Would America Be Better Off with More Religion?

[Into the Night]

@Into the Night , since the Big Bang never happened, is it safe to say that Satan never entered YHWH's space at Satan's rebellion?

What does the Big Bang (if any!) have to do with Satan or this YHWH character?

 

[Melchizedek=Tecumseh]

Someone who follows the ways of the prophet Zarathustra and believes in the supreme god and creator Ahuramazda.

I looked it up,very vague

 

[Melchizedek=Tecumseh]

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Jews are the Antithesis of White Nationalist

 

[Melchizedek=Tecumseh]

What does the Big Bang (if any!) have to do with Satan or this YHWH character?

Satan's rebellion was the trigger of The Big Bang

 

[Melchizedek=Tecumseh]

@Into the Night , since the Big Bang never happened, is it safe to say that Satan never entered YHWH's space at Satan's rebellion?

Big Bang happened, triggered by Satan's Rebellion

 

[IBDaMann]

What does the Big Bang (if any!) have to do with Satan or this YHWH character?

You have to follow the sub-thread. @Melchizedek=Tecumseh explains that certain Christian doctrine caused the Big Bang. I'm just trying to figure out how to respond.

 

[Melchizedek=Tecumseh]

@Into the Night , since the Big Bang never happened, is it safe to say that Satan never entered YHWH's space at Satan's rebellion?

You have to follow the sub-thread. @Melchizedek=Tecumseh explains that certain Christian doctrine caused the Big Bang. I'm just trying to figure out how to respond.

I'm telling you what happened

 

[Into the Night]

The acquisition and interpretation of data is the heart of science. It's the very foundation of the experimental method.

NO DATA, NO SCIENCE

Science is not data.
Science is not 'experiments'.
Science is not a lab coat.

Data is the result an an observation.
All observations are subject to the problems of phenomenology.

Science is a set of falsifiable theories. It is nothing else. It has no religion. It is completely atheistic. It does not care whether any god or gods exist or not.

 

[Into the Night]

Very true.

Even today though I think the Methodists, Catholics, Jews, and nondenominational evangelicals would get upset if Baptism was made the state religion and we had to pay taxes to support the Baptist state church.

Baptism is not a religion.
Baptism is an ordinance for various religions.

 

[Into the Night]

So you join hands with @IBDaMann in believing science can be done without data

Science is not data.
Science is not a verb. It is not "done".

 

[Into the Night]

You have to follow the sub-thread. @Melchizedek=Tecumseh explains that certain Christian doctrine caused the Big Bang. I'm just trying to figure out how to respond.

Okay. It's a non-sequitur fallacy to make such a statement.
Nothing about Christian doctrine even discusses the Big Bang.

So there really is not much to respond to.

 

[Into the Night]

I'm telling you what happened

You don't know what happened.
All you seem to be doing is chanting conflicting statements mindlessly.

 

[Into the Night]

That's not the scientific method. That's only a piece of the scientific method.

Geophysicists at Chevron, Exxon, and Harvard acquire data, analyze it, make conclusions.

NO DATA, NO SCIENCE

Science is not a 'method' or procedure.
There is no such thing as a 'geophysicist'.
Science is not data.
Science is not a fuel company, university, or government agency.

Science is a set of falsifiable theories. No data required.

 

[Into the Night]

Speculating and guessing without data isn't unique to science at all. Informed guesswork, hypothesizing, speculating is what every human on the planet does every day.

What sets the scientific method apart is it is testable and repeatable.

NO DATA, NO SCIENCE

Science is not data.
Science is not a casino.
Science is not a hypothesis.
The only test valid in science is a test to try to break a theory. It only needs to be done once.

 

[Into the Night]

I don't know enough about tax policy to have a firm opinion either way. I'd like to evaluate both sides of the argument. Churches use public infrastructure on the one hand. But on the other hand, are they providing charitable services to the community that would otherwise have to be provided by governments?

I certainly don't want anything unconstitutional, like school prayer, or creation science in the public schools.

The Theory of Creation is not a theory of science.
There is nothing unconstitutional about school prayer or the teaching of the Theory of Creation.

On the other hand, I'm a little reticent to say religion must stay out of politics.

Religion does not have to stay out of politics. Most every religion has its politics.

Martin Luther King invoked religious belief in his quest for civil rights.

So?

Quite effectively too. Democratic Texas Senatorial candidate James Talarico is openly stating that his religious values and the social gospel help inform his opinions on public policy. I'm okay with that.

Fine, but I will hold you to that statement.

 

[Into the Night]

reason and logic are the beginning of science and those permeate every facet of life.

Logic is not science.

 

[Into the Night]

"Science without data is philosophy,

Science is not data.
Science is not philosophy.

as the foundational scientific method requires empirical observation to test, verify, and validate hypotheses. Without rigorous data collection, decision-makers are left fumbling in the dark, leading to a lack of physical guardrails in real-world applications."

~AI summary​

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AI slop.

Science is not a method.
Science is not observation.
Science does not test any theory to validate it.
Science does not verify any theory to 'bless' it.
A theory is not a hypothesis.
Science is not data.
Science is not 'decision makers'. There is voting bloc or Holy Priesthood of science.
Science is not 'guardrails'.
Science is not an 'application'.

No Data, No Science​

Science is not data.

 

[Into the Night]

Reasoning without any empirical data is philosophy.
Humans have been doing that for thousands of years

Science is not data.
Science is not philosophy.
You don't get to quote everyone. Omniscience fallacy.

 

[Into the Night]

"if you say "no thats' philosophy" you will be the biggest retard on earth."

yep. biggest retard on earth it is.

we all know that.

philosophy and science started as the same thing.

they're both science because reason is the basis of science.

Science is not philosophy.

 

[Into the Night]

We are in the 21st century. They're not the same thing anymore, and haven't been for hundreds of years.

Philosophy is deductive reasoning in the absence of empirical data

Science is based the the testability of empirical data, and the inductive interpretation of results.

Science is not an age. Science has no 'age'.
Philosophy does not prohibit data.
Science is not data.
Science is not a 'result'.