Sailors on USS Lincoln outside Iran are exhausted and suffering from poor morale on ship, families warn

[signalmankenneth]

This is an outrage and a damn shame too?!!

parently, the ship’s doctor or therapist said they need to hit port soon or people are going to start, you know, losing their minds,’ says Bonnie York, whose stepson serves on the carrier.

Morale is plummeting on an American aircraft carrier that's running short of food and other supplies as its exhausted crew wages President Donald Trump's war against Iran, worried family members say.

Sailors and Marines serving on the USS Abraham Lincoln have told relatives about being served a half-cup of rice and two tortillas for a meal, and said the ship's store often lacks soap, deodorant and toothpaste, MS NOW reported Wednesday.

Crew members are also worn out by working long, grueling shifts, with some rarely getting a day off, and described broken toilets, moldy showers without hot water and no laundry service for weeks at a time, relatives said.

“The morale is not good,” said Bonnie York, whose stepson is aboard the Lincoln. “Apparently, the ship’s doctor or therapist said they need to hit port soon or people are going to start, you know, losing their minds.”

The Lincoln and its more than 5,000 personnel arrived in the Middle East in January, after leaving its home port of San Diego in November, according to MS NOW.

Trump launched the war against Iran without congressional approval on February 28 and initially said it would last four to five weeks. On Wednesday, he said a deal to reopen the Strait of Hormuz and help end the war could be announced this week, according to The Associated Press.

Navy veteran Brett Snow, whose son is also on the Lincoln, warned that conditions on the ship could lead to disaster, noting that an aircraft carrier was an extremely hazardous workplace even during peacetime.

“It’s the most dangerous place in the world already, and now you’re grinding it out, day in and day out, with no breaks,” Snow said. “It’s an environment that’s ripe for accidents.”

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/us-sailors-marines-iran-war-uss-lincoln-food-shortage-b3028371.html

 

[Walt]

At least Bush allowed basic supplies to the USS Lincoln when he delayed their return home.

 

[LurchAddams]

This is an outrage and a damn shame too?!!

parently, the ship’s doctor or therapist said they need to hit port soon or people are going to start, you know, losing their minds,’ says Bonnie York, whose stepson serves on the carrier.

Morale is plummeting on an American aircraft carrier that's running short of food and other supplies as its exhausted crew wages President Donald Trump's war against Iran, worried family members say.

Sailors and Marines serving on the USS Abraham Lincoln have told relatives about being served a half-cup of rice and two tortillas for a meal, and said the ship's store often lacks soap, deodorant and toothpaste, MS NOW reported Wednesday.

Crew members are also worn out by working long, grueling shifts, with some rarely getting a day off, and described broken toilets, moldy showers without hot water and no laundry service for weeks at a time, relatives said.

“The morale is not good,” said Bonnie York, whose stepson is aboard the Lincoln. “Apparently, the ship’s doctor or therapist said they need to hit port soon or people are going to start, you know, losing their minds.”

The Lincoln and its more than 5,000 personnel arrived in the Middle East in January, after leaving its home port of San Diego in November, according to MS NOW.

Trump launched the war against Iran without congressional approval on February 28 and initially said it would last four to five weeks. On Wednesday, he said a deal to reopen the Strait of Hormuz and help end the war could be announced this week, according to The Associated Press.

Navy veteran Brett Snow, whose son is also on the Lincoln, warned that conditions on the ship could lead to disaster, noting that an aircraft carrier was an extremely hazardous workplace even during peacetime.

“It’s the most dangerous place in the world already, and now you’re grinding it out, day in and day out, with no breaks,” Snow said. “It’s an environment that’s ripe for accidents.”

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/us-sailors-marines-iran-war-uss-lincoln-food-shortage-b3028371.html

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It's another Rumsfeld - "you go to war with the military you have, not the military you want".

It's a fuckin' war crime committed against our own troops. Fuck trump - seriously!!!!

 

[Tbird19482]

At least Bush allowed basic supplies to the USS Lincoln when he delayed their return home.

Well we all know SOME HOW it has to be all Biden's fault.
Trump never does any thing wrong.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

This is an outrage and a damn shame too?!!

parently, the ship’s doctor or therapist said they need to hit port soon or people are going to start, you know, losing their minds,’ says Bonnie York, whose stepson serves on the carrier.

Morale is plummeting on an American aircraft carrier that's running short of food and other supplies as its exhausted crew wages President Donald Trump's war against Iran, worried family members say.

Sailors and Marines serving on the USS Abraham Lincoln have told relatives about being served a half-cup of rice and two tortillas for a meal, and said the ship's store often lacks soap, deodorant and toothpaste, MS NOW reported Wednesday.

Crew members are also worn out by working long, grueling shifts, with some rarely getting a day off, and described broken toilets, moldy showers without hot water and no laundry service for weeks at a time, relatives said.

“The morale is not good,” said Bonnie York, whose stepson is aboard the Lincoln. “Apparently, the ship’s doctor or therapist said they need to hit port soon or people are going to start, you know, losing their minds.”

The Lincoln and its more than 5,000 personnel arrived in the Middle East in January, after leaving its home port of San Diego in November, according to MS NOW.

Trump launched the war against Iran without congressional approval on February 28 and initially said it would last four to five weeks. On Wednesday, he said a deal to reopen the Strait of Hormuz and help end the war could be announced this week, according to The Associated Press.

Navy veteran Brett Snow, whose son is also on the Lincoln, warned that conditions on the ship could lead to disaster, noting that an aircraft carrier was an extremely hazardous workplace even during peacetime.

“It’s the most dangerous place in the world already, and now you’re grinding it out, day in and day out, with no breaks,” Snow said. “It’s an environment that’s ripe for accidents.”

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/us-sailors-marines-iran-war-uss-lincoln-food-shortage-b3028371.html

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This is absurd. It's beyond stupid. "Holes in the fight deck?" That is beyond idiotic. The flight deck on a carrier is several inches thick steel (I can't give the actual measurement because it's classified).

The salior with the cardboard sign is another dead give away. The ship is at sea and he's on the flight deck in dress blues? That is utter bullshit. He'd be in utilities with a colored vest and a 'cranial' on.

I did 124 days in the IO on the 'prize straight. We got 2 warm beers on the hanger bay after 90 days at sea. A nuclear powered carrier can make all the water they need. There's at least 6 massive stills to make freshwater aboard. And you can supply the ship with just 3 of those.

"Tortillas and rice?" This too is beyond stupid. BS NOW is full of shit.

 

[Nordberg]

Trump shows you that he only cares about himself. It is blatant and obvious. Those sailors are suckers to him. He is using them without any thought about them.

 

[Lionfish]

This is an outrage and a damn shame too?!!

parently, the ship’s doctor or therapist said they need to hit port soon or people are going to start, you know, losing their minds,’ says Bonnie York, whose stepson serves on the carrier.

Morale is plummeting on an American aircraft carrier that's running short of food and other supplies as its exhausted crew wages President Donald Trump's war against Iran, worried family members say.

Sailors and Marines serving on the USS Abraham Lincoln have told relatives about being served a half-cup of rice and two tortillas for a meal, and said the ship's store often lacks soap, deodorant and toothpaste, MS NOW reported Wednesday.

Crew members are also worn out by working long, grueling shifts, with some rarely getting a day off, and described broken toilets, moldy showers without hot water and no laundry service for weeks at a time, relatives said.

“The morale is not good,” said Bonnie York, whose stepson is aboard the Lincoln. “Apparently, the ship’s doctor or therapist said they need to hit port soon or people are going to start, you know, losing their minds.”

The Lincoln and its more than 5,000 personnel arrived in the Middle East in January, after leaving its home port of San Diego in November, according to MS NOW.

Trump launched the war against Iran without congressional approval on February 28 and initially said it would last four to five weeks. On Wednesday, he said a deal to reopen the Strait of Hormuz and help end the war could be announced this week, according to The Associated Press.

Navy veteran Brett Snow, whose son is also on the Lincoln, warned that conditions on the ship could lead to disaster, noting that an aircraft carrier was an extremely hazardous workplace even during peacetime.

“It’s the most dangerous place in the world already, and now you’re grinding it out, day in and day out, with no breaks,” Snow said. “It’s an environment that’s ripe for accidents.”

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/us-sailors-marines-iran-war-uss-lincoln-food-shortage-b3028371.html

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Fuck you asshole. You supported the assassination of your president so, fuck you!

 

[goat]

This is absurd. It's beyond stupid. "Holes in the fight deck?" That is beyond idiotic. The flight deck on a carrier is several inches thick steel (I can't give the actual measurement because it's classified).

The salior with the cardboard sign is another dead give away. The ship is at sea and he's on the flight deck in dress blues? That is utter bullshit. He'd be in utilities with a colored vest and a 'cranial' on.

I did 124 days in the IO on the 'prize straight. We got 2 warm beers on the hanger bay after 90 days at sea. A nuclear powered carrier can make all the water they need. There's at least 6 massive stills to make freshwater aboard. And you can supply the ship with just 3 of those.

"Tortillas and rice?" This too is beyond stupid. BS NOW is full of shit.

Plus he looks well fed compared to sailors and marines on the Lincoln.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Further, broken toilets are an issue that the Repair or Engineering officer should be dealing with. Mold in the showers, if it exists, is a problem that can be easily taken care of since these are stainless steel. Whatever coop cleaner(s) isn't doing their job properly can always be given negative incentive via mast (NJP) and ending up with an even shitter job, pun intended. Same with the laundry.

On the 'prize, something like the laundry issue happened along with ice machines, ice cream machines, and other galley and service equipment breaking down. Their maintenance was taken away from R Division and assigned by the Engineer to E Division and shop E 22 was stood up. I was one of several nukes put in the shop and was assigned as supply PO. In less than a month, the shop had close to 95% of the equipment back working because the quality of the technicians was so much higher than with the R Division rejects.

If what was said in the OP, were true and verified, I could see the Repair or Engineering officer relieved for cause along with several relevant subordinates and replaced with people that will fix things. The Navy does that all the time.

 

[Hawkeye10]

Navy morale is a long running well known problem. Over work and poor training is a lot of it, but also that for a couple of decades the wrong officers have been picked for advancement. There have also been many questionable firings of commanders. Navy culture has long been under attack from DEI types at the Pentagon.

 

[Hawkeye10]

Further, broken toilets are an issue that the Repair or Engineering officer should be dealing with. Mold in the showers, if it exists, is a problem that can be easily taken care of since these are stainless steel. Whatever coop cleaner(s) isn't doing their job properly can always be given negative incentive via mast (NJP) and ending up with an even shitter job, pun intended. Same with the laundry.

On the 'prize, something like the laundry issue happened along with ice machines, ice cream machines, and other galley and service equipment breaking down. Their maintenance was taken away from R Division and assigned by the Engineer to E Division and shop E 22 was stood up. I was one of several nukes put in the shop and was assigned as supply PO. In less than a month, the shop had close to 95% of the equipment back working because the quality of the technicians was so much higher than with the R Division rejects.

If what was said in the OP, were true and verified, I could see the Repair or Engineering officer relieved for cause along with several relevant subordinates and replaced with people that will fix things. The Navy does that all the time.

I would not assume that the basics are getting done....this is not the Navy we once had.

 

[Walt]

Further, broken toilets are an issue that the Repair or Engineering officer should be dealing with. Mold in the showers, if it exists, is a problem that can be easily taken care of since these are stainless steel. Whatever coop cleaner(s) isn't doing their job properly can always be given negative incentive via mast (NJP) and ending up with an even shitter job, pun intended. Same with the laundry.

Everything is fixable... If only there were supplies being delivered to the ship.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Everything is fixable... If only there were supplies being delivered to the ship.

The ship carries lots of spares. Unreps occur about 5 days to once a week. The COD brings mail and critical parts most days. When I was working in EE 22 on the 'prize I could go straight to the supply officer with a list of parts we needed for whatever because of the urgency of getting all that MWR and galley / laundry gear working. The parts would show up usually in less than 72 hours from somewhere. The most common things that broke, like steam table rheostats, I just kept a box of like 20 or 30 in the shop to issue.

For toilets, about the only part that can break and need replacement is the flushometer.

If the pipes clog from saltwater reacting with urea, you use really hot, fresh, water to clear the clog. Otherwise, you snake the line just like on any other plumbing system if there's a clog.

 

[Walt]

The ship carries lots of spares.

So far this is a 9 month deployment, with an unknown number of months to go. There is no plan for an end any time soon. The USS Ford just had an 11 month deployment, but this will go longer. They are preparing for the possibility of a two year deployment. With budget cuts, they are having to do this all on a shoe string budget. Obviously, jet fuel takes priority, and jet fuel just costs more these days.

If the pipes clog from saltwater reacting with urea, you use really hot, fresh, water to clear the clog. Otherwise, you snake the line just like on any other plumbing system if there's a clog.

It sounds like you have a lot of experience with toilets. I will only point out that everything in life requires supplies.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

So far this is a 9 month deployment, with an unknown number of months to go. There is no plan for an end any time soon. The USS Ford just had an 11 month deployment, but this will go longer. They are preparing for the possibility of a two year deployment. With budget cuts, they are having to do this all on a shoe string budget. Obviously, jet fuel takes priority, and jet fuel just costs more these days.

So? The crew gets paid the same whether they're at sea in the IO or tied to a pier in Norfolk VA. The only real difference is with the air wing. They get slightly higher pay at sea and the aircraft tend to fly more. JP 5 isn't that expensive as it is mostly kerosene.

It sounds like you have a lot of experience with toilets. I will only point out that everything in life requires supplies.

I have a lot of experience with US Navy ships and fixing them in general. The real problem is the general experience and technical level of the crew.

By the by, when you are at sea like that, you absolutely make bank on pay. There's nothing to spend it on really so you just get paycheck after paycheck. For me that'd be about $11,000 a month on the current pay scale with all the add ins like BAS, BAH, sea pay, proficiency pay, etc.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Navy morale is a long running well known problem. Over work and poor training is a lot of it, but also that for a couple of decades the wrong officers have been picked for advancement. There have also been many questionable firings of commanders. Navy culture has long been under attack from DEI types at the Pentagon.

That's far, far more about retention than it is about personnel on a ship doing their job.

 

[Walt]

So?

A two year deployment would be brutal in a way that is hard to understand. Things are going to break we cannot even guess.

11 months is about the most anyone has ever done. When it was done in Vietnam, the USS Midway was basically stationed so close to the Philippines, they were nearly in port. The USS Ford could not do that in the Middle East.

The crew gets paid the same whether they're at sea in the IO or tied to a pier in Norfolk VA.

No, they don't. Why would you even think something so crazy?

Besides, we are talking about supplies getting to them. It is much easier to get supplies to a ship tied to a pier in Norfolk.

JP 5 isn't that expensive as it is mostly kerosene.

Where do you think kerosene comes from? I will give you a hint, it is called crude oil. The closest refinery would be in the Gulf, so not accessible. Then there is the Philippines which gets its oil mostly from the Gulf, which means much more expensive. I am hearing wholesale prices of over $200 a barrel.

By the by, when you are at sea like that, you absolutely make bank on pay.

The crew gets paid the same whether they're at sea in the IO or tied to a pier in Norfolk VA.

Usually Gardner contradicts himself in different posts, not the same.

There's nothing to spend it on really so you just get paycheck after paycheck.

Assuming you have no family at home... I guess, but that is the problem here. They are cutoff from supplies.

For me that'd be about $11,000 a month on the current pay scale with all the add ins like BAS, BAH, sea pay, proficiency pay, etc.

I have a hard time believing an enlisted man fixing toilets is making $11k a month. You would need to be an O-6 or higher, and I doubt many O-6's are fixing toilets. If they are, there is something seriously going wrong on that ship.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

A two year deployment would be brutal in a way that is hard to understand. Things are going to break we cannot even guess.

I can. I lived on ship on the Enterprise for 4 years 2 months. I went on two West Pacs while aboard. Stuff broke. We fixed it or found a way to keep going without it. When one of the main bearings on #4 shaft got wiped the shaft was trailed and locked and we steamed on three screws. That's how things work.

11 months is about the most anyone has ever done. When it was done in Vietnam, the USS Midway was basically stationed so close to the Philippines, they were nearly in port. The USS Ford could not do that in the Middle East.

Not in the Navy.

No, they don't. Why would you even think something so crazy?

Because I've been to sea with the Navy, and not just a little bit.

Besides, we are talking about supplies getting to them. It is much easier to get supplies to a ship tied to a pier in Norfolk.

The only difference is distance, and that can be scheduled for the regular deliveries. For critical things, they can be flown out to the carrier from anywhere in less than 72 hours.

Where do you think kerosene comes from? I will give you a hint, it is called crude oil. The closest refinery would be in the Gulf, so not accessible. Then there is the Philippines which gets its oil mostly from the Gulf, which means much more expensive. I am hearing wholesale prices of over $200 a barrel.

It's a biproduct of distillation of crude oil. Today its major application is as jet fuel. As for prices, you heard wrong.

Assuming you have no family at home... I guess, but that is the problem here. They are cutoff from supplies.

Not today. Your paycheck is direct deposited. Aboard ship, a cashless system is used with something like a debit card issued to each crew member.

I have a hard time believing an enlisted man fixing toilets is making $11k a month. You would need to be an O-6 or higher, and I doubt many O-6's are fixing toilets. If they are, there is something seriously going wrong on that ship.

I was talking E-7 over 24 years. An E-5 fixing toilets would make about $5 to $6,000 a month.

 

[Walt]

I lived on ship on the Enterprise for 4 years 2 months.

The longest deployment was 11 months. One of those 11 month deployments was mostly just over the horizon in the Philippines. The other was recent. A two year deployment would be another level of misery. You did not experience a four year deployment, because there is no such thing as a four year deployment.

 

[Hawkeye10]

The longest deployment was 11 months. One of those 11 month deployments was mostly just over the horizon in the Philippines. The other was recent. A two year deployment would be another level of misery. You did not experience a four year deployment, because there is no such thing as a four year deployment.

Living on a boat and being deployed are not the same thing.