Everyone understands that Socialism is not Communism, right?

[QP!]

Socialism is the control of goods and services (GDP), Communism is the ownership of goods and services.

Control is close to ownership and Socialism and Communism treats everyone (except the leadership) equally...everyone suffers equally.

And Trump style fascism is the control and transfer and goods and services to controlled Oligarchs while also declaring thought crimes, while everyone suffers but not equally, as his in group will do very well.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

The corporations are all too often subsidized by the tax payers via lobbying and sweat heart deals.

I would argue that would only get worse, far worse, under Socialism. Then those corporations are either government entities or entirely beholden to the government (too big to fail...).

 

[Life is Golden]

For days now, The Sleepy PP, has tried to equate the two, you do know they are not the same thing, right?

Just a stone's throw away from it.

 

[QP!]

I would argue that would only get worse, far worse, under Socialism. Then those corporations are either government entities or entirely beholden to the government (too big to fail...).

then under a regular Democracy... i agree.

Under Trump style fascism... no.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

then under a regular Democracy... i agree.

Under Trump style fascism... no.

 

[QP!]

 

[Nordberg]

I would argue that would only get worse, far worse, under Socialism. Then those corporations are either government entities or entirely beholden to the government (too big to fail...).

You have no argument. In our oligopoly, the few on top make out like bandits. The masses suffer. Corporations are buildings and organizations.It is the owners and execs who are looting us all.https://www.google.com/search?q=Elizabeth+Warren+on+fire+engines&sca_esv=9ce9585bc280c1d5&rlz=1CCYRPB_enUS1201&biw=1600&bih=813&sxsrf=APpeQntTUdKnzeAUsWFLwi8FJf7RPVBNXA%3A178727454316
For those who will not put 9 minutes into her video, some financial organization bought up the 9 manufacturers of Fire Engines. They more than doubled the prices of Fire Engines and safety vehicles. It can take 4 years to get one, when it took a fraction of that before. Because of the costs, they often have to cut back on firemen and mechanics,
Those on top of the money pile are as cold and cruel as dictators. The wealthy do not care about you, and that includes Trump and his administration.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

You have no argument. In our oligopoly, the few on top make out like bandits. The masses suffer. Corporations are buildings and organizations.It is the owners and execs who are looting us all.https://www.google.com/search?q=Elizabeth+Warren+on+fire+engines&sca_esv=9ce9585bc280c1d5&rlz=1CCYRPB_enUS1201&biw=1600&bih=813&sxsrf=APpeQntTUdKnzeAUsWFLwi8FJf7RPVBNXA%3A178727454316
For those who will not put 9 minutes into her video, some financial organization bought up the 9 manufacturers of Fire Engines. They more than doubled the prices of Fire Engines and safety vehicles. It can take 4 years to get one, when it took a fraction of that before. Because of the costs, they often have to cut back on firemen and mechanics,
Those on top of the money pile are as cold and cruel as dictators. The wealthy do not care about you, and that includes Trump and his administration.

Well, Pocahantas is wrong. She's truly an idiot.

First, there are at least 28 manufacturers of fire trucks selling in the US:

Inven 2026

www.inven.ai

That aside, there is the problem of government bidding process and Massachusetts is one of the worst states for that.

'Everyone Pays the Price': Rising Cost of Fire Trucks Affects Firefighters, Residents, and Taxpayers - We-Ha | West Hartford News

At a press conference in West Hartford on Tuesday, Jan. […]

we-ha.com

Mass. communities wait longer, and pay more, for fire trucks

A bipartisan group of U.S. senators points the finger at a near-monopoly in the fire truck manufacturing industry.

www.masslive.com

So, don't substitute Democrat stupidity and a massive, incompetent, bureaucracy with it being corporation's fault. Maybe Warren should look at things like vehicle safety and environmental regulations that she voted yes on to make those vehicles marginally (like 1 to 2% safer or environmentally cleaner) but massively raised the cost. Consumer new cars are the same exact way for the same exact reason.

Warren is a fucking retard.

 

[Jarod]

Just a stone's throw away from it.

False, very different. For example one can be DEMOCRATIC. One has private enterprise. One has personal property.

Are you really this badly uneducated?

 

[Life is Golden]

False, very different. For example one can be DEMOCRATIC. One has private enterprise. One has personal property.

Are you really this badly uneducated?

Different doesn’t mean unrelated. Socialism and communism share ideological roots, and Marx viewed socialism as a stage toward communism. Maybe skip the “uneducated” insult and read a history book.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Yes those at socialist companies are living in misery.

No, citizens held down by a Socialist government are.

 

[IBDaMann]

They both redistribute most or all of the wealth. Communists just take it all at the point of a gun barrel.

Incorrect. Socialists take everything by force. By the time Communism emerges, there aren't any guns and there aren't any weapons.

Socialists sugar coat it by saying shit like "We voted and the majority ruled..." or, "It's only fair and equal!"

Socialists don't-sugar coat anything, in the same way brown shirts don't sugar-coat anything. Socialists kick in the door at 3:00 a.m. and take whatever they want.

Communists, on the other hand, are all talk because there can never be any Communism in practice.

Like I said, the difference is the Socialists say "Please" ...

Booooooolsch't

The Communists are honest about it.

Incorrect. This would imply that Communists are somehow honest at times.

 

[Lionfish]

 

[Lionfish]

 

[Lionfish]

 

[serendipity]

Explain, in details, how they are the same thing.

Socialism was always intended as interim step towards Communism.

 

[serendipity]

Explain, in details, how they are the same thing.

Socialism was always intended as an interim step towards Communism.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

 

[Into the Night]

The corporations are all too often subsidized by the tax payers via lobbying and sweat heart deals.

Magick Words (corporations, subsidy, tax payer). Buzzword fallacies.
What is a 'sweat heart deal', Kewpie?

Corporations are not subsidized.

 

[Into the Night]

Hey dunce. It is the big corporations who lobby intensely and who get tons of subsidizies.

Illiteracy: misspelled words.
What subsidies?

You need to be smarter because what you saying being true (small businesses not getting lobbying breaks) DOES NOT make my point, of big corporations getting lobbying breaks.

Be less stupid.

Magick Words( subsidy, big corporations, lobbying break). Buzzword fallacies.

What about the subsidies YOU are receiving, Kewpie?