Losing 18 soldiers is not that bad…

[Jarod]

That is NOT true. 18 were killed during a disastrous rout and total collapse of a nation into the arms of primitive thugs on the order of a grossly incompetent Commander In Chief. It was a disaster on the scale of the US retreat from Vietnam.

The Afghan war may have ended for the US, but it ended in a disastrous rout ordered by just one man: Autopen.

Silly, he got the war over, the nation was always going to collapse when we left, it’s why nobody before Biden had the balls. Trump sure as shit didn’t. Keeping it going would have cost more loss of like, like happened w Trump.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Silly, he got the war over, the nation was always going to collapse when we left,

Then don't leave until it is stable, or change what you are doing to make it stable.

it’s why nobody before Biden had the balls.

Autopen has no balls, but if he did, Jill would keep them in the freezer for him.

Trump sure as shit didn’t.

Didn't what?

Keeping it going would have cost more loss of like, like happened w Trump.

There is no proof of that.

All that aside, ending the US involvement in a disastrous rout was a major black mark and negative on Autopen's resume.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Brandon lost them while retreating.

More like running away in a panic with his tail between his legs.

 

[volsrocks]

Trump VS Obama


During President Barack Obama's second term (2013–2017), 141 U.S. service members were killed in action (KIA) in Afghanistan.

Approximately 2,500 U.S. military service members died during the eight years of Barack Obama's presidency



Sixty-seven U.S. service members were killed in hostile action during President Donald Trump's first term from 2017 to 2021.

And 18 so far in second for a total of 85


2500
- 85 = 2415
.
Trump has a ways to go to pass Obama

 

[QP!]

Leaving Bagram and all the munitions, supplies, and aircraft was not necessary.

Nothing is forever QPeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.

Trump having american soldiers killed for no reason was not necessary.

Soldiers lives being wasted unnecessarily is worse that equipment loss.

And ya, you can be ok with the Afghan and Vietnam war saying 'THEY DID NOT LAST FOREVER AND THUS WERE OK" but none of us agree with you.

 

[QP!]

That is NOT true. 18 were killed during a disastrous rout and total collapse of a nation into the arms of primitive thugs on the order of a grossly incompetent Commander In Chief. It was a disaster on the scale of the US retreat from Vietnam.

The Afghan war may have ended for the US, but it ended in a disastrous rout ordered by just one man: Autopen.

That is garbage propaganda ignoring reality.

Trump was the one who negotiated with Terrorists while shutting out the Gov't the US needed to cover their rear, as they left. He did that knowing it would lead to instant gov't collapse as was predictable.

So while Biden did what no prior Potus could do, including Trump in two terms, he did so in a way that minimized the disaster that Trump set up.

 

[QP!]

Then don't leave until it is stable, or change what you are doing to make it stable.

...

Yes just stay forever in a forever war or stay in Afghan/Iraq/Iran until it they are stable. FLOL.

Terry and his call for the US to get locked in more forever wars. So pathetic and yet predictable.

No. Biden getting America out when Trump failed twice was a good thing.

 

[Jarod]

Leaving Bagram and all the munitions, supplies, and aircraft was not necessary.

Nothing is forever QPeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.

Death

 

[Jarod]

Yes just stay forever in a forever war or stay in Afghan/Iraq/Iran until it they are stable. FLOL.

Terry and his call for the US to get locked in more forever wars. So pathetic and yet predictable.

No. Biden getting America out when Trump failed twice was a good thing.

It saved lives.

 

[Nordberg]

Biden left on the

Then don't leave until it is stable, or change what you are doing to make it stable.


Autopen has no balls, but if he did, Jill would keep them in the freezer for him.


Didn't what?

There is no proof of that.

All that aside, ending the US involvement in a disastrous rout was a major black mark and negative on Autopen's resume.

Biden left on the date that Trump made an agreement to leave. Back then, deals and agreements mattered. He would have been criticized by the right for not leaving on the agreed date.

 

[Jarod]

I

That is NOT true. 18 were killed during a disastrous rout and total collapse of a nation into the arms of primitive thugs on the order of a grossly incompetent Commander In Chief. It was a disaster on the scale of the US retreat from Vietnam.

The Afghan war may have ended for the US, but it ended in a disastrous rout ordered by just one man: Autopen.

t saved lives.

 

[Ross Dolan]

That is NOT true. 18 were killed during a disastrous rout and total collapse of a nation into the arms of primitive thugs on the order of a grossly incompetent Commander In Chief. It was a disaster on the scale of the US retreat from Vietnam.

The Afghan war may have ended for the US, but it ended in a disastrous rout ordered by just one man: Autopen.

HORSE SHIT.

 

[Tbird19482]

While ending the war. The war started by a Republican and that Trump never had the balls to end. More died in Trumps term.

NO you are wrong on that one.
Trump was the one that signed the agreement with the Taliban giving them EVERYTHING they had been fighting for for 20 years. Biden was Just carrying it out.

Technical Difficulties

If it says Tech, Diff, just press on it and it will show up.
If you read it you will see as I said Trump gave them everything and on top of it agreed to HELP them , and in it you will see he put the welfare of our military people and our allies in the hands of the people we were fighting and killing for 20 years for safe keeping, WHO in the hell is sooooo stupid that they put the welfare of the people that were fighting into the hands of the people they had been fighting and killing for 20 years?
YEP please take time and read it, as I said Trump signed it and gave the Taliban EVERYTHING.

 

[Jarod]

NO you are wrong on that one.
Trump was the one that signed the agreement with the Taliban giving them EVERYTHING they had been fighting for for 20 years. Biden was Just carrying it out.

Technical Difficulties

If it says Tech, Diff, just press on it and it will show up.
If you read it you will see as I said Trump gave them everything and on top of it agreed to HELP them , and in it you will see he put the welfare of our military people and our allies in the hands of the people we were fighting and killing for 20 years for safe keeping, WHO in the hell is sooooo stupid that they put the welfare of the people that were fighting into the hands of the people they had been fighting and killing for 20 years?
YEP please take time and read it, as I said Trump signed it and gave the Taliban EVERYTHING.

I know Trump set it up, but he never pulled the trigger and scheduled it for after the election. That way he could chicken out.

 

[Tbird19482]

That is garbage propaganda ignoring reality.

Trump was the one who negotiated with Terrorists while shutting out the Gov't the US needed to cover their rear, as they left. He did that knowing it would lead to instant gov't collapse as was predictable.

So while Biden did what no prior Potus could do, including Trump in two terms, he did so in a way that minimized the disaster that Trump set up.

Here it is.

Technical Difficulties

 

[Jarod]

NO you are wrong on that one.
Trump was the one that signed the agreement with the Taliban giving them EVERYTHING they had been fighting for for 20 years. Biden was Just carrying it out.

Technical Difficulties

If it says Tech, Diff, just press on it and it will show up.
If you read it you will see as I said Trump gave them everything and on top of it agreed to HELP them , and in it you will see he put the welfare of our military people and our allies in the hands of the people we were fighting and killing for 20 years for safe keeping, WHO in the hell is sooooo stupid that they put the welfare of the people that were fighting into the hands of the people they had been fighting and killing for 20 years?
YEP please take time and read it, as I said Trump signed it and gave the Taliban EVERYTHING.

I know Trump set it up, but he never pulled the trigger and scheduled it for after the election. That way he could chicken out.

 

[QP!]

Biden left on the

Biden left on the date that Trump made an agreement to leave. Back then, deals and agreements mattered. He would have been criticized by the right for not leaving on the agreed date.

Worse than that.

had Biden decided the Trump deal to leave was so flawed and delayed it and that freaked out the Taliban wondering it the new Potus would not leave and they decided to kill some soldiers to let Biden know that not honoring the deal would come with great cost, Terry and other Magats would be here saying now 'how Trump gift wrapped an AGREED TO DEAL for exit and all Biden had to do was follow it and he was too incompetent to do that and thus the deaths are on him'.

Withdrawals from lost wars are always messy and Trump's terrible negotiating where he sat down with the TERRORISTS ONLY while shutting the gov't out, was a preset disaster set on a time bomb that had no path out with out losses.

Biden did better than all those before him, including Trump twice, by managing what they COULD NOT, and that was actually get the US and end the yearly deaths.

 

[Tbird19482]

I know Trump set it up, but he never pulled the trigger and scheduled it for after the election. That way he could chicken out.

YA That way if the Taliban fucked us , and they did, it wouldn't be his fault even though HE was the one that signed the agreement.
Again who the fuck is so stupid that they put the safety of their people into the hands of the people you have been fighting for 20 years.
Trump was so stupid.

 

[Crepitus]

Biden lost 13 in one day

And that was with real grown-ups in charge. Can you imagine the carnage if tRump had tried?

 

[T. A. Gardner]

That is garbage propaganda ignoring reality.

Trump was the one who negotiated with Terrorists while shutting out the Gov't the US needed to cover their rear, as they left. He did that knowing it would lead to instant gov't collapse as was predictable.

Biden was under no obligation to continue with what Trump did. Biden ended, often immediately, many other things Trump started and were in progress, so he could have done that here too. Instead, he shortened Trump's timetable, and forced a rushed and chaotic withdrawal on the military.

Your position is garbage.

So while Biden did what no prior Potus could do, including Trump in two terms, he did so in a way that minimized the disaster that Trump set up.

What? Biden presided over a rout, a singular event in US military history, so in that sense, yes he did what no prior POTUS had done, hand a foreign enemy a US defeat that looked horrific.

Biden accelerated what Trump did, and you have no proof that if Trump had carried out his negotiated plan it would have turned out the same way.