computer generated signature for each person signed up. The ballots are likely to never go to that person either. Instead an operative at that address, like a staff member, collects the ballots as they arrive and then delivers them to the fraudster to fill out and return. Signatures match since the person signed up used a computer generated signature and the verification system used a computer scanning matching system.
Ballot harvesters use similar methods to collect numerous ballots and centralize them.

These ballots once filled out, are returned via a drop box or other mass mailing method for counting.

All of this takes weeks to accomplish, thus why you need a voting season rather than an election day. The worst part is, that it's nearly undetectable, if not undetectable.
 
Matt Dillon said:
When they allegedly "stop counting" and the tallies virtually stop for Trump and start going up by the truckloads for Biden for well over 2 weeks after election day, that's suspect as can be.
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Again - no evidence. You're just repeating myths that have been created. They didn't "stop counting at midnight!"

Big cities and mail-in get counted last. In fact, if you read coverage up TO election day, election watchers were predicting exactly what happened. They said Trump would take big leads, but it would tighten as urban and mail-in were counted.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
With the way US elections are now held, it is possible to commit mass voter fraud and not get caught.

Two things are needed to do this: Time and opportunity.

Time is created by our having an election 'season' rather than an election day. Balloting with mail-in ballots, early voting, and such turns elections into a month plus long period. That gives someone bent on mass fraud lots of time to perpetrate it.

Opportunity is created by lax or missing verification standards (eg., no voter ID, same day registration, etc.), using mail-in ballots, and using mass collection points that have no system of verification (drop boxes, ballot harvesting). The result is that a fraudster or fraud ring can sign up thousands of people to vote somewhere, bus in people if necessary, and order masses of supposedly valid mail-in ballots sent to a single address like a nursing home, homeless shelter, or other place of mass housing.
The fraudster might even use a computer generated signature for each person signed up. The ballots are likely to never go to that person either. Instead an operative at that address, like a staff member, collects the ballots as they arrive and then delivers them to the fraudster to fill out and return. Signatures match since the person signed up used a computer generated signature and the verification system used a computer scanning matching system.
Ballot harvesters use similar methods to collect numerous ballots and centralize them.

These ballots once filled out, are returned via a drop box or other mass mailing method for counting.

All of this takes weeks to accomplish, thus why you need a voting season rather than an election day. The worst part is, that it's nearly undetectable, if not undetectable.
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A lot of Democrat ballots had 20-30 people at the same address. I haven't heard of that happening with Republicans.
 
Matt Dillon said:
No one was allowed to investigate any of that stuff. They burned down a warehouse full of them in GA, I think.
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It was all investigated--some 2-3 times. Even the Cyber Ninjas could not find any bamboo among the ballots and reached the same number of votes as the original count.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
With the way US elections are now held, it is possible to commit mass voter fraud and not get caught.

Two things are needed to do this: Time and opportunity.

Time is created by our having an election 'season' rather than an election day. Balloting with mail-in ballots, early voting, and such turns elections into a month plus long period. That gives someone bent on mass fraud lots of time to perpetrate it.

Opportunity is created by lax or missing verification standards (eg., no voter ID, same day registration, etc.), using mail-in ballots, and using mass collection points that have no system of verification (drop boxes, ballot harvesting). The result is that a fraudster or fraud ring can sign up thousands of people to vote somewhere, bus in people if necessary, and order masses of supposedly valid mail-in ballots sent to a single address like a nursing home, homeless shelter, or other place of mass housing.
The fraudster might even use a computer generated signature for each person signed up. The ballots are likely to never go to that person either. Instead an operative at that address, like a staff member, collects the ballots as they arrive and then delivers them to the fraudster to fill out and return. Signatures match since the person signed up used a computer generated signature and the verification system used a computer scanning matching system.
Ballot harvesters use similar methods to collect numerous ballots and centralize them.

These ballots once filled out, are returned via a drop box or other mass mailing method for counting.

All of this takes weeks to accomplish, thus why you need a voting season rather than an election day. The worst part is, that it's nearly undetectable, if not undetectable.
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How many people would you estimate would need to be involved to swing at least 6 states?
 
BartenderElite said:
No, of course not. Righties have latched on to EVERY single conspiracy theory & false story that appears on the internet. And there are so many of them.

From the outside looking in, it's pure desperation.
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and yet its your ilk who keeps bringing it up...
isnt that curious ?
 
BartenderElite said:
Well, that's just it. NO ONE would have questioned the election if Trump didn't say it was rigged.

And Trump is a pathological liar, who claimed fraud in 2016 and said 2012 was a sham.
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I have never seen our nation this fucked up before. Shame on Biden and Garland for not indicting Trump.
 
Matt Dillon said:
Would that alone be enough to get together 81 million votes? I don't think it was.

That's why they had to do it some more for 2+ weeks after the election and probably employ some other methods, too.

All of that type of cheating wasn't enough to win at the regular time.
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They didn't need do all 81 million votes. Even a few million nationwide in critical races where the vote was close would be enough. If you had say 30 to 45 days prior to the election as some states allow, you have all the time you need. Even 15 to 21 days is sufficient.
So, you dump a quantity of ballots early on to the amount you think is necessary to rig the election. You hold additional ballots for 'just in case.' Those you drop on election day if things aren't going as planned to make up the shortage and flip the outcome.

https://www.ncsl.org/research/elections-and-campaigns/early-voting-in-state-elections.aspx

Mass mail-in voting is rife for fraud, and the Democrats desperately want to enshrine the worst of that into law.
 
Matt Dillon said:
When they allegedly "stop counting" and the tallies virtually stop for Trump and start going up by the truckloads for Biden for well over 2 weeks after election day, that's suspect as can be.
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That never occurred. You are listening to others rather than checking out the facts yourself from reliable sources.
 
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