The most secure election ever and other lies.

[Nordberg]

It was the most secure election ever in 2020. https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/its-official-election-was-secure

 

[QP!]

Nice try, stupid.

1. There was NO evidence of collusion, none at all, as per the FBI's final report. "No evidence of collusion" - the FBI.
2. You pretended the 2016 election was stolen, don't pretend otherwise
3. Then you agreed that it was a crime to question 2020.

All facts.

Good talk, dummy.

Ya the FACTS are what the Marco Rubio lead Senate committee found and what Mueller found both extensively detailed in two different independent reports but whose finding mirror each other.

THESE ARE UNDENYABLE.

The Senate Intelligence Committee Report (2020)

• • Key Findings on Collusion: Uncovered granular evidence of interactions, noting that campaign associates engaged with Russian intelligence. The most notable finding involved campaign chairman Paul Manafort sharing internal polling data with Konstantin Kilimnik, whom the committee explicitly identified as a Russian intelligence officer. [1, 2, 3, 4]

The Mueller Report outlined the extensive, troubling ties involving Paul Manafort, and others and it explicitly noted that "collusion" is a layman's term rather than a legal one. [1, 2, 3, 4]

1. Paul Manafort and Konstantin Kilimnik

• Sharing Polling Data: Campaign chairman Paul Manafort instructed his deputy, Rick Gates, to share internal, sensitive campaign polling data with Konstantin Kilimnik, a business associate with known ties to Russian intelligence. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]
• Strategy Briefings: Manafort met in person with Kilimnik during the campaign to brief him on Trump's strategy for winning battleground states. [1, 2]
• Peace Plan: They discussed a "peace plan" for Ukraine that heavily favored Russian interests, which Manafort continued to engage with after leaving the campaign. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]

2. The June 2016 Trump Tower Meeting

• The Pitch: Donald Trump Jr., Jared Kushner, and Paul Manafort met with a Russian lawyer, Natalia Veselnitskaya, after being promised derogatory information on Hillary Clinton. [1, 2]
• The Intent: Trump Jr. was explicitly told in an email that this "dirt" was part of a covert Russian government effort to assist his father’s campaign. [1]
• The Response: Rather than reporting the foreign approach to the FBI, Trump Jr. famously replied via email, "If it's what you say I love it." [1, 2]

3. George Papadopoulos and Foreign Policy Outreach

• Advance Notice of Hacking: Campaign foreign policy advisor George Papadopoulos met with Joseph Mifsud, a Maltese professor with Kremlin connections, who informed him that Russia possessed "dirt" on Clinton in the form of "thousands of emails." [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]
• Boasting to Diplomats: Papadopoulos later boasted about this information to an Australian diplomat, which ultimately triggered the FBI's initial counterintelligence investigation into the campaign. [1, 2, 3]

4. Wikileaks and Strategic Encouragement

• Welcoming the Interference: The report explicitly found that the Trump campaign "welcomed" the disruption caused by Russian hacking efforts because it expected to benefit politically from the leaks. [1]
• The Roger Stone Connection: Trump associate Roger Stone maintained contact with WikiLeaks and Guccifer 2.0 (a persona run by Russian military intelligence) and communicated with top campaign officials about the timing of upcoming document releases. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]

5. Michael Cohen and Trump Tower Moscow

• Active Negotiations: While Donald Trump was publicly claiming he had no business dealings in Russia, his personal attorney, Michael Cohen, was actively negotiating a lucrative real estate deal to build a Trump Tower in Moscow.
• Kremlin Contact: Cohen went as far as reaching out directly to the office of Dmitry Peskov, Vladimir Putin’s press secretary, to secure government assistance for the project. [, 2, 3, 4, 5]

 

[WCM]

Ya the FACTS are what the Marco Rubio lead Senate committee found and what Mueller found both extensively detailed in two different independent reports but whose finding mirror each other.

THESE ARE UNDENYABLE.

Hey dummy,
You're still referring to "normal interactions with Russians" as "interactions with spies". FYI there are Russian spies everywhere. No one in the US congress/senate has never met with spies.

You don't think Bernie "honeymoon in Russia" Sanders has talked to Russian spies?

Regarding Page's contacts with Russians, he was spying for the CIA, remember? The FBI was found to have lied to the FISA court about that, dummy. Do you remember Kevin Clinesmith's penalty-free conviction for altering evidence and providing it to the FISA Judge? You and I would go to prison for altering evidence and providing it to a judge.

In case you've forgotten, that was the only actual conviction that was related to the Russian collusion investigation The FBI was thrashed like a rented mule by the FISA court judge, Rosemary Collyer, for their lies and crimes during the collusion show trial...

• "The frequency with which representations made by FBI personnel turned out to be unsupported or contradicted by information in their possession, and with which they withheld information detrimental to their case, calls into question whether information contained in other FBI applications is reliable," Judge Rosemary Collyer wrote in an order published Tuesday.

Just so that you can understand what she said, it means "The FBI lied so many times during the collusion investigation that the legitimacy of all the evidence the FBI ever submitted on any case, ever, is suddenly in question."

 

[AProudLefty]

How many times has Trump served in the oval office?

One?

 

[QP!]

Hey dummy,
You're still referring to "normal interactions with Russians" as "interactions with spies". FYI there are Russian spies everywhere. No one in the US congress/senate has never met with spies.

You don't think Bernie "honeymoon in Russia" Sanders has talked to Russian spies?

Regarding Page's contacts with Russians, he was spying for the CIA, remember? The FBI was found to have lied to the FISA court about that, dummy. Do you remember Kevin Clinesmith's penalty-free conviction for altering evidence and providing it to the FISA Judge? You and I would go to prison for altering evidence and providing it to a judge.

In case you've forgotten, that was the only actual conviction that was related to the Russian collusion investigation The FBI was thrashed like a rented mule by the FISA court judge, Rosemary Collyer, for their lies and crimes during the collusion show trial...

• "The frequency with which representations made by FBI personnel turned out to be unsupported or contradicted by information in their possession, and with which they withheld information detrimental to their case, calls into question whether information contained in other FBI applications is reliable," Judge Rosemary Collyer wrote in an order published Tuesday.

Just so that you can understand what she said, it means "The FBI lied so many times during the collusion investigation that the legitimacy of all the evidence the FBI ever submitted on any case, ever, is suddenly in question."

Again this is your inability to read and comprehend what you read.

just as i cited to you WHAT TRUMP HAD TO SAY about Iran and you demanded i defend it, as if i was saying it, you are doing that now again.

I a not "asserting" anything with regards to Trumps relationships with Russia. I am citing the FACTS found by Mueller and Rubio's Senate Committed with DETAIL the TROUBLING collusion they BOTH FOUND when they investigated.

There is a reason they do not tie it to Bernie and his "talk with Russia" as no one is saying "talk is collusion". What is collusion is what it is laid out in GREAT DETAIL in BOTH those reports showing the efforts Trump and Campaign went to. to provide Russia with the information they needed as then Russian enacted disinformation campaigns that were designed to help Trump.

 

[WCM]

False and this is where your Grade 2 comprehension comes in.

I contrasted two differing statements by Trump and no where did i claim the war "illegal" (your reading comprehension problems again) :

You're a leftist, QPI. Of course you have said that the war there is illegal, because that was one of the main leftist talking points about the war for a while.

Are you gonna sit there and pretend that your opinion differed from that of CNN for a tenth of a second?

I call BULLSHIT!

If CNN said it, you said it, 100%. You're incapable of going against a narrative from the cultist hive-mind, QPI.

And if you didn't say it, then can you now, for the record, say without reserve that:

• it was a lie for CNN and the Dems to say that "The Iran war is illegal"?

The Prime Minister of Canada and the left4rded sellouts leading Germany and Spain even called the war illegal ffs. There's no chance on God's green earth that you never regurgitated such a juicy condemnation of a Trump policy of that magnitude... It's like Kamala passing on the opportunity to guzzle a few loads of J for a new political appointment.

 

[QP!]

You're a leftist, QPI. Of course you have said that the war there is illegal, because that was one of the main leftist talking points about the war for a while.
...

Quote me saying the "war is illegal" or off to troll ignore you go with the other trolls who lie and make stuff up.

 

[Into the Night]

questioning is NOT evidence.

He never said it was, Stooge. Pay attention.

 

[Into the Night]

since you cannot read and understand those are Trump contrasting and not mine and yet you as me to defend Trump's inconsistency and stupidiity, i will simply repost my correct post...

Void argument fallacies.

For sake of argument even is Nato was a joke and reliant on the US (of which the US greatly benefitted) it was still something China and Russia could not have taken on and yes, US strength in that alliance was key to that.

China is not a member of NATO, Kewpie.
Russia is not a member of NATO, Kewpie.
You are ignoring the NATO treaty again.

Now, regardless of that Nato is much more of joke. Much weaker. Putin could march into a Baltic Nato country tomorrow and Trump would have to weigh what was 'in it for him' before he would decide on the role the US would play in it.

NATO is not a strength.
NATO response is automatic.
Baltic NATO members are perfectly capable of defending themselves.

Trump's weakness is dooming the West and pushing China's rise.

China isn't rising. It's falling back into it's long history of almost continuous revolution after revolution.

If Iran gets nukes it will be because Trump proved to them the US is useless when it comes to stopping them.

Iran will not get nukes, Kewpie.

There is a brand new alert out by the US now about a new Iran nuke threat which only PROVES Trump and the US can DO NOTHING to stop Iran nuclear ambitions. Their 'obliteration' is useless' Their 'decimation' is a laughable joke, if just weeks later Iran can always be a threat again.

He already has, Kewpie. He will continue to do so every time Iran tries to build a nuke.

this announcement is still on the White House web site, Iran’s Nuclear Facilities Have Been Obliterated — and Suggestions Otherwise are Fake News,

There were obliterated, Kewpie. That doesn't keep Iran from trying to build new facilities. They'll just get obliterated too.

claiming Iran's nuclear program was not a threat to the world for years to come,

It is, Kewpie.

PROVING what a joke Trump and the US are as Iran laughs, said 'hold my beer' and restarted it almost instantly and made it such a threat it was weeks away from bombing the US.

Iran isn't laughing, Kewpie.

 

[Into the Night]

I think I've heard of around 10 Maybe a dozen?

Trivial fallacy.

Four of those were trumpers in Florida.

None.

Don't worry! I'm sure any day now these millions of fraudulent votes are going to be found!

Argument of the Stone fallacy. Denial of history.
You cannot make any evidence just disappear, Void.

So, the answer is that Trump is a liar.

Void argument fallacy. TDS.

When he called Georgia and try to steal the state from Biden,

A phone call is not theft, Void.
Georgia never chose their electoral members.
Biden does not own any State.

instead that his lawyers had the proof and were finalizing it, he was flat out lying.

Void argument fallacy.

You are also either a liar or a gullible fool.

Void argument fallacy. Mantra 1a. Lame.

 

[WCM]

Quote me saying the "war is illegal" or off to troll ignore you go with the other trolls who lie and make stuff up.

• me saying the "war is illegal"

 

[QP!]

• me saying the "war is illegal"

buh bye troll.

 

[Into the Night]

I guess the main concern for them is voter fraud, but sentences for voter fraud are light. People who get caught casting a vote for their deceased spouses (mail-in ballots) usually only get probation.

See USC 20511.
Also see COG $21.2.566 (Code of Georgia).

But the requirement to present ID brings about a whole new set of problems for cheaters.

Firstly, it requires the creation of false ID, which is a felony, and a mandatory stint in prison for whoever's doing it. Who's gonna do that for a bunch of people, all of whom could get caught and rat them out?

Election fraud is also a felony.

Second, if you do go to the trouble to acquire false ID, and get caught voting for someone else, in addition to election fraud it's also identity theft, possession of false ID, and presenting false ID to an elected official... It becomes such an accumulation of felonies that it requires mandatory prison time. No more probation or house arrest, it's guaranteed prison time.

See COG $21.2.566.

It's undeniable that voter ID provides an extra layer of election integrity.

It does, because it requires the commission of a second felony, also with harsh penalties, and it also more easily detected before a ballot is counted.

It's also undeniable that mail-in ballots reduce election integrity, and not requiring ID is just a recipe for fraud.

Correct. However, Trump is addressing this.

The US Postal Service, which handles these ballots, must be able to verify the chain of custody of the ballot, and verify what registered voter it went to and was mailed from. It therefore must have the list of registered voters from each State. Further, the federal government must be able to verify each name on the voter registration data as a genuine citizen properly registered and not expired by change of address or change of status (such as dying).

If a State fails to provide that information, USPS will not process mail in voting. Ballots will simply not go out by mail, and ballots cannot be returned via the mail.

Effectively, then, mass mail in voting collapses for such a State.
The State of Washington has so far refused to provide the federal government with registration information. It therefore is in danger of not being able to conduct an election at all, as required by law. This puts the State of Washington under criminal jeopardy.

 

[Into the Night]

And yet since voter fraud is basically irrelevant in US elections

Fallacy fallacy. Trivial fallacy.

nothing you say has any impact on addressing the results of voting, which is what matters.

Trivial fallacy.

It is an exercise in masturbatory unneeded excess.

Trivial fallacy.

You can argue for restrictions and requirements that go 10 times beyond Trump is requesting and demonstrate they would make it EVEN HARDER and MORE RISKY to vote fraudulently, and so on and so on forever,

So you are incapable of obtaining proof of citizenship, Kewpie?

but again the RESULT would be meaningless.

Trivial fallacy.

 

[Into the Night]

You are using words you do not understand so you need to stay in your lane which is about Grade 2 level.

Yes the Russians did collude with Trump Admin and that has been proven.

Proven false. Yet, you STILL believe it.

Nothing Trump is proposing can stop any foreign country in engaging in influencing campaigns, just as no other country can stop the US from doing it. So there is no hypocrisy (the word you do not understand and wrong use) in pointing out the former while pointing out Trump's fraud proposed measures are MEANINGLESS, which is an accurate and correct thing to say.

Trivial fallacy.

 

[Into the Night]

Quote me saying the "war is illegal" or off to troll ignore you go with the other trolls who lie and make stuff up.

DON'T TRY TO DENY YOUR OWN POSTS!

 

[Into the Night]

buh bye troll.

Termination fallacy. Mantra 1e. Lame.

 

[Into the Night]

Ya the FACTS are what the Marco Rubio lead Senate committee found and what Mueller found both extensively detailed in two different independent reports but whose finding mirror each other.

THESE ARE UNDENYABLE.

A fact is not a proof or Universal Truth, Kewpie. Go learn what 'fact' means.

 

[WCM]

buh bye troll.

We both know that you said "The war is illegal" QP, just like you also would have said that Biden was mentally fit and Trump colluded with Russia, I just haven't been on this forum long enough to know where you said it all.

 

[ZenMode]

Trivial fallacy.

None.

Argument of the Stone fallacy. Denial of history.
You cannot make any evidence just disappear, Void.


Void argument fallacy. TDS.

A phone call is not theft, Void.
Georgia never chose their electoral members.
Biden does not own any State.

Void argument fallacy.

Void argument fallacy. Mantra 1a. Lame.

Again....you had your chance, but you insist on going full retard.