Everyone understands that Socialism is not Communism, right?

One of the DSAs top leaders, David Jenkins, said their goal is communism. What more do you need?

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Socialism =/= communism =/= democratic socialism =/= corporate capitalism.

They are all different but the last two are more alike then the first two, with the main distinction being does the govt mostly push tax payer money down to middle class and below or push it up to corporate and oligarchs.
 
Lol, he's a top leader in the DSA and the person who helped get Mamdani elected. This is why you dummies always look foolish, because you're uninformed. He's listed on the leadership page of the DSA.

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So you have no clue who? Just some random guy speaking on a short video? I googled and apparently NY Post claimed he was a mime. In other words, nobody knows.

Even if you're right about him, does it change anything about DSA and their website?
 
So you have no clue who? Just some random guy speaking on a short video? I googled and apparently NY Post claimed he was a mime. In other words, nobody knows.

Even if you're right about him, does it change anything about DSA and their website?
What are you talking about? I linked you to the leadership page of the DSA, he's listed as the regional organizer. There are longer versions of that video. What part of him saying the goal of the DSA is communism? Are you really this stupid? I literally drew you a picture.

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What are you talking about? I linked you to the leadership page of the DSA, he's listed as the regional organizer. There are longer versions of that video. What part of him saying the goal of the DSA is communism? Are you really this stupid? I literally drew you a picture.

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It's a short clip of someone unknown.

There are many members, including AOC I believe, of DSA. You might have a point if any one of them or the site openly state their goal is Communism.
 
It's a short clip of someone unknown.

There are many members, including AOC I believe, of DSA. You might have a point if any one of them or the site openly state their goal is Communism.
Why are you continuing to play dumb? He is listed on the DSA website as the Regional Director. I linked you to the page, and showed you two screenshots with his name and title underlined. Do you relish looking foolish?
 
Why are you continuing to play dumb? He is listed on the DSA website as the Regional Director. I linked you to the page, and showed you two screenshots with his name and title underlined. Do you relish looking foolish?
All you did was listing his name. And you posted a very short clip you claimed was him. NY Post claimed he was a mime.

You have nothing. Even if you say was true, does that change anything? No where on DSA site or no member does they state that their goal is Communism.
 
Irrelevant.

Norway has the best functioning example of democratic socialism we can model from

Norway is far too different a place. It doesn't have the geographic differences, the ethnic mix, or sheer size of a nation that the US is faced with. One-size fits all solutions rarely, if ever, work in the US.
I am not making a claim 'it works in Norway thus it will work in the US ' to which your reply would then be relevant.

You are saying we should emulate their model, and that means many one-size fits all solutions by government to problems.
I'm saying the Dem party modeling off that and TRYING IT, where the simply reallocate some of the masses of tax payer money currently going to corporations and oligarchs while imposing a fairer tax code is SOMETHING the US could do to see if democratic socialism will produce better results than the current corporate capitalism system does.

Maybe we should stop taking masses of taxpayer money and trying to solve every problem from Washington DC.
Ultimately your guess/opinion or mine off which will produce the superior result is Irrelevant . The point is the are both democracy versions being the center left and center right versions.

Trying to equate it with communism is just dishonest and stupid
I am saying that the "Democratic Socialism" advocated for and wanted by parties like the DSA is Communism. Your variant may not be so virulent but that is not, what increasingly, is the platform of the Left and by extension, the Democrat(ic) Party.
 
How does socialism differ from communism? Be specific and detailed.
He won't answer without dodging (for obvious reasons to become apparent in a moment); so I will.

Socialism is an economic system where wealth is 'shared' (by force). It is a redistribution of wealth by confiscating from those who have, to those who have not.

In other words, all socialism is based on theft of wealth.

There are three major forms:

Fascism, which is government control of markets, allows private ownership, but the government tells you who you must hire, who you must fire, what you are allowed to manufacture, your hours of conducting business, etc.

Communism, which is government ownership of markets. Private ownership now becomes government ownership. It is confiscation of wealth to give directly to the 'poor', with the government taking a hefty percentage off the top, and the 'poor' often not receiving anything.

Slavery, which is ownership of labor.

Because people don't like their wealth being stolen, governments and government agencies implementing socialism are typically oligarchies and dictatorships. Thus, with socialism comes oppression and tyranny.

Communism is just one form of socialism.
This is the difference.

While socialism in its various forms exist in every nation (including the United States), where most of it is illegal.

He won't answer because he is a socialist.
 
All you did was listing his name. And you posted a very short clip you claimed was him. NY Post claimed he was a mime.

You have nothing. Even if you say was true, does that change anything? No where on DSA site or no member does they state that their goal is Communism.
Your goal is also communism.
 
Why are you continuing to play dumb? He is listed on the DSA website as the Regional Director. I linked you to the page, and showed you two screenshots with his name and title underlined. Do you relish looking foolish?
Yes...he does. It's his only way of getting attention.
 
Norway is far too different a place. It doesn't have the geographic differences, the ethnic mix, or sheer size of a nation that the US is faced with. One-size fits all solutions rarely, if ever, work in the US.


You are saying we should emulate their model, and that means many one-size fits all solutions by government to problems.


Maybe we should stop taking masses of taxpayer money and trying to solve every problem from Washington DC.

I am saying that the "Democratic Socialism" advocated for and wanted by parties like the DSA is Communism. Your variant may not be so virulent but that is not, what increasingly, is the platform of the Left and by extension, the Democrat(ic) Party.
One size does indeed fit all. That 'size' is capitalism, and the Constitution of the United States of America.

Throughout history, the people of the United States have been faced with tremendous adversities. They have overcome each and every one of them, keeping this great nation what it is.

Now the threat of Marxism and tyranny that goes with it threatens the nation from within...and the people will overcome this threat also. Of that I have no doubt.
 
So do you admit then David Duke and other avowed racist/kkk members who were also republicans proves the party is one and the same with the racist kkk?

Or will you spin yourself into a hypocritical pretzel trying to spin why your specious reasoning only applies on the left
You cannot blame Democrats on Republicans, Kewpie.
 
So do you admit then David Duke and other avowed racist/kkk members who were also republicans proves the party is one and the same with the racist kkk?

Or will you spin yourself into a hypocritical pretzel trying to spin why your specious reasoning only applies on the left
They may have run as Republicans at some point, but there are not third parties with distinct political platforms running as Republicans. There are third parties, with distinct political platforms, running as Democrats. To include:

Democratic Socialists of America (formerly the Socialist Party of America)
Democratic Farmer Labor Party
Social Democrats USA (distinct from the above Socialist Party of America)
 
Yes, I did. You don't like the answer. Here it is again.

There's not a nickel's worth of difference between the two. They vary only in the degree of control over the economy they take. Put another way, Communism is simply Socialism on steroids, taken to the extreme.

That's it. Communism is a form of Socialism. Both require a big, controlling, government. How controlling depends largely on the degree to which the government controls the economy.
That is not my question. Read my question again. It is in my post #26...WHICH YOU QUOTED IN YOUR POST #27.

YOU DID NOT ANSWER IT.
 
What you describe, and why Socialism / Communism fail, is that people will freely choose to be altruistic in large groups. That is, each person in a society is willing to work hard and give away, willingly, a good portion of what they produce to those that do little or nothing. In a small group, like a family or tight knit small village, this might work where everyone knows everyone else and has some affinity for each other. It doesn't work in a larger society where the fruits of labor are going to unknown persons.

In a large society, altruism will not be universal. That alone causes Socialism / Communism to fail.

You call that, "conflating." I call it simple human nature. People are NOT naturally altruistic to everyone they meet or everyone in society. To make Socialism / Communism work on the large scale, you need some hierarchy that decides who gets what, organizes collection and distribution, and in general makes sure everyone gets equal shares. Then you need a means of coercion to keep those that are reluctant or refuse to be cooperative and altruistic. That all results in the need for a big government that can dictate the outcomes and enforce them.
THEY DO NOT FUCKING ALL FAIL.

SOME SUCCEED GREATLY.

CHINA IS THE SECOND MOST ROBUST, STRONG ECONOMY ON THE PLANET...PRIMED TO SURPASS AMERICA DURING THE NEXT DECADE. AND IT IS EITHER A COMMUNIST OR SOCIALIST ONE.
 
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