Librtlover
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What exactly does obama's popular and electoral votes have to do with me saying that the Fowl Woman is wrong in calling obama a black person?
White people set to become minority in US by 2050 - 13 years before Britain
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cawacko
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The discussion over Obama (proxy for any bi-racial person) being black reminds of this SF Chronicle article from a couple of weeks ago.Yet you have often declared that President Obama is not Black. Why do you think you have the right to make such a statement of opinion as though it is fact? Now run along and post some more in "Ebonics," Kleaglette. Scoot!
Lowell High School is the top public high school in San Francisco. You have to test to get into. The school is only 20% or so white, but people have been unhappy because it has a low number of black and brown kids (it's a majority Asian).
In this article they separate bi-racial kids from black kids. So Obama (or my nieces and nephew) would not be considered black by their standards.
The reality is in America today we are seeing many more bi-racial kids of various backgrounds, not just black and white. But historically of course we have usually identified mixed black and white kids as black. School data does it separately it seems.
Lowell High has spent years recruiting Black students. Just 7 plan to enroll as freshmen this fall
Efforts to enroll more Black students at San Francisco’s premier public high school have yet to pay off, with no more than seven African American students joining the nearly 700 freshmen expected in the fall.
Lowell High School has faced criticism for its lack of diversity for decades, with its academically competitive admissions process leading to a disproportionately Asian American and white enrollment. Students have long complained of racially charged incidents as well as a lack of Black teachers.
How to address the issue and whether to change the admissions process from a merit system to a traditional lottery is perhaps one of the school district’s most contentious debates.
For years district officials have offered application help, peer support and incentives to encourage more Black, as well as brown, students to consider attending Lowell, which generally requires top grades in middle school and high standardized test scores.
That includes guaranteed admission to Lowell for students who attend Willie Brown Jr. Middle School, as long as they meet the minimum academic admission requirements, a “golden ticket” in place since 2014. The Bayview neighborhood school has historically enrolled a disproportionate number of the district’s Black and brown students.
This year, 52 Black students applied to Lowell and 13 got in. Four of the 13 were assigned to another district high school they ranked higher for the fall enrollment process, and seven have said they plan to go to Lowell.
Overall, 2.1% of Lowell’s 2,589 students this year identify as Black compared with 7% district-wide while 46.1% of the school’s students are Asian American (26.5% district-wide), 15.3% are white (12.1% district-wide) and 15.3% are Hispanic or Latino (35.3% district-wide).
Another 10.4% identify as two or more races, which include some who identify as African American and other races or ethnicities, district officials said.
Increasing that number isn’t an easy lift. It requires deciphering the needs of individual students, said Bobby Pope, partnerships manager of the district’s African American Achievement and Leadership Initiative.
“The numbers are one thing,” he said, “but the story that goes with the numbers is really how you get a clear picture of what was happening.”
Mentors or tutors are provided for middle school students who have faced significant challenges — poverty, homelessness, trauma, foster care, family issues, immigrant backstories — which has affected learning.
But it’s also about challenging the preconceived ideas Black students have about Lowell and themselves. Many are choosing not to go because they’ve heard about the lack of diversity, the racial issues or the stereotypes they could face at an academically rigorous school.
Senior Ivana Carroll, who is in a leadership role with Lowell’s Black Student Union, wanted to go to Lowell, mostly because it was her parents’ dream school.
“For me, personally, I didn’t go through heavy racism here,” she said, adding that some students would make racially tinged jokes or say inappropriate things. “But I don’t really take it to heart … if somebody’s choosing to just be ignorant, then I’m not going to stress on that.”
That’s part of the answer in getting more Black students to Lowell, Pope said.
“The goal is to … give them a strong sense of self and identity of who they are,” he said.
But it’s also critical to refine the culture and environment, “to make it safer, improve the equity, reduce the racism that is all in the world that we are.”
The school has pushed Lowell student and alumni tutors into middle schools while also sending out Black and Latino/Hispanic students to school sites to do presentations about their experiences, said Lowell High Principal Jan Bautista.
She noted that 66% of the nearly 100 Black and mixed-race Black students at the school are on the honor roll.
“It’s flipping that narrative of African American students’ failure rates and all that,” she said. “Let’s look at the successes and what’s going well and what is working well. Because that’s where you find the power, is building on those successes and those strengths of students.”
The idea is to defeat the message “that students aren’t welcome here and it’s too hard,” she said.
Yet that thinking doesn’t just plague potential students.
Kayden Buckett said he stood out amid the nearly 700 freshmen when he started at Lowell in the fall — a tall teen and one of 17 Black students in his class.
“It was weird, coming from a mostly black and Hispanic (middle) school,” he said. “It was a hard transition, like walking in class, you don’t see people like me in the hall. I just automatically think these people don’t like me, they don’t see someone like me here.”
His grades plummeted. He wanted to transfer. His counselors encouraged him to stay. For now.
Freshman Legacy Bean, who attended the diverse Willie Brown Jr. Middle School, chose Lowell for the opportunities it would give him. But when he arrived in the fall, he found it presented more of a culture shock than he expected — few Black peers and other classmates nonchalantly using the racial epithet “N—.”
“Many people would think it’s a joke when they don’t really know the true history behind it,” he said, “even when I would explain it to them.”
He too has thought about leaving. Based on the community environment, he would probably recommend someone like him to choose another school.
“But opportunity wise, I’d say to come here for sure,” Legacy said.
In the past decade, the Black freshmen class at Lowell has ranged from 1% to a high of 2.5% this year — with the exception of the two years the school switched to a lottery admissions during the pandemic.
Given the lack of test scores and widespread impact on grading, the admission process for the fall of 2022 and 2023 was not based on merit, but rather the same mostly random process used at the other large high schools in the district.
During those years, nearly 4% of Lowell’s ninth graders were Black. While the school board at the time considered making the change permanent, given the increase in diversity, the ensuing uproar resulted in the recall of three board members and the return to merit admissions.
This month, the second lottery class will graduate, returning the school to a fully merit-based study body this fall.
It’s possible the 2026-27 freshmen class will have the smallest proportion of Black students in recent memory, although district officials note there were also 34 mixed-race applicants for the upcoming fall semester who identified as Black Hispanic or two or more races with Black as one, officials said. Of those students, 16 plan to attend Lowell in the fall.
It’s unclear whether Kayden will be there to welcome them.
With his freshman year winding down, he said how he feels about being at Lowell is “kind of” better, “but it’s kind of still the same.”
The same nagging thought continues to plague him.
“I feel like I don’t belong here,” he said.
Still, he “might not” transfer at the end of the year because at Lowell there’s “good learning, a good education,” he said.
Kayden wants the word to get out that there are Black students at Lowell.
“We want them to join us,” he said. “They get a better education, we get more Black students, right?”
Lowell High has spent years recruiting Black students. Just 7 plan to enroll as freshmen this fall
District officials have encouraged more Black and brown students to consider attending Lowell, which generally requires top grades in middle school and high standardized test scores.
www.sfchronicle.com
CasualLurker
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You seem giddy about it.
Nazis set the Standard by who's white and who isn't!
MAGA follows that "religiously"!
Librtlover
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Totally wrong. Leftists-Dems have completely degraded white people with their DEI, WOKE, BLM Marxist training in our schools and in our communities.
Taichiliberal
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Because folk of your mindset in the maga media trumpeted the same guff you did during the 2008 and 2012 campaign in some bizarre effort to discredit the man.
It didn't work, as the American people told YOU it didn't matter ... twice.
What scares people of all races, creeds and color is that concept of racial, ethnic and even sexual identity is society is changing ... sometimes slowly, sometimes in spasms. That means who you hate and why may become archaic or irrelevant on certain levels. Which will eventually result in sheet wearing schmucks like you being placed in the dust bin of history.
Oh, and let us know when you're ready to concede a point re: post #31.
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Taichiliberal
Shaken, not stirred!
All slogans, buzzwords, accusations with no valid, documented facts to back you up ... combined eith a denial of history and reality. (i.e. the Southern Strategy).
Post #31 just burns your sheet!
Taichiliberal
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No, just entertained by the hysteria of the maga/alt-right folk.You seem giddy about it.
Nomad
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Well, as I said in a subsequent post in this thread, it all depends on one's reason for "reporting" on the subject.
We all know that a certain couple of trumpers here revel in pointing out every negative thing they can find regarding non-white minorities, under the guise of "reporting".
But if the same thing is done about whites by a minority member or one in sympathy with them for the same reason, it merits being pointed out as well.
I'm not saying that's what was done, just making a point.
At any rate, it's not accurate to say whites are on the verge of becoming a minority unless you lump all non-whites together as one group, which is not correct either.
The point being that whites will remain the largest single ethnicity in the US for decades to come.
I'm not cheering it or decrying it.
Just stating what I see as a fact.
Nomad
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Hey non-genius...
1) no reason to get snotty about it, though I know that for you extreme leftists, that's a hard reach.
2) I don't know who these "people in the news" are because I don't recall having seen or heard them doing what you describe.
But I'm sure different people do such things for their own different reasons.
Sounds like meaningless gibberish.
Sounded to me like Guno, who posts on this same subject fairly regularly, was rubbing it in white people's faces.
Being white myself, I naturally felt I should offer a different perspective.
Nomad
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What's fun to watch is extremists who try to strike a pose of superiority, prove that they are unable to carry on a civilized discussion.
As soon as someone says something that upsets your psychological comfort zone of cultural/social/political superiority, you lash out and dive head first into the mud rasslin' pit like those you try to act superior to.
At any rate, and whether your feelings can handle it or not, demographically whites will continue to maintain a high enough majority to remain the largest single ethnic group in the country for decades, even if they drop below 50% of the total population.
Taichiliberal
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The first 3 words of your second paragraph says it all.
Do some honest research as to efforts by "conservatives" in read states to alter information in school curriculum and libraries regarding the Civil Rights movement, slavery, Jim Crow laws. Efforts to incorporate garbage by Praeger University (a non-accredited joke) ias legitimate references in schools. The gerry-mandering mania in red states to limit or eliminate black voting power, the gutting of Civil Rights laws. I could go on, the Apartheid Punk Musk expresses it best.
The OP is just a gentle reminder that in the near future change will come that will factually render the blather of our resident maga/alt-right rabble absurd. Seems you're just as triggered as they are, as it doesn't bother Owl but sure as hell bothers you.
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Jake Starkey
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What an idiotic statement.
Taichiliberal
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Man, that was a great display of projection and insipidly stubborn parroting of previously addressed points.
Amazing how triggered you are by a simple statement of statistical projections. Carry on.
Nomad
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Which post/words?
Again, you need to be more specific.
None of that has anything to do with anything I/we've been talking about.
All I've said is that demographically, whites will remain the largest single ethnic group in the US for a long time.
You're trying to turn it into an ideological argument.
What you seem to be doing here, is ignoring the fact that about half of the white race, the demise of which you're cheering about, do not share those maga/alt-right views you seem to ascribe to us all
Also, people should refrain from trying to predict the future.
Rarely ever works out.
Guno צְבִי
We fight, We win, Am Yisrael Chai
The magnitude of the population changes in the coming years could be some of the biggest and most profound in American history.
Data released by the Census Bureau suggests profound demographic changes ahead for the United States as the population ages and other longtime drivers of growth shift.
Much of this is simply the product of the fact that Americans of childbearing age are much more diverse than older cohorts that are beginning to die in large numbers.
Here are four takeaways from the data.........
www.brennancenter.org
Data released by the Census Bureau suggests profound demographic changes ahead for the United States as the population ages and other longtime drivers of growth shift.
The nation’s growing diversity is likely to accelerate.
The Census Bureau won’t release updated data on race and ethnicity until this summer, but data from last year’s release, covering the period between July 1, 2023, and July 1, 2024, suggests that almost all of the country’s growth will have come once again from communities of color.Much of this is simply the product of the fact that Americans of childbearing age are much more diverse than older cohorts that are beginning to die in large numbers.
Here are four takeaways from the data.........
Census Data Highlights a Changing Nation
The magnitude of the population changes in the coming years could be some of the biggest and most profound in American history.
Nomad
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Aaaaaaaaaand as usual, he falls apart then resorts to deflection and obfuscation.
Moi?
Kindly ask your pot to STFU about my kettle.
Taichiliberal
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1. Don't stall by playing dumb. Each response is shown with a link to the post it's responding to.
2. You seem to think that repeating your opinions and versions of reality is a logical tactic to prove your point. The chronology of the posts shows otherwise.
Its a coming change in the social dynamic that disturbs many. That you are unaware or ignore such is irrelevant.
Taichiliberal
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As the chronology of the posts shows, Nomad prefers his own version of reality. Fortunately, the objective reader sees his folly. I leave him to it.
Taichiliberal
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I wonder how the anti-DEI talking points by maga/alt-right fabble will change by then?The magnitude of the population changes in the coming years could be some of the biggest and most profound in American history.
Data released by the Census Bureau suggests profound demographic changes ahead for the United States as the population ages and other longtime drivers of growth shift.
The nation’s growing diversity is likely to accelerate.
The Census Bureau won’t release updated data on race and ethnicity until this summer, but data from last year’s release, covering the period between July 1, 2023, and July 1, 2024, suggests that almost all of the country’s growth will have come once again from communities of color.
Much of this is simply the product of the fact that Americans of childbearing age are much more diverse than older cohorts that are beginning to die in large numbers.
Here are four takeaways from the data.........
Census Data Highlights a Changing Nation
The magnitude of the population changes in the coming years could be some of the biggest and most profound in American history.
