Everyone understands that Socialism is not Communism, right?

[Into the Night]

Socialism is the control of goods and services (GDP), Communism is the ownership of goods and services.

Control is close to ownership and Socialism and Communism treats everyone (except the leadership) equally...everyone suffers equally.

Not quite right.
FASCISM is the manipulation of markets (control of goods and services).
COMMUNISM is the ownership of markets (ownership of goods and services).

BOTH are forms of socialism.

 

[Into the Night]

Fascism was always intended as an interim step towards Communism.

FTFY

Both fascism and communism are forms of socialism.
See the writings of Karl Marx.

 

[Into the Night]

And Trump style fascism is the control and transfer and goods and services to controlled Oligarchs while also declaring thought crimes, while everyone suffers but not equally, as his in group will do very well.

Trump is not a socialist, Kewpie. He's a capitalist. Fascism is a form of socialism, like Democrats.
It is DEMOCRATS that want an oligarchy or dictatorship.

 

[Into the Night]

then under a regular Democracy... i agree.

Under Trump style fascism... no.

Trump is not a socialist, Kewpie.
DEMOCRATS are.

Fascism is not a form of government.

There are currently no democracies anywhere in the world.

 

[Into the Night]

You do.

 

[Into the Night]

You have no argument.

Argument of the Stone fallacy.

In our oligopoly, the few on top make out like bandits.

What 'oligopoly'??

The masses suffer.

This is what Democrats want.

Corporations are buildings and organizations.

Corporations are a form of business organization. It is not a building.

It is the owners and execs who are looting us all.https://www.google.com/search?

How? If you don't like a corporations products or services, don't buy from them. It really is very simple.

For those who will not put 9 minutes into her video, some financial organization bought up the 9 manufacturers of Fire Engines.

Which is quite a few, considering how specialized such vehicles are.

They more than doubled the prices of Fire Engines and safety vehicles.

There is no set price for such vehicles, Sybil. They are individually contracted.

It can take 4 years to get one, when it took a fraction of that before.

It doesn't take that long to build a fire engine, Sybil.

Because of the costs, they often have to cut back on firemen and mechanics,

People that build fire engines don't provide firemen.
The more fire engines being built, the more mechanics.

Those on top of the money pile are as cold and cruel as dictators.

Magick Words (money pile, cold and cruel, dictator). Buzzword fallacies.
What 'money pile'?

The wealthy do not care about you, and that includes Trump and his administration.

They certainly do. That's how they became wealthy.

You're just jealous.

 

[Into the Night]

False, very different. For example one can be DEMOCRATIC. One has private enterprise. One has personal property.

Are you really this badly uneducated?

There are currently no democracies in the world, Pretender.
It is YOU that is badly educated. You don't even know English.

 

[Into the Night]

Different doesn’t mean unrelated. Socialism and communism share ideological roots, and Marx viewed socialism as a stage toward communism. Maybe skip the “uneducated” insult and read a history book.

Go read up on Karl Marx again. He never said any such thing.

FASCISM is the stepping stone to communism.
BOTH are forms of socialism.

 

[Into the Night]

Incorrect. Socialists take everything by force. By the time Communism emerges, there aren't any guns and there aren't any weapons.

There are, since it is not possible to destroy every weapon. Anything can be a weapon.

 

[IBDaMann]

There are, since it is not possible to destroy every weapon. Anything can be a weapon.

I hear what you are saying, but you are simply explaining why communism cannot emerge.

 

[Lionfish]

 

[Into the Night]

I hear what you are saying, but you are simply explaining why communism cannot emerge.

It can. Communism exists in every nation.

 

[IBDaMann]

It can. Communism exists in every nation.

Nope. Communism doesn't exist anywhere. Socialism exists, but not Communism.

 

[Into the Night]

Nope. Communism doesn't exist anywhere. Socialism exists, but not Communism.

Communism exists in every nation.

In the United States one example is the Federal Reserve.

In Canada an example is the government healthcare system.

Socialism also exists in every nation, since communism is but one form of socialism.
Fascism is another.

Examples of fascism are zoning boards, the Dept of Energy, the Dept of Ecology, etc.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Democratic Socialism is an oxymoron. It is not possible to have a Socialist system and have it work with Democracy.

 

[IBDaMann]

Communism exists in every nation.

You've said that before. There is no communism anywhere.

In the United States one example is the Federal Reserve.

I'm not sure how you can point to any governing hierarchy and cite it as an example of anarchy (communism). Communism requires the abolition of the state into a classless society (Marxist anarchy).

If, however, you are talking about socialism, then you could make a strong argument based on the governing oligarchy.

In Canada an example is the government healthcare system.

This is socialism; it is provided by the government, not by people simply happy to help others.

Socialism also exists in every nation, since communism is but one form of socialism.

Communism is not socialism and vice-versa. Both communism and socialism are "stages" in the Marxist struggle of the proletariat. An infant is not a teenager is not an elderly person.

Fascism is another.

Fascism is a flavor of socialism, i.e. the marketing is changed from the "struggle of the proletariat" to the "nationalism of the people."

Examples of fascism are numerous, as are other flavors of socialism.

 

[QP!]

Democratic Socialism is an oxymoron. It is not possible to have a Socialist system and have it work with Democracy.

The term works mainly because of the way the right abuses the word Socialism, labeling everything from government health insurance to tiny programs as "Socialism ".

Once the abuse the term then Democratic Socialism makes sense if those programs are enacted via a populist vote and are the choice of the people.

 

[IBDaMann]

Democratic Socialism is an oxymoron. It is not possible to have a Socialist system and have it work with Democracy.

You would be spot on if the word "democratic/democracy" weren't a de facto euphemism employed by leftists to mean socialism. This is why Democrats are always injecting the word "democracy" into their narratives, and why Democrats are always harping on the "popular vote", i.e. they HATE the republic, its Constitution and its protections for minorities. The US is not a democracy, but Democrats will insist that it is, as they work tirelessly to dismantle the Constitution.

 

[Sailor]

The term works mainly because of the way the right abuses the word Socialism, labeling everything from government health insurance to tiny programs as "Socialism ".

Once the abuse the term then Democratic Socialism makes sense if those programs are enacted via a populist vote and are the choice of the people.

So you are saying this is socialism, and they just made it sound better to ensnare the gullible. That is insidious.

 

[Into the Night]

The term works mainly because of the way the right abuses the word Socialism, labeling everything from government health insurance to tiny programs as "Socialism ".

Government owned and mandated health insurance programs IS socialism, Kewpie.

Once the abuse the term then Democratic Socialism makes sense if those programs are enacted via a populist vote and are the choice of the people.

I won't be, since all socialism is based on theft of wealth can is usually implemented by force and tyranny. This is why you want an oligarchy or dictatorship.