Archaeology of the New Testament

[ZenMode]

I believe you are extremely grateful and marvel at the pleasure your vision gives you. You can be awe stuck by sunsets or master paintings.

I don't think you truthfully and genuinely feel your eyes are flaws. It's just some atheist article you read that subjectively appealed to your atheism.

Yet another response without an answer.....

 

[Cypress]

Yet another response without an answer.....

I'm convinced anyone who worked on the human genome project marveled at the organization and function of DNA.

If you ever took a cellular biology class, I believe you would walk out of that class marvelling at the irreducible complexity, organization, and function of a single cell.

I am convinced you would not walk out of the final exam muttering about how flawed and fucked up the cell is.

 

[IBDaMann]

I don't think you truthfully and genuinely feel the severe limitations of your eyes are flaws.

... and why wouldn't he? Why do so many people need glasses (contact lenses)? Why does humanity need telescopes? Why can't humans arbitrarily select the desired distance of vision? Why are humans limited to seeing only what is immediately in front of them?

It's just some atheist article you read that subjectively appealed to your atheism.

Bold move! 47-folding down on stupid ... as only you could do.

 

[IBDaMann]

Yet another response without an answer.....

Cypress has forfeited.

 

[IBDaMann]

If you ever took a cellular biology class, I believe you would walk out of that class marvelling at the irreducible complexity, organization, and function of a single cell.

To which non-accredited biology class do you refer, that teaches Intelligent Design as biological science?

 

[Cypress]

(For the 10th + time) Why would an all-knowing creator/god, with such attention to detail that it consciously designs matter down to the microscopic level, design the universe, Earth and man so poorly when it was ALL created specifically so the creator/god could have a relationship with the man?

Once again, you are returning time after time to the Christian conception of God.
Presumably because you had a terrible experience with the church your parents dragged you to.

There are many other theistic beliefs, and almost none of them require a universe or a human that meets your subjective standards of perfect, ideal, without flaw.

Do you take your atheism seriously, or are you just someone who is mad at Christianity?

 

[Cypress]

To which non-accredited biology class do you refer, that teaches Intelligent Design as biological science?

Atheist scientists can an do marvel at the function, organization, and complexity of DNA.

It's unfortunate that you are a person who lacks the ability to marvel.

 

[IBDaMann]

Atheist scientists can an do marvel at the function, organization, and complexity of DNA.

You picked the wrong line. I am not so easily distracted. The following is the line we are discussing:

If you ever took a cellular biology class, I believe you would walk out of that class marvelling at the irreducible complexity, organization, and function of a single cell.

To which non-accredited Intelligent Design class are you calling "Biology"?

It's unfortunate that you are a person who lacks the ability to marvel.

Focusing back on you and how you won't answer the same question you demand others answer, i.e. "How did your deity come to exist?", which is the question you cannot answer and thus prefer to forfeit.

 

[Cypress]

You picked the wrong line!!

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People who are emotionally dead are incapable of marvel, awe, wonder.

Even atheist scientists marvel at the cosmos, the DNA molecule, the deep mysteries of abstract mathematics. That's what makes these intellectual pursuits so enjoyable and rewarding.

 

[ZenMode]

I'm convinced anyone who worked on the human genome project marveled at the organization and function of DNA.

If you ever took a cellular biology class, I believe you would walk out of that class marvelling at the irreducible complexity, organization, and function of a single cell.

I am convinced you would not walk out of the final exam muttering about how flawed and fucked up the cell is.

You can marvel and be astonished and amazed all you want. Those are all just words you use to convince yourself of a god creator.

You can think anything you want about me. That is all independent from the fact that you refuse to answer a simple question...

Why would an all-knowing creator/god, with such attention to detail that it consciously designs matter down to the microscopic level, design the universe, Earth and man so poorly when it was ALL created specifically so the creator/god could have a relationship with the man?

 

[IBDaMann]

People who are emotionally dead are incapable of marvel, awe, wonder.​

Seeing that you have already forfeited, you can gibber off-topic all you wish.

 

[Into the Night]

I observed the flaws in the human body,

You are CREATING the 'flaws'.

just as I would observe the flaw with Ford's car if they were to design one with the steering wheel in the engine compartment.

Non-sequitur fallacy.

This isn't rocket science. You are trying to hard.

Cliche fallacy.

 

[Into the Night]

The word 'flawed' is totally subjective, it is not scientific, it is not quantifiable,

This part is true.

and it's a word that can be molded to suit anyone's agenda.

No. It can't. That's why I'm calling him on it.

What is genuinely marvelous and unfathomable are the precise and quantifiable scientific principles, laws, and universal physical constants which all converge at the edge of a razor blade to make complex atomic matter and the universe possible.

Non-English chant. Cliche fallacy. Go learn English.

 

[Into the Night]

I, and other posters, have asked you the same question, kn about 5 different ways, and each time you've declined to answer, for reasons that are obvious.

You want to believe something and will manipulate reality, in any way necessary, to continue believing it.

Go learn what 'reality' means. It is not 'manipulated'.

 

[Into the Night]

"Flaw" is a word with a definition.

Yes, which I already gave.
YOU create the 'flaws'.

 

[Into the Night]

Not a scientific definition.

YARP. He never claimed to define science that way.

It's used by you arbitrarily and subjectively, and without any way to objectively quantify it.

This part is true.

In contrast, my comments are based on precise scientific principles which are expressed in the pure logic of mathematics.

Religion is not science.
Religion is not mathematics.
Religion is not logic.
Science is not a 'principle'.
You have already denied all three.

Even if everyone was to agree with you that the human body is flawed, that is in no way shape or form a proof that atheism is true, or that the universe was caused by purely inanimate and irrational causes.

He is not an atheist.
Magick Words (atheism, cause, inanimate, irrational, proof). Buzzword fallacies.
Go learn English.

 

[Into the Night]

Already did.

Lie. Synthesis.

But more importantly I am going to treat statements about the universe being unorganized, random, and flawed as bad faith statements, because they are either contradicted by science, or they are completely subjective and based on human opinion and prejudice.

The Universe is not faith.
The Universe is unorganized.
The Universe is not science.
Science does not contradict the Universe.
The Universe is not a subjective word.
Science is not subjective.
The Universe is not an opinion.
The Universe is not a prejudice.

You've already asked this before and I've answered it before.

Lie. Synthesis. Answer the question put to you.

 

[Into the Night]

Flaw/flawed is a word with a meaning and is being used correctly in this situation.

Illiteracy: Attempt to declare subjective as absolute.

(For the 10th + time) Why would an all-knowing creator/god, with such attention to detail that it consciously designs matter down to the microscopic level, design the universe, Earth and man so poorly when it was ALL created specifically so the creator/god could have a relationship with the man?

How do you know the Universe was created?

 

[Into the Night]

Nope. "Flawed" is a term that works in conjunction with other terms and elements of definition. How do you not know this?

Quite right. A 'flaw' is a deviation from a 'normal'. The word 'normal' is also a subjective word.
ZenMode creates the 'flaw', since also declares what is 'normal'.

ZenMode's question has an element of a presentism fallacy in it. It can be reasonably be set aside, until he tries to use any answer to that question as a 'proof'.

 

[Into the Night]

I believe you are extremely grateful and marvel at the pleasure your vision gives you. You can be awe stuck by sunsets or master paintings.

I don't think you truthfully and genuinely feel your eyes are flaws. It's just some atheist article you read that subjectively appealed to your atheism.

ZenMode is not an atheist.