Please explain/justify this

T. A. Gardner said:
Many more progressive schools are already doing that. The aforementioned The 1619 Project is a perfect example. It is used in thousands of schools across the US as a history text even after being publicly discredited as fiction.
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What progressive schools?
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Because it doesn't. The book is an "historical novel" based loosely on the author's family experiences in an internment camp. It is on the order of The 1619 Project. That's the problem with it. Now, if it were added as a fictional book to a school library, I see no problem with it. Adding it as historical narrative or some historically accurate account should be reason to reject it same as with the The 1619 Project.
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It was being used in an English class.

What does, "on the order of the 1619 project" even mean? A book about internment camps is likely going to be of interest for many students. It is relevant and part of our history.

Some of our history is amazing, some sucks. If these right wing extremist parents are going to challenge every book about history that isn't positive that is a joke.

The only way we will ever achieve our ideals and become a more perfect union is to understand what we got wrong.

This blind attack on a novel is just that, blind. It is ignorance and lazy. 10th graders need something to think about or they will disengage. If you put a bunch of America is perfect texts in front of them they will disengage and they will know it is BS and likely end up hating this country because they won't trust this country.

If parents really want a voice, ask for a copy of the book and read/discuss it with your child. Stop being lazy and ignorant.
 
Whythink said:
It was being used in an English class.

What does, "on the order of the 1619 project" even mean? A book about internment camps is likely going to be of interest for many students. It is relevant and part of our history.

Some of our history is amazing, some sucks. If these right wing extremist parents are going to challenge every book about history that isn't positive that is a joke.

The only way we will ever achieve our ideals and become a more perfect union is to understand what we got wrong.

This blind attack on a novel is just that, blind. It is ignorance and lazy. 10th graders need something to think about or they will disengage. If you put a bunch of America is perfect texts in front of them they will disengage and they will know it is BS and likely end up hating this country because they won't trust this country.

If parents really want a voice, ask for a copy of the book and read/discuss it with your child. Stop being lazy and ignorant.
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As a fictional novel, that's fine. The Japanese internment was a poor thing in US history. Of course, the internment of Americans of German and Italian origins is overlooked.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internment_of_German_Americans
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inter...mericans and internment of Japanese Americans.

I wonder why that is? No, I don't but I thought I'd toss it in.

Also note, that Japanese Americans that didn't live on the West Coast (eg., in California) weren't interned.

As a minor footnote to history, Japanese diplomats and other officials who had immunity and were to be repatriated to Japan were held here until that happened:

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That's the Triangle T guest ranch in Dragoon Arizona. The location was selected by the government for its remoteness, proximity to a US Army base (Fort Huachuca AZ), and being next to a rail line. As you can see, it's still in operation today and you can stay in a cabin where the Japanese diplomats were held some 80 years ago.

Oh, by the by...

The Buddhist temple I attend was founded in Phoenix by Japanese-Americans after being released from internment camps here in Arizona.
 
AProudLefty said:
Sure. It ought be fun.
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Chloe Hebert and Annabeth Edens, 9th-grade social studies educators from the Greater Crossings High School Network team in Kentucky.
Christy Stanley, Director of Humanities with the Chapel Hill-Carrboro City Schools district in North Carolina. The CHCCS team created and implemented the 8th Grade social studies unit.
Tiara Mintz, Middle and high schools social studies educator from the Friendship Public Charter School team in Washington, D.C.
Kristian Ogungbemi, 12th-grade Global Leadership teacher from the Kensington Health Sciences Humanities Network team in Pennsylvania.
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https://www.socialstudies.org/professional-learning/1619-project-middle-high-school-social-studies

Easy-peasy. Leftists are proud of their profound stupidity.
 
archives said:
Bit picky, but I believe what they feel is missing is why the Government interned Japanese Americans, although wrong, it is understandable given the paranoia of the day. Mistake is that it is an English class, introduced for the literary value, and as personal narrative, the whole history is studied in the History class

I’ll top your offering:

“Texas educators' group suggests slavery be taught as 'involuntary relocation' to 2nd graders ”
https://www.businessinsider.com/tex...ry-be-taught-as-involuntary-relocation-2022-7
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Bull-fucking-shit!

No mass incarceration and internment of Americans of German, Italian decent. No rounding up and detaining/questioning Americans of Hungary, Romania, Bulgaria, Slovakia, and Croatia origin or decent.

Racism was the basis...plain and simple. There is no other "justification".
 
AProudLefty said:
No you didn't. You listed examples of educators using the 1619 project and declared the schools to be progressive, whatever that means.
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Your reducto ad absurdum fallacy notwithstanding:

VALUES AND BELIEFS
The Chapel Hill-Carrboro City School District has a long-standing awareness of the importance of creating an equitable learning environment for all students and staff and developing collaborative partnerships with families and stakeholders that represent our diverse community. The Office of Equity and Engagement will work to eliminate inequities by disrupting systems that have historically marginalized students through student empowerment and district support.
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https://www.chccs.org/domain/2623#calendar14581/20220701/month

Another example is the Little Village Social Justice High School in Lawndale, part of the Chicago public school system.

https://sj.lvlhs.org/
https://sj.lvlhs.org/apps/pages/index.jsp?uREC_ID=345915&type=d
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Your reducto ad absurdum fallacy notwithstanding:


https://www.chccs.org/domain/2623#calendar14581/20220701/month

Another example is the Little Village Social Justice High School in Lawndale, part of the Chicago public school system.

https://sj.lvlhs.org/
https://sj.lvlhs.org/apps/pages/index.jsp?uREC_ID=345915&type=d
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And if the parents get off their butts and get involved (PTA, meetings, etc.), they can determine what is or isn't going to be taught and how in conjunction with state and federal laws/mandates.

So what's your point in posting this in relation to the OP?
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Your reducto ad absurdum fallacy notwithstanding:

VALUES AND BELIEFS
The Chapel Hill-Carrboro City School District has a long-standing awareness of the importance of creating an equitable learning environment for all students and staff and developing collaborative partnerships with families and stakeholders that represent our diverse community. The Office of Equity and Engagement will work to eliminate inequities by disrupting systems that have historically marginalized students through student empowerment and district support.
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That's a bad thing?

Another example is the Little Village Social Justice High School in Lawndale, part of the Chicago public school system.

https://sj.lvlhs.org/
https://sj.lvlhs.org/apps/pages/index.jsp?uREC_ID=345915&type=d
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So social justice is a bad thing? I just don't get you. What do you want for schools?
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Many more progressive schools are already doing that. The aforementioned The 1619 Project is a perfect example. It is used in thousands of schools across the US as a history text even after being publicly discredited as fiction.
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The Fight Over the 1619 Project Is Not About the Facts
A dispute between a small group of scholars and the authors of The New York Times Magazine’s issue on slavery represents a fundamental disagreement over the trajectory of American society.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/12/historians-clash-1619-project/604093/
 
Taichiliberal said:
And if the parents get off their butts and get involved (PTA, meetings, etc.), they can determine what is or isn't going to be taught and how in conjunction with state and federal laws/mandates.

So what's your point in posting this in relation to the OP?
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That sometimes, not using a particular book or text is justified, even to the point of banning it. That doesn't mean it should be entirely banned, just that in certain settings--like education--it has no merit or value and thus should be trashed for that purpose.
 
Taichiliberal said:

The Fight Over the 1619 Project Is Not About the Facts
A dispute between a small group of scholars and the authors of The New York Times Magazine’s issue on slavery represents a fundamental disagreement over the trajectory of American society.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/12/historians-clash-1619-project/604093/
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The 1619 Project is often factually wrong. There's no arguing that.

https://www.aier.org/article/fact-checking-the-1619-project-and-its-critics/

Even a radical Leftist Socialist site points out the factual errors that are rife within The 1619 Project

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2019/12/28/nytr-d28.html

https://historynewsnetwork.org/article/174140

1619 Project Fact-Checker Says The New York Times Ignored Her Objections
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https://reason.com/2020/03/06/1619-project-fact-checker-nikole-hannah-jones-leslie-harris/
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
And if the parents get off their butts and get involved (PTA, meetings, etc.), they can determine what is or isn't going to be taught and how in conjunction with state and federal laws/mandates.

So what's your point in posting this in relation to the OP?
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That sometimes, not using a particular book or text is justified, even to the point of banning it. That doesn't mean it should be entirely banned, just that in certain settings--like education--it has no merit or value and thus should be trashed for that purpose.
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Ahhh, but YOU HAVEN'T PROVED ANY JUSTIFICATION for the actions described in the OP, much less your attempt at equivocation to the grumblings over the 1619 Project.

And your "opinion" is not the equivalent of a fact when you assert that the OP is referring to something of "no merit or value".... nor can you say so regarding the the 1619 Project, as I demonstrate in a link in another post.
 
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