Trump's approval rating drops among White working-class voters

[Into the Night]

For the entire 21st century I've been having Republicans, Teanaggers, and MAGA morons blame Democrats as the reason they relentlessly worshipped George Dumbya Bush and Donald Trump.

Go learn what 'worship' means, Cyborg.
MAGA is not a person.

 

[Into the Night]

IMO the Dems should talk Tammy Duckworth into running.
She is a decorated war vet who got her Helicopter shot down by an RPG and lost her legs.
She has gone on to become a US Congressmen and a US Senator with a good voting record for Vets, women Children and more.
I believe the Republicans are going to run Vance and try to promote him as being a war hero, well Vance was a war corespondent and sat in safe areas writing his stories, He is not what I would cal a war hero.

Oh yeah. A real success store that one!
Over the last year, every single one of her votes she lost.

 

[Nordberg]

This one is easy. The Dems are the party of the working people. Every bill that has ever been passed that helps the workers was a Dem bill. The way the reds got them to vote for them is their agreements in hating gays, hating abortion, and being racist. ICE brutalizing suspected immigrants and protesters gives the Reds votes.

 

[Into the Night]

Either one I still think she would be a great first woman President .

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

 

[Into the Night]

Democrats are fortunate to have many people who would be great candidates.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

 

[Into the Night]

Why?

Because you are afraid they will start a war?
D'OH!
Because you are afraid they will be bad for the economy?
D'OH!
High inflation?
D'OH!
Gas prices?
D'OH!
Crime rates?
D'OH!

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Leftists start wars.
They've even called for civil war against citizens of the United States.

Leftists are bad for the economy. Socialism always is.

Leftists cause high inflation as well.
During the Great Depression, caused by FDR, inflation hit 75%.
During the Boom.Bust crash and depression, caused by leftist terrorists funded and supported by Democrats, inflation hit 32%.
During the Obama/Biden economic crash and depression, inflation hit 91%.
During the Biden/Obama depression, inflation hit 34%.

Source: Federal Reserve

Leftists have caused nasty shortages too:
* Rent control resulting in a shortage of housing.
* Price controls on gasoline resulting in a gas shortage.
* Price controls on health insurance resulting in a shortage and higher prices for health insurance.

These are but just a few examples.

 

[Into the Night]

I don't think he will live out his term.

Planning on another assassination attempt?

 

[QP!]

I'm of the opinion we need to play it safe this time, not try for historic firsts.

I am kind of with you on that point as long as we do not get another Biden/Garland type team up of old school 'i am bipartisan consensus seeker' types in office.

The Dem's need a bulldog Mamdani type who can unite both the right and left populists beyond what Trump did, but with real actionable promises and not just lies as Trump did.

i feel bad that i think Pete is not that guy, as he has the verbal chops to be that guy but sadly a gay man is still too much of a rallying cry for a lot of hate that exists mostly in the south, and the Dems have a real chance to win over a lot of that working man vote.

 

[Into the Night]

The fascist Right killed its share,

You can't blame Democrat fascism on Trump, Marty.

and this country was fortunate it had a Leftist in the WH during the war that killed many of those millions,

Why? Millions of Americans were killed.

fortunate it had a Leftist for his time in the WH when the South decided it preferred slavery to union,

Why do you prefer slavery, Marty?

fortunate there were Leftists for their time when the nation was being born.

There weren't. Pres. Jackson was the first Democrat president. He stole indian land, killed their men, and force the women and children to march a long distance to 'reservations'. Indians call it the Trail of Tears. Jackson also raped his own slaves.

Fortunate now there is a sane mindset in the form of the Left to oppose the mind-poisoned Trumpian Right.

It is not sane. Trump lives in your head rent free. The Church of Hate is not sane.

 

[Into the Night]

Charlie Kirk is right.

 

[Into the Night]

When Hitler-and-Nazism is put on the Left the Left/Right dichotomy has lost it's meaning.

Nope. Fascism is a form of socialism.
Hitler implemented as a dictatorship.

Essentially, the Left is political power with the people,

You hate the people. The only thing you are interested in power for the sake of power.

the Right political power with entrenched leadership. A far Right totalitarian government controls everything,

Communism is a form of socialism. You can't blame your socialism on Trump, Marty.

including the means of economic production. Nazism was the latter.

Nazis (and Hitler) were fascists and communists, implementing their socialism by dictatorship.

Lincoln was a liberal

Lincoln was a republican, Marty.

who made himself famous with his speeches attacking slavery. True, he said he'd free not a single slave in order to save the union. It's what he did that defines him.

So you credit Lincoln with outlawing slavery.

Why do you support slavery, Marty?

 

[QP!]

Yup.

If Charlie was a good person he would want to be the person to die to protect an unrestricted 2nd Amendment.

Otherwise his statement is saying 'others who are not me should die and its worth it...'.

Do you magats here agree Charlie wanted to die for this cause and was not just calling for others to die as the 'worth it' price that he believed needed to be paid?

 

[Into the Night]

You are fucked up in the head terry , Nazism and fascism is a right wing ideology, so much for your knowledge of history

Socialism (including fascism) is what DEMOCRATS want. You can't blame your socialism on Trump or Republicans. Inversion fallacy.

Historians and political scientists universally classify Nazism as a far-right movement

Socialism (including fascism) is what DEMOCRATS want. You can't blame your problem on Trump or Republicans. Inversion fallacy.
Science has no politics.
Propaganda is not history.

Political scholars define the far-right by its embrace of extreme nationalism, biological hierarchy, authoritarianism, and staunch opposition to egalitarianism.

There is nothing wrong with nationalism.
DEMOCRATS hate America.
The Nazis almost destroyed Germany.
DEMOCRATS are racists. So were the Nazis.
DEMOCRATS consider themselves The Elite, and above the law. So did the Nazis.

While the Nazi Party used "socialist" in its name to attract working-class voters, this was a political tactic; once in power, Hitler outlawed unions, executed actual socialists, and allied with conservative elites.

Go look up what the NAZI acronym means, Gunky.
There is no such thing as 'conservative elites'.
It is DEMOCRATS that consider themselves The Elite.

 

[Into the Night]

Yup.

If Charlie was a good person he would want to be the person to die to protect an unrestricted 2nd Amendment.

There are no restrictions or conditions of the 2nd amendment. It simply prohibits government from interfering with the right to own and use Arms (any weapon). DEMOCRATS may have murdered him, but his message still goes on.

Otherwise his statement is saying 'others who are not me should die and its worth it...'.

You cannot justify murder, Kewpie.

Do you magats here agree Charlie wanted to die for this cause and was not just calling for others to die as the 'worth it' price that he believed needed to be paid?

Magats is not a word.
You cannot justify murder, Kewpie.

 

[Sailor]

Did a court find he was a rapist?

They would have if he had been tried today. By your own defintion.



under the same circumstances as trump today would bill Clinton be charged with the same thing?










Yes, if placed under the exact same circumstances as Donald Trump today, Bill Clinton could be held legally liable in a civil court for historic sexual abuse, but he would not face criminal charges. [1, 2, 3]
To understand this comparison, a vital distinction must be made: Donald Trump has not been criminally charged or convicted of sexual assault. Instead, a New York civil jury found him legally liable for sexual abuse and defamation in a lawsuit brought by columnist E. Jean Carroll. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]
If Bill Clinton faced the exact same legal circumstances today, the outcome would mirror Trump's in the following ways:

1. The Civil Liability Comparison
Trump was successfully sued under New York’s Adult Survivors Act, a temporary legislative "lookback window" that allowed victims of decades-old sexual misconduct to file civil lawsuits after the standard statute of limitations had expired. [1]

• If applied to Clinton: If a state passed a similar lookback window covering the geographical locations where Clinton's accusers allege their historic assaults occurred (such as Arkansas or Washington, D.C.), his accusers would have the exact same legal pathway to sue him for monetary damages. [1]
• The Legal Standard: Just like in Trump's civil trials, Clinton's accusers would only need to meet the civil standard of proof—a "preponderance of the evidence" (meaning the allegation is more likely true than not)—rather than the strict criminal standard of "beyond a reasonable doubt." [1, 2]

2. The Defamation Liability Comparison
A massive portion of Trump’s multi-million dollar legal penalties stemmed from defamation, because he publicly called his accuser a liar and a "hoax" while speaking to the media from the White House and on social media. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]

• If applied to Clinton: If Clinton were to publicly mock, demean, or accuse his historic accusers of fabricating their stories for political or financial gain today, they could sue him for defamation. Under the law, those contemporary public statements would trigger brand-new, valid lawsuits completely separate from the decades-old timeline of the original events. [1, 2, 3, 4]

3. The Lack of Criminal Charges
Neither man faces criminal imprisonment for these specific historic allegations. [1, 2]

• The Legal Reality: Because the allegations against both men occurred decades ago, the criminal statute of limitations has long passed. Under the U.S. Constitution, neither Trump nor Clinton can be criminally indicted, arrested, or jailed today for sexual assault allegations dating back to the 1970s, 1980s, or 1990s.

Financial and Public Outcomes
In summary, if Clinton were subjected to the same modern civil lookback laws and made the same public denials as Trump, he would face the exact same vulnerability: multi-million dollar civil verdicts for sexual abuse and defamation. However, just like Trump, he would remain entirely immune to criminal prosecution for those past events.


















































under the same circumstances as trump today would bill Clinton be charged with the same thing?











Yes, if placed under the exact same circumstances as Donald Trump today, Bill Clinton could be held legally liable in a civil court for historic sexual abuse, but he would not face criminal charges.

 

[Jarod]

They would have if he had been tried today. By your own defintion.



under the same circumstances as trump today would bill Clinton be charged with the same thing?










Yes, if placed under the exact same circumstances as Donald Trump today, Bill Clinton could be held legally liable in a civil court for historic sexual abuse, but he would not face criminal charges. [1, 2, 3]
To understand this comparison, a vital distinction must be made: Donald Trump has not been criminally charged or convicted of sexual assault. Instead, a New York civil jury found him legally liable for sexual abuse and defamation in a lawsuit brought by columnist E. Jean Carroll. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]
If Bill Clinton faced the exact same legal circumstances today, the outcome would mirror Trump's in the following ways:

1. The Civil Liability Comparison
Trump was successfully sued under New York’s Adult Survivors Act, a temporary legislative "lookback window" that allowed victims of decades-old sexual misconduct to file civil lawsuits after the standard statute of limitations had expired. [1]

• If applied to Clinton: If a state passed a similar lookback window covering the geographical locations where Clinton's accusers allege their historic assaults occurred (such as Arkansas or Washington, D.C.), his accusers would have the exact same legal pathway to sue him for monetary damages. [1]
• The Legal Standard: Just like in Trump's civil trials, Clinton's accusers would only need to meet the civil standard of proof—a "preponderance of the evidence" (meaning the allegation is more likely true than not)—rather than the strict criminal standard of "beyond a reasonable doubt." [1, 2]

2. The Defamation Liability Comparison
A massive portion of Trump’s multi-million dollar legal penalties stemmed from defamation, because he publicly called his accuser a liar and a "hoax" while speaking to the media from the White House and on social media. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]

• If applied to Clinton: If Clinton were to publicly mock, demean, or accuse his historic accusers of fabricating their stories for political or financial gain today, they could sue him for defamation. Under the law, those contemporary public statements would trigger brand-new, valid lawsuits completely separate from the decades-old timeline of the original events. [1, 2, 3, 4]

3. The Lack of Criminal Charges
Neither man faces criminal imprisonment for these specific historic allegations. [1, 2]

• The Legal Reality: Because the allegations against both men occurred decades ago, the criminal statute of limitations has long passed. Under the U.S. Constitution, neither Trump nor Clinton can be criminally indicted, arrested, or jailed today for sexual assault allegations dating back to the 1970s, 1980s, or 1990s.

Financial and Public Outcomes
In summary, if Clinton were subjected to the same modern civil lookback laws and made the same public denials as Trump, he would face the exact same vulnerability: multi-million dollar civil verdicts for sexual abuse and defamation. However, just like Trump, he would remain entirely immune to criminal prosecution for those past events.


















































under the same circumstances as trump today would bill Clinton be charged with the same thing?











Yes, if placed under the exact same circumstances as Donald Trump today, Bill Clinton could be held legally liable in a civil court for historic sexual abuse, but he would not face criminal charges.

Did a court find he was a rapist?

The answer is no.

The only accusation I ever saw about Clinton were recanted under oath!

 

[Sailor]

Did a court find he was a rapist?

The answer is no.

Nice try at a spin. And you are flailing around again.

 

[Into the Night]

This one is easy. The Dems are the party of the working people.

BULLSHIT!!

DEMOCRATS implement price controls on wages, putting people out of work.
DEMOCRATS imported millions of illegal immigrants, putting them on welfare, which is stealing from the worker, and also puts people out of work.
DEMOCRATS implemented price controls on gasoline (resulting in gas shortages), rent controls (resulting in housing shortages), health insurance price controls and communism (resulting in a shortage of health insurance), etc.
DEMOCRATS locked people in their homes and DESTROYED numerous business with the Covid Hoax.
DEMOCRATS hate children. They advocate murder of the unborn, mutilation in the name of 'gender choice', and put them in 'gun free zones' where mass murders can kill with relative impunity.
DEMOCRATS hate women. They beat them, invade their private spaces, forcibly sterilize them, and council them to murder their own offspring.
DEMOCRATS hate different races. They consider them inferior, lock them into inner city welfare (the modern plantation), and leave them without education, training, or any ability to work their way out of the hell Democrats built for them.
DEMOCRATS are racists and misogynists.
DEMOCRATS steal from the working people to implement their fascism, communism, and slavery...in other words, socialism.
DEMOCRATS want to discard the Constitution of the United States and all State constitutions.
DEMOCRATS support welfare programs, paid for on the backs of the workers (communism), with of course taking their hefty cut off the top first.
DEMOCRATS hate cops (working people).
DEMOCRATS start fires to 'prove' Global Warming, putting firefighters (working people) at risk trying to put them out with insufficient water supplies.
DEMOCRATS commit thuggery, violence including rioting, looting, supporting organized crime, drug use, harboring illegal aliens, and make it dangerous for the working people.
DEMOCRATS 'tax the rich', making companies flee their areas, putting working people out of work.

Every bill that has ever been passed that helps the workers was a Dem bill.

BULLSHIT! Examples already listed above.

The way the reds got them to vote for them is their agreements in hating gays,

You hate families. You think your sexually deviant behavior is "normal".
DEMOCRATS created the conditions for AIDS, a painful series of infections.

hating abortion,

Yes. I absolutely abhor murdering children. Why do you support it??

and being racist.

Inversion fallacy. It is DEMOCRATS that are racist.
It is DEMOCRATS that supported enslaving blacks (and still do!).
It is DEMOCRATS that created the KKK, and still support and fund it.
It is DEMOCRATS that created Anfifa, and still fund and support it.
It is DEMOCRATS that created BLM, and still fund and support it.
The KKK, Antifa, and BLM are all racist.

ICE brutalizing suspected immigrants and protesters gives the Reds votes.

Illegal immigration is a crime, Sybil. ICE only goes after illegal immigrants.
If you attack police, they WILL fire upon you.

DEMOCRATS support illegal immigration, itself a crime, and illegal immigrants that have committed fraud, rape, and murder. They will even try to cover up for them, since DEMOCRATS support the same things.

 

[Into the Night]

I am kind of with you on that point as long as we do not get another Biden/Garland type team up of old school 'i am bipartisan consensus seeker' types in office.

The Dem's need a bulldog Mamdani type who can unite both the right and left populists beyond what Trump did, but with real actionable promises and not just lies as Trump did.

i feel bad that i think Pete is not that guy, as he has the verbal chops to be that guy but sadly a gay man is still too much of a rallying cry for a lot of hate that exists mostly in the south, and the Dems have a real chance to win over a lot of that working man vote.

Mandani??

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

 

[Into the Night]

Did a court find he was a rapist?

A court has found Bill Clinton to be a rapist.
His penalty was waived.

The answer is no.

Lie.

The only accusation I ever saw about Clinton were recanted under oath!

Lie.