Archaeology of the New Testament

YOU created the 'flaws' you claim.
I had no part in designing the human body, therefore it would be impossible for me to create the flaws.

However, if Ford Motor Company came out with a car that had the steering wheel inside the engine compartment, not the cabin where the driver sits, I could accurately label that a flaw because I know that Ford knows better and has produced cars with the steering wheel in the correct location.

I don't deny them. YOU created them.
I had no part in designing the human body.

Derp.
Derp.
 
I had no part in designing the human body, therefore it would be impossible for me to create the flaws.
No one said you did. YOU created the 'flaws'.
It must really suck to hate yourself so much.
However, if Ford Motor Company came out with a car that had the steering wheel inside the engine compartment, not the cabin where the driver sits, I could accurately label that a flaw because I know that Ford knows better and has produced cars with the steering wheel in the correct location.
Non-sequitur fallacy. Attempted proof by contrivance.
I had no part in designing the human body.
Never said you did. YOU created the 'flaws'.
Derp.
Derp.
Try to keep context.
 
No one said you did. YOU created the 'flaws'.
It must really suck to hate yourself so much.

Non-sequitur fallacy. Attempted proof by contrivance.

Never said you did. YOU created the 'flaws'.

Try to keep context.
I observed the flaws in the human body, just as I would observe the flaw with Ford's car if they were to design one with the steering wheel in the engine compartment.

Of course, Ford would never design a car that way because, like @Cypress' and your creator, they know better.

This isn't rocket science. You are trying to hard.
 
What I see from Cypress is you see Intelligent design of the Universe.
You just haven't found the Connection between the creation of the universe and the Man on the cross!
What is that connection other that total mass Prole Control?

Basic observations of how our world really functions is thrown under the bus for some Media/biblical Image of what they up there want us all to be down here....Turning the other cheek....Whipped and ass-Fucked ad Infinitum for some greater abstract good that always benefits those few who control the seething masses and write their cheesey script...

I say NO! and fuck those a-holes trying to push this lame old narrative from even before the Ancient Egyptian Ruling class's performance....

Things get difficult when we get down to social Insect Politics imo
 
I observed the flaws in the human body, just as I would observe the flaw with Ford's car if they were to design one with the steering wheel in the engine compartment.

Of course, Ford would never design a car that way because, like @Cypress' and your creator, they know better.

This isn't rocket science. You are trying to hard.
The word 'flawed' is totally subjective, it is not scientific, it is not quantifiable, and it's a word that can be molded to suit anyone's agenda.

What is genuinely marvelous and unfathomable are the precise and quantifiable scientific principles, laws, and universal physical constants which all converge at the edge of a razor blade to make complex atomic matter and the universe possible.
 
What is that connection other that total mass Prole Control?

Basic observations of how our world really functions is thrown under the bus for some Media/biblical Image of what they up there want us all to be down here....Turning the other cheek....Whipped and ass-Fucked ad Infinitum for some greater abstract good that always benefits those few who control the seething masses and write their cheesey script...

I say NO! and fuck those a-holes trying to push this lame old narrative from even before the Ancient Egyptian Ruling class's performance....

Things get difficult when we get down to social Insect Politics imo
The connection is! "Before Abraham I AM"!R (9).jpeg
 
"Flaw" is a word with a definition.
Not a scientific definition. It's used by you arbitrarily and subjectively, and without any way to objectively quantify it.

In contrast, my comments are based on precise scientific principles which are expressed in the pure logic of mathematics.

Even if everyone was to agree with you that the human body is flawed, that is in no way shape or form a proof that atheism is true, or that the universe was caused by purely inanimate and irrational causes.
 
Already did.
Nope. You never did.

Until Zenmode read an article by some atheist ...
Pivot, Misdirection, EVASION. We're not talking about ZenMode; we are talking about his question. Answer his question, and throw in an explanation of how your deity came to exist so that your other arguments can be accepted rather than be summarily dismissed.

..., he didn't actually know there was anything seriously wrong.
You never stop pretending you are omniscient and omnipotent, pretending to declare what other people know or knew.

[time-wasting crap omitted]
1. What is your religion's rationale for your deity creating a random dust cloud and requiring you to refer to it as "well ordered"?
-1a. Does your religion have parents referring to their children's messy rooms as "well ordered" because the laws of physics apply?
2. What is your religion's rationale for how your deity came into existence?
3. What is your religion's rationale for why your deity banished all of humanity to the 0.000001% of the 0.000001% of the 0.000001% of the 0.000001% of the 0.000001% of the 0.000001% of the 0.000001% of the 0.000001% of the 0.000001% of the 0.000001% of the 0.000001% of the 0.000001% of the 0.000001% of the 0.000001% of the 0.000001% of the 0.000001% of the universe, and making the remaining 99.99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999% of the universe totally hostile to terrestrial life?
4. What is your religion's rationale for your deity creating physics (and physical constraints) such that humanity can never possibly reach any other habitable place? i.e. What is your religion's rationale for creating physics that keep us as prisoners and your deity as our jailer? What is your religion's rationale for why we must be held in a stehzelle until we become extinct?




[*-QUESTIONS_FOR_CYPRESS*]
 
Not a scientific definition. It's used by you arbitrarily and subjectively, and without any way to objectively quantify it.

In contrast, my comments are based on precise scientific principles which are expressed in the pure logic of mathematics.

Even if everyone was to agree with you that the human body is flawed, that is in no way shape or form a proof that atheism is true, or that the universe was caused by purely inanimate and irrational causes.

Not a scientific definition. It's used by you arbitrarily and subjectively, and without any way to objectively quantify it.

In contrast, my comments are based on precise scientific principles which are expressed in the pure logic of mathematics.

Even if everyone was to agree with you that the human body is flawed, that is in no way shape or form a proof that atheism is true, or that the universe was caused by purely inanimate and irrational causes.
I, and other posters, have asked you the same question, kn about 5 different ways, and each time you've declined to answer, for reasons that are obvious.

You want to believe something and will manipulate reality, in any way necessary, to continue believing it.
 
Not a scientific definition.
There is no such thing as a "scientific" definition. Your attempt at another "No True Scotsman" fallacy was really lame. Learn what science is.

It's used by you arbitrarily and subjectively, and without any way to objectively quantify it.
Epic failure on your part. Dial it back. Answer his question. "Flaw" means "imperfection", so anything with a flaw is imperfect, and you can apply the engineering "don't care" to it.

Now answer the question.

In contrast, my comments are based on precise scientific principles ...
Nope. You don't even know what science is. Science doesn't have principles. Science has unfalsifiable models. You should learn what science is, unless you are too stupid to do so, of course.

which are expressed in the pure logic of mathematics.
You haven't ever expressed anything purely in mathematics.

Even if everyone was to agree with you that the human body is flawed,
Correct grammar is "Even if everyone were to agree with you ..."

I think everyone agrees that human anatomy and human physiology have identifiable flaws and limitations and areas for improvement. Do you know of anyone who is unaware of such?

that is in no way shape or form a proof that atheism is true,
This is deliberate dishonesty on your part. You know this to be a fallacy, and yet you fall back upon it as a pivot whenever you are desperate.

A lack of belief is a lack of truth value, which necessarily means a lack of a truth value of TRUE, ... which says absolutely nothing.

or that my deity was caused by purely inanimate and irrational causes.
You need to answer for this position of yours.
 
Answer his question!!! :cuss:
Already did.
But more importantly I am going to treat statements about the universe being unorganized, random, and flawed as bad faith statements, because they are either contradicted by science, or they are completely subjective and based on human opinion and prejudice.
and throw in an explanation of how your deity came to exist!
You've already asked this before and I've answered it before.
 
'Flawed' is a subjective term with no scientific basis, and completely subject to human opinion and prejudice.

You think the Obama presidency was fatally 'flawed'. I do not.
Flaw/flawed is a word with a meaning and is being used correctly in this situation.

(For the 10th + time) Why would an all-knowing creator/god, with such attention to detail that it consciously designs matter down to the microscopic level, design the universe, Earth and man so poorly when it was ALL created specifically so the creator/god could have a relationship with the man?
 
No. Einstein was essentially an atheist.
Correct, but Einstein was raised in a religious culture and liked the idea of expressing the forces beyond our control as "God", i.e. the higher power. You will notice that Einstein never bashed religion as Marxists do, but instead availed himself of the "God" label in referencing Nature.

Einstein, were he alive today, wouldn't mind discussing your favorite Biblical passages with you. Because he was raised within a Jewish community, he was mostly critical of Judaism, because that was the religion with which he was most familiar.

Yes, Einstein was an atheist but he was not anti-religion.


There is no 'universal constant'.
This is a funny concept. A constant C without any equation! It reminds me of a play I read in high school: Three Constants in Search of a Model
 
Flaw/flawed is a word with a meaning and is being used correctly in this situation.

(For the 10th + time) Why would an all-knowing creator/god, with such attention to detail that it consciously designs matter down to the microscopic level, design the universe, Earth and man so poorly when it was ALL created specifically so the creator/god could have a relationship with the man?
I believe you are extremely grateful and marvel at the pleasure your vision gives you. You can be awe stuck by sunsets or master paintings.

I don't think you truthfully and genuinely feel your eyes are flaws. It's just some atheist article you read that subjectively appealed to your atheism.
 
Already did.
Desperate lie. You forfeit.

But more importantly I am going to treat statements about the universe being unorganized, random, and flawed as bad faith statements,
Of course you are, you have forfeited and are in the process of fleeing to the hills. All of your arguments are summarily rejected as you have abandoned them.

because they are either contradicted by science,
You don't even know what science is, and you are humiliated. Your shame at being an adult who is too stupid to learn has you slinking away in embarrassment.

or they are completely subjective and based on human opinion and prejudice.
I bet you have no idea how you are broadcasting that you are no engineer.

You've already asked this before and I've answered it before.
Nope. I have asked many times before and you have EVADED every time.

Anyway, you have forfeited so we're done.
 
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