Hitler was on the Right side of the spectrum. . .

T. A. Gardner said:
Wrong. History is the use of facts and factual events to produce a narrative of what happened. You don't simply get to make up words and their meaning like Humpty Dumpty.
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So when I said no historian agrees with your terminology, you said they are all wrong
 
Hume said:
No political scientist would agree. Nor do I agree.
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derp derp

  • Carl J. Friedrich — Harvard political scientist and former president of the American Political Science Association. In Totalitarian Dictatorship and Autocracy, Friedrich and Brzezinski identified six characteristics of totalitarian systems, including one-party dictatorship, coercive state power, and a centrally directed economy. Their model explicitly included the Soviet communist system.
  • Zbigniew Brzezinski — political scientist and longtime Columbia professor. He coauthored that same work and spent much of his academic career studying Soviet communism and the political structure of the Communist bloc.
  • James C. Scott — Yale political scientist. Seeing Like a State is essentially a lengthy critique of centralized social engineering. His cases include Soviet collectivization, Mao’s Great Leap Forward, and compulsory collectivist programs, and he specifically identifies authoritarian state power and weak civil society as ingredients in these disasters.
  • R. J. Rummel — professor of political science at the University of Hawaii. His research contrasted liberal democracy with totalitarian regimes and argued that concentrated, unchecked state power was strongly associated with repression and mass killing. Communist governments were central cases in his work.
  • Juan Linz — one of the major scholars of authoritarianism and totalitarianism. His classic regime typology explicitly treated Communist totalitarian systems as a distinct form of nondemocratic government.
  • Giovanni Sartori — major comparative political scientist who defended the usefulness of the concept of totalitarianism against scholars who wanted to discard it, including its application to Communist regimes.
  • Seymour Martin Lipset — Harvard/Stanford political scientist and sociologist. He famously wrote about working-class authoritarianism, directly rejecting the idea that authoritarianism was exclusively a phenomenon of the political right.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
That is just an Appeal to authority logical fallacy.
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If all historians are wrong,
zymurgy said:
derp derp

  • Carl J. Friedrich — Harvard political scientist and former president of the American Political Science Association. In Totalitarian Dictatorship and Autocracy, Friedrich and Brzezinski identified six characteristics of totalitarian systems, including one-party dictatorship, coercive state power, and a centrally directed economy. Their model explicitly included the Soviet communist system.
  • Zbigniew Brzezinski — political scientist and longtime Columbia professor. He coauthored that same work and spent much of his academic career studying Soviet communism and the political structure of the Communist bloc.
  • James C. Scott — Yale political scientist. Seeing Like a State is essentially a lengthy critique of centralized social engineering. His cases include Soviet collectivization, Mao’s Great Leap Forward, and compulsory collectivist programs, and he specifically identifies authoritarian state power and weak civil society as ingredients in these disasters.
  • R. J. Rummel — professor of political science at the University of Hawaii. His research contrasted liberal democracy with totalitarian regimes and argued that concentrated, unchecked state power was strongly associated with repression and mass killing. Communist governments were central cases in his work.
  • Juan Linz — one of the major scholars of authoritarianism and totalitarianism. His classic regime typology explicitly treated Communist totalitarian systems as a distinct form of nondemocratic government.
  • Giovanni Sartori — major comparative political scientist who defended the usefulness of the concept of totalitarianism against scholars who wanted to discard it, including its application to Communist regimes.
  • Seymour Martin Lipset — Harvard/Stanford political scientist and sociologist. He famously wrote about working-class authoritarianism, directly rejecting the idea that authoritarianism was exclusively a phenomenon of the political right.
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derp derp
 
Hume said:
Fascism. Storm troopers. And genocide. Militarism, warfare.
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zymurgy said:
derp derp

  • Carl J. Friedrich — Harvard political scientist and former president of the American Political Science Association. In Totalitarian Dictatorship and Autocracy, Friedrich and Brzezinski identified six characteristics of totalitarian systems, including one-party dictatorship, coercive state power, and a centrally directed economy. Their model explicitly included the Soviet communist system.
  • Zbigniew Brzezinski — political scientist and longtime Columbia professor. He coauthored that same work and spent much of his academic career studying Soviet communism and the political structure of the Communist bloc.
  • James C. Scott — Yale political scientist. Seeing Like a State is essentially a lengthy critique of centralized social engineering. His cases include Soviet collectivization, Mao’s Great Leap Forward, and compulsory collectivist programs, and he specifically identifies authoritarian state power and weak civil society as ingredients in these disasters.
  • R. J. Rummel — professor of political science at the University of Hawaii. His research contrasted liberal democracy with totalitarian regimes and argued that concentrated, unchecked state power was strongly associated with repression and mass killing. Communist governments were central cases in his work.
  • Juan Linz — one of the major scholars of authoritarianism and totalitarianism. His classic regime typology explicitly treated Communist totalitarian systems as a distinct form of nondemocratic government.
  • Giovanni Sartori — major comparative political scientist who defended the usefulness of the concept of totalitarianism against scholars who wanted to discard it, including its application to Communist regimes.
  • Seymour Martin Lipset — Harvard/Stanford political scientist and sociologist. He famously wrote about working-class authoritarianism, directly rejecting the idea that authoritarianism was exclusively a phenomenon of the political right.
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Citation? None of these say that Hitler was a leftist, or that he was not on the Right.

Still cant find anyone who agrees?>
 
martin said:
Lenin not so much but other revolutionaries did adopt ruthless authoritarian tactics, worst of all Stalin who Lenin had wanted kicked out of the party but then Lenin got sick and died and that was that. Communism is branded Leftist for its economic ideological framework which in practice became mostly a myth. Marx himself had been an idealist who believed in political freedom. Whatever the Russians who assumed power under his name believed they put in practice its reverse. The economic theory was Leftist because it featured spreading national wealth. As a working political ideology it became an abomination as recognized by Stalin's immediate successors.
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There are authoritarians on the left, they are just not Hitler.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
They are wrong. AI is a parrot.
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At this point in time AI is not as infallible as many here think, but above, in a sophomoric way, it is correct, Hitler leaned right, his rise to fame was demonizing and scrapping goating socialists in a similar fashion to today’s right as the threat to civilization
 
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